NaNiwa leaves Property

On September 23 2015 06:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I don't know what's next for NaNi. I'm not sure he'll enjoy LotV very much.

On September 23 2015 07:39 Muffloe wrote:
Naniwa just can't find peace. Is he just going to stream now? He is so secretive lately, back in the day he would blog/tweet about this things

On September 23 2015 07:51 Shellshock wrote:
Liquid should pick up Naniwa

On September 23 2015 07:51 Shellshock wrote:
Liquid should pick up Naniwa

On September 23 2015 07:54 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Don't know if anyone has posted this before but being a sub and mod in his chat I watched his stream quite regularly and he said the following:
He did not leave prop but they actually kicked him due to a lack of results. He still wanted to be with them but they ultimately decided that he's not worth having on their roster anymore with him not qualifying for WCS season 3.

On September 23 2015 08:43 Larkin wrote:
always found it funny how major leaves just as many teams as naniwa yet major is universally loved and naniwa is pretty universally hated

On September 23 2015 08:43 Larkin wrote:
always found it funny how major leaves just as many teams as naniwa yet major is universally loved and naniwa is pretty universally hated

I don't even know if he's still on the list for DH Stockholm

On September 23 2015 06:17 x0x0 wrote:
Well it was expected somehow .It's well known that Naniwa character is meh...and he has a weak mentality so any real team that signs him will not keep him for long cause of these 2 missing attributes. Still he is so marketable...damn it!!
I think he should stick to just solo streaming and trash talk all other foreigners and leave the pro gaming to professionals that actually do really try hard to improve them selves and be better.
He is not the beast that he used to be, because of his lack of professional mindset and clear focus on what to do to get better. Unfortunately he is miles behind a top pro gamer at the moment. I honestly think that he doesn't have what it takes to comeback to that mind blowing form he was a while ago.
Too bad for his skills and game know how...I put him next to IdrA as an example on how not to do when you wanna stay on top of your game!!!!!
PS. I truly was a Nani fan!!!

On September 23 2015 09:52 Durenas wrote:
I don't wish bad on anyone, but I feel like SC2 doesn't need the kind of drama that NaNiwaSC2 sometimes brings to the table. That said, he hasn't been very bad lately, but then it seems like he hasn't accomplished much either. So, kind of a mixed bag, eh.

On September 23 2015 07:54 ShambhalaWar wrote:
I for one have grown to appreciate Naniwa.

The starcraft scene is so much more enjoyable with Naniwa, mean this sincerely. I hope you find another team or keep streaming/playing in events.


Retirement would be a Nani-waste.

On September 23 2015 11:23 SC2Towelie wrote:
I didn't even know he was on a team up until a few weeks ago. They sure didn't do a very good job advertising him.

On September 23 2015 13:30 Dumbledore wrote:
I watch Naniwa's stream almost everyday he streams for full sessions. He stated on his stream that prOperty treated him like shit. They did not want to support him at all / take him to any events. Not even Dreamhack which is in the same country as he lives. So basically prOperty gets free advertisement from Naniwa but Naniwa didn't get anything in return. PrOperty sucks ass imo

On September 23 2015 11:14 DuckloadBlackra wrote:


Not sure why you care when there isn't much drama in the scene in the first place and Naniwa drama happens pretty infrequently.

Well it was expected somehow .It's well known that Naniwa character is meh...and he has a weak mentality so any real team that signs him will not keep him for long cause of these 2 missing attributes. Still he is so marketable...damn it!!
I think he should stick to just solo streaming and trash talk all other foreigners and leave the pro gaming to professionals that actually do really try hard to improve them selves and be better.
He is not the beast that he used to be, because of his lack of professional mindset and clear focus on what to do to get better. Unfortunately he is miles behind a top pro gamer at the moment. I honestly think that he doesn't have what it takes to comeback to that mind blowing form he was a while ago.
Too bad for his skills and game know how...I put him next to IdrA as an example on how not to do when you wanna stay on top of your game!!!!!
PS. I truly was a Nani fan!!!

On September 23 2015 09:38 TRaFFiC wrote:

How do you unfan yourself from someone? Makes no sense.

Saying Nani doesn't work as hard as other foreign pros is just wrong. Whenever I watch his stream (which is pretty often) he always has more wins/games than any other pro. He has like 600 wins on his main account a couple months into the season. If you look at the ladder now, he has more wins than anybody in the top 10.

I wouldn't read too much into this. Property probably just downsizing their roster. Nani is one of those guys with a lot of talent. I expect him to do very well in Legacy.

On September 23 2015 16:58 Coffeee wrote:


Its not that he doesnt know how to work hard for being a professional. I think his passion is kind of in an unstable situation.
And when you're not absolutely passionate about the game, you simply play worse and dont improve too much, doesnt matter if you train a lot or not. Imagine how it is to have played this game every day so many uncountable times already and you have to keep doing the same again and again. I believe its so hard to keep up the passion as a pro in starcraft (other games are easier for your body, make you less tired, and have more flexibility in it, easier to keep up the passion IMO) and i dont blame any professional who just finally retires due to not enjoying this profession anymore.
although i dont think thats the end of naniwa. he might keep streaming, maybe search another team. but hes not going to get back to the top like 2 years ago again

On September 23 2015 20:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I didn't even know he was on Team Property.

I didn't even know there was a team named Property.

Anyways, I hope he grinds hard for LotV and a big team picks him up, so he can come back into the limelight and win more tournaments

On September 23 2015 19:46 x0x0 wrote:

Yes you can unfan yourself so easy....when the one you "follow" and admire has become extremely arogant at a mediocre level of gameplay.Don't confuse ladder grinding with actual results in a tournamnet.I'm not saying that he is bad or something,just that he doesn't prove that he is good when it matters.Combine this with his "stinky" attitude and you have a recipe for "unfaning".
There are so many examples of pro gamers that are close to Naniwa's level (SC2 skillz and stuff) , but who managed to keep their fans with their profi attitude. (Snute,Huk,MC...etc.....i won't put Flash here... )
Team Property has made the right decision if the rumors are true.Since he joined them I didn't see him compete on any tournament.Every emplyer will judge you by your attitude and your results.Naniwa has 0 on both of them , today!!

On September 23 2015 21:33 brickrd wrote:
another naniwa thread where naniwa fans defend his horrible behavior by saying he's good at starcraft

things we've learned: naniwa is an asshole, naniwa is good at starcraft, some people think one of those things justify the other

On September 23 2015 07:08 RevTiberius wrote:
Good riddance. This is a good day for esports, with any luck he'll retire altogether. Whatever talent this guy may have had has always been overshadowed by his immature attitude.

On September 23 2015 22:39 Penev wrote:

? I don't see a lot of anything in this thread really

Like Boxerfred said, not enough drama. Ded gaem?

On September 23 2015 07:54 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Don't know if anyone has posted this before but being a sub and mod in his chat I watched his stream quite regularly and he said the following:
He did not leave prop but they actually kicked him due to a lack of results. He still wanted to be with them but they ultimately decided that he's not worth having on their roster anymore with him not qualifying for WCS season 3.

On September 23 2015 08:12 Coypirus wrote:
Liquid pick up Naniwa Please!!! He is no longer as bm as he was in the past and he even ALL KILLED YOU!!!

On September 24 2015 00:50 Dumbledore wrote:
Tbh, if it would have been Naniwas fault they would have written about it the anouncement. We got nothing, just a tweet from them looking like assholes. prOperty is at fault here, disgusting team and have always been.

On September 23 2015 07:08 RevTiberius wrote:
Good riddance. This is a good day for esports, with any luck he'll retire altogether. Whatever talent this guy may have had has always been overshadowed by his immature attitude.

On September 24 2015 06:13 neptunusfisk wrote:


look at mister cool hating on the internet

naniwa is great you are just jealous

On September 24 2015 08:13 JoeCool wrote:
Naniwa just announced that he will not attend DH. Mainly because of the amount of Koreans and the things that are (not) going on with his team right now.

On September 24 2015 05:55 RouaF wrote:
Naniwa might join Liquid. On the 1st of april though.

On September 23 2015 21:11 TRaFFiC wrote:

When did Nani "become" arrogant? It seems to me he's always had the same personality. This seems to be a case of you following him when his results were good. I wouldn't call that being a fan. Real fans stick it out when the going gets rough.

Being top 10 on the most competitive ladder outside Korea isn't grinding. It's talent. Grinding is playing a lot of games.

Nani gets higher stream numbers than any of the players you listed which is a big indicator he hasn't lost his fans as you say.

Your claims that Nani doesn't " prepare, plan,learn,improve,listen, and watch" are totally ludicrous and border on slander. I can guarantee you he does all of those things since he often streams it. What are your qualifications anyway? Nani has been a professional player for long enough to know what he needs to improve better than some random. Would you tell Lebron James how to train? Hell no.

I will say I wish he would compete more. It's almost seems like he's scared of the booth. But for all we know, as said in this thread, maybe his team WASN'T WILLING to send him.

On September 23 2015 06:44 Yonnua wrote:
Here's hoping he ends up where he really belongs; EG. They aren't as big a name as they used to be and it would be great to see another big personality on their team.

On September 24 2015 16:42 sd_andeh wrote:


Source?

On September 24 2015 06:18 -Kyo- wrote:
Makes me sad when I read a TL thread like this and all I see are random new posters stating random b.s. or older posters stating even crazier, drama filled garbage
da quality of da posts. . . where did u go ;~;?

On September 24 2015 23:13 Tiaraju9 wrote:
I was watching he streaming LotV for the first time yesterday.

He was losing and saying how the game was bad and worse than HotS. He even made the chat sub mode only during some losing streak. Then he started to win, and the PvZ matchup suddenly became "very fun to play". The point is: this guy can't handle losses. He can't even think, or use his brain, after a loss.

It's sad and funny at the same time.

On September 25 2015 14:18 DooMDash wrote:
I don't understand all the hate for him, I think he's great, and it's entertaining to have someone like him around. Plus say what you want about his personality he's one of the best foreigners of all time, and for that reason alone you should want him back in LotV.

On September 23 2015 21:11 TRaFFiC wrote:

When did Nani "become" arrogant? It seems to me he's always had the same personality. This seems to be a case of you following him when his results were good. I wouldn't call that being a fan. Real fans stick it out when the going gets rough.

Being top 10 on the most competitive ladder outside Korea isn't grinding. It's talent. Grinding is playing a lot of games.

Nani gets higher stream numbers than any of the players you listed which is a big indicator he hasn't lost his fans as you say.

Your claims that Nani doesn't " prepare, plan,learn,improve,listen, and watch" are totally ludicrous and border on slander. I can guarantee you he does all of those things since he often streams it. What are your qualifications anyway? Nani has been a professional player for long enough to know what he needs to improve better than some random. Would you tell Lebron James how to train? Hell no.

I will say I wish he would compete more. It's almost seems like he's scared of the booth. But for all we know, as said in this thread, maybe his team WASN'T WILLING to send him.

On September 26 2015 07:57 Radovan wrote:


Why am I not surprised that you are a naniwa fanboy...lol, so fitting