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On September 15 2015 00:20 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 20:48 jmihere wrote:On September 14 2015 18:29 Silvanel wrote:
Seems like i am in minority since i didnt liked that cinematic. I think I am suffering from Starcraft fatigue and have long since given up on the storyline making any sense or having any coherent plot. It's like halfway through WoL, the writers just decided, hey, wouldn't it be better call if we complicate this subplot, then throw in this additional tidbit etc. etc. just to drag out the storyline but basically messes up things that was established in SC1 and BW. The weak plot in HotS only serves to aggravate the situation (don't get me started on why Kerrigan can now fly but only at the end of HotS). Add to that, the long delay between each release IMHO, worsen matters and only serves to promote and highlight how dragged out this game and its storyline is becoming.. Yea, I realized pretty early on in WoL that the SCii story was complete cheesy, childish, nonsensical, garbage, compared to sc1 or any older blizzard games. Blizzard has no writing talent left apparently. Look no further than sc2, d3, and every wow expansion past Wrath (which still used wc3 story basically). It's just something we must accept.
I don't think it's correct to say that they don't have any writing talent. I've come to the realisation that Blizzard chose very deliberately to make the plot and characters as dull and clichéd as possible, for what reason I'm not entirely sure. As a big fan of interesting characters and especially plot I find this decision very disappointing.
As for the cinematic, well I haven't liked "that Blizzard look" art style (or maybe aesthetic is the right word) they've had since switching to 3D engines ages ago. Outside the art style though it is a decent cinematic I suppose.
One thing Blizzard does really well though is gameplay, which is a good thing as that's what is most important in its games. The mission design in WoL was pretty interesting and I hope that will be repeated Legacy.
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Shop where I preordered LotV have said this release date for 2 months already. Is it pure luck or did they knew it already?
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On September 14 2015 02:59 CakeSauc3 wrote:
My biggest question is, knowing the impending doom that's on its way via Amon and what not, why are the Protoss focused on retaking Aiur? Is it simply out of the pride of their people, wanting to retake their home world at all costs? Or is there a purpose to it, something there that will help them in their fight to save the universe?
Theoretically, the fancy building where they make dragoons is on Auir. Maybe other fun toys?
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On September 14 2015 20:48 jmihere wrote:
I think I am suffering from Starcraft fatigue and have long since given up on the storyline making any sense or having any coherent plot. It's like halfway through WoL, the writers just decided, hey, wouldn't it be better call if we complicate this subplot, then throw in this additional tidbit etc. etc
i didn't like how i spent all of WoL making Kerrigan human again and then she goes back to being Zerg in like 15 minutes and 22 seconds inside HotS.
as far as video game writing and comic book movie writing goes...
when the writing, plot, and characters ends up being a "community effort" you get a hodge podge of inconherent twists and turns. Rather than , just letting 1 genius guy or girl take control of the universe and make something brilliant. aka Richard Donner/Mario Puzo with Superman1 and 2 OR Chris Nolan in Batman Begins and Dark Knight OR etc etc.
i'm sure Richard Donner pissed off a small minority of hardcore superman fans..
i'm sure Chris Nolan pissed off a small minority of hardcore batman fans..
the end result was really cool and if some hardcore superman fans think Chris Reeve was too skinny to be superman or Batman Begins was too dark and depressing.. .well too bad for them... the end result is worth getting a few vocal hardcores angry.
this is the track Blizzard needed to go. they are great at making games and mediocre at everything else. they needed to put the universe into the hands of a creative genius like Mario Puzo or Chris Nolan and just step aside and let them do their thing.
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Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it!
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On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it!
he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand so stop trying to be. just give a nice simple plot, theme and characters... and let the game play and campaign do the rest.
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On September 15 2015 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it! he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand.
Not the example I would have used for an intelligent writer but I see what you mean.
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On September 15 2015 02:24 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it! he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand. Not the example I would have used for an intelligent writer but I see what you mean.
John Galt is very abstract and Atlas is aimed at high brow intellectuals... people at right wing political events like to say they've read the book just to sound smart...
me? i just wanna blow stuff up.... and i just want a plot, theme and characters that facilitates that 
save the dominique francon/howard roark abstract romance for those 1000 page intellectual novels Blizz... if raynor and kerrigan get married at the end of this thing .. its just LOL.
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"Oh Jim, I've always loved you, mostly for how great your hairstyle has always been"
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I never thought a SC2 cinema would give me goosebump, but that power overwhelming quote did.
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On September 14 2015 20:43 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 18:37 NeThZOR wrote:On September 14 2015 17:39 Maxilicious wrote:
The cinematic is so good that it makes me want to switch to Protoss. Considering that I am already Protoss, I am glad you feel that way On September 14 2015 18:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:On September 14 2015 18:13 Ragnarork wrote:On September 14 2015 18:12 rotta wrote:On September 14 2015 17:54 Ragnarork wrote:
Indeed, it's harder to force a completely superfluous love story into the Protoss race storyline. A triangle with Selendis or Lasarra would've been the dream. Pls no  this needs to happen, oh the salt mines. Romance would be a great addition to the Protoss storyline I'm sobbing now.
Don't be like that. Protoss is love, Protoss is life. <3
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Bisutopia19214 Posts
On September 15 2015 02:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:24 Djzapz wrote:On September 15 2015 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it! he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand. Not the example I would have used for an intelligent writer but I see what you mean. John Galt is very abstract and Atlas is aimed at high brow intellectuals... people at right wing political events like to say they've read the book just to sound smart... me? i just wanna blow stuff up.... and i just want a plot, theme and characters that facilitates that save the dominique francon/howard roark abstract romance for those 1000 page intellectual novels Blizz... if raynor and kerrigan get married at the end of this thing .. its just LOL.
Rofl. There is not a single political affiliation in Atlas Shrugged and it actually appeals to the average person. It's written descriptively, but that's not a wall the average person can't get through. Have you read the book, because I have. In fact, I read every word out loud with my fiance. I have no party affiliation and my motivation to reading the book was exactly because my liberal friends who also pretended to have read it told me if was unholy garbage. Turns out it was pretty damn good. I'm sorry if the perception of the book intimidates you. I won't say it's an easy read, but any adult can get through it.
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On September 14 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:There's going to be so many Artanis nicknames now
Arty Mctanis?
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On September 15 2015 03:00 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:There's going to be so many Artanis nicknames now Arty Mctanis?
Blizzard should include a tasteless character called Artosis in there somewhere.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 14 2015 23:07 NukeD wrote:
The trailer is as uninspired as the game itself.
I don't know if I would call the trailer uninspired. I would agree that it's full of cheeky nods to multiplayer, but I think it shows remarkable breadth for what could essentially have been just a 3-minute fighting scene. The probe is a cute addition, and the conveying of hopelessness among the Protoss feels fairly well-done for a cinematic. The graphics are obviously great, which naturally helps, but I don't think it's a drop-off from expectations.
What makes you feel that way?
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I think the trailer was great, but could've been significantly improved by colossus legs showing up in the background as the zealots are being spawned in, and a large shadow suggesting the arrival of a carrier or something like that. The HOTS trailer IMO was amazing because omg the scope .
Surely you don't retake Aiur with 20 zealots and a proxy pylon.
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The cinematic is so good that I almost feel like playing the LOTV campaign even though I don't like singleplayer games and found the HOTS campaign really boring.
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am I the only one that thinks that the probe and the pylon were the most badass things in this video?
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On September 15 2015 02:56 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:24 Djzapz wrote:On September 15 2015 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it! he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand. Not the example I would have used for an intelligent writer but I see what you mean. John Galt is very abstract and Atlas is aimed at high brow intellectuals... people at right wing political events like to say they've read the book just to sound smart... me? i just wanna blow stuff up.... and i just want a plot, theme and characters that facilitates that save the dominique francon/howard roark abstract romance for those 1000 page intellectual novels Blizz... if raynor and kerrigan get married at the end of this thing .. its just LOL. Rofl. There is not a single political affiliation in Atlas Shrugged and it actually appeals to the average person. It's written descriptively, but that's not a wall the average person can't get through. Have you read the book, because I have. In fact, I read every word out loud with my fiance. I have no party affiliation and my motivation to reading the book was exactly because my liberal friends who also pretended to have read it told me if was unholy garbage. Turns out it was pretty damn good. I'm sorry if the perception of the book intimidates you. I won't say it's an easy read, but any adult can get through it.
its the 2nd best novel i've ever read... but i'm not a big non-fiction guy... so the fact that i think a work of fiction is great.. prolly doesn't mean much.
if u wanna quiz me on it via PM.. go for it.
i'm friends with the Blumenthals and Ridpaths ...
i don't know if that scores me any objectivism points or not.
when i've gone to PC party events i hear people claiming they've read it.. and once i talk to them for more than 2 minutes its clear they have not read it... i'm going to another PC thingie this weekend.. i'll take down some names for you.
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Bisutopia19214 Posts
On September 15 2015 03:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:56 BisuDagger wrote:On September 15 2015 02:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:24 Djzapz wrote:On September 15 2015 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 15 2015 02:21 Djzapz wrote:
Amon never seemed like a threat to me, which is part of what makes him such a boring villain. Like, right now he's about to go on a rampage, and it just so happens that all 3 races are now at least somewhat ready to cooperate. It's so standard it hurts, and at the end of it all we'll all be like "one for all, all for one!". There isn't even any buildup to it! he is just too abstract. now abstract and mysterious may work for some super intellectual 1000 page novel like Atlas Shrugged. i got some bad news for the guys working at Blizzard.... none of these guys is the next Ayn Rand. Not the example I would have used for an intelligent writer but I see what you mean. John Galt is very abstract and Atlas is aimed at high brow intellectuals... people at right wing political events like to say they've read the book just to sound smart... me? i just wanna blow stuff up.... and i just want a plot, theme and characters that facilitates that save the dominique francon/howard roark abstract romance for those 1000 page intellectual novels Blizz... if raynor and kerrigan get married at the end of this thing .. its just LOL. Rofl. There is not a single political affiliation in Atlas Shrugged and it actually appeals to the average person. It's written descriptively, but that's not a wall the average person can't get through. Have you read the book, because I have. In fact, I read every word out loud with my fiance. I have no party affiliation and my motivation to reading the book was exactly because my liberal friends who also pretended to have read it told me if was unholy garbage. Turns out it was pretty damn good. I'm sorry if the perception of the book intimidates you. I won't say it's an easy read, but any adult can get through it. its the 2nd best novel i've ever read... but i'm not a big non-fiction guy... so the fact that i think a work of fiction is great.. prolly doesn't mean much. if u wanna quiz me on it via PM.. go for it. i'm friends with the Blumenthals and Ridpaths ... i don't know if that scores me any objectivism points or not. when i've gone to PC party events i hear people claiming they've read it.. and once i talk to them for more than 2 minutes its clear they have not read it... i'm going to another PC thingie this weekend.. i'll take down some names for you.
I understand. I have the same frustration from people claiming they read the book. I just have had it from both party lines. It's a great book for anyone who goes into it without an agenda or certain expectation.
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