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[SPL'15] Round 3 Week 2 Lineups

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xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
May 15 2015 08:00 GMT
#1
(Wiki)2015 Proleague/Round 3/Round Robin
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Monday, May 18 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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Samsung Galaxy KHAN
vs MVP
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(Z)Solar < Deadwing LE > (T)GuMiho
(T)Reality < Echo LE > (P)YongHwa
(P)Dear < Expedition Lost > (Z)Losira
(T)BrAvO < Coda LE > (T)MarineKing

Ace:
Cactus Valley LE

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (Z)Solar             (T)GuMiho           
Record 1-9 (53rd) 0-0
Last 10 llllllwlll ----------
ZvT 0-1 (51st) 0-0
Last 5 ----l -----
Deadwing LE 0-1 (26th) 0-0
(ZvT 1-1)
                     (T)Reality           (P)YongHwa          
Record 2-2 (36th) 7-4 (16th)
Last 10 ------wwll wwwwlwllwl
TvP 0-1 (52nd) 2-0 (15th)
Last 5 ----l ---ww
Echo LE 0-0 0-0
(TvP 1-1)
                     (P)Dear              (Z)Losira           
Record 7-7 (17th) 9-6 (10th)
Last 10 llwlwwwlll wlwwllwwll
PvZ 2-2 (16th) 1-1 (27th)
Last 5 -wllw ---wl
Expedition Lost 0-0 0-1 (14th)
(PvZ 1-2)
                     (T)BrAvO             (T)MarineKing       
Record 4-3 (22nd) 3-11 (33rd)
Last 10 ---wwlwlwl llwllwllll
TvT 3-1 (12th) 0-6 (67th)
Last 5 -wwlw lllll
Coda LE 0-0 0-0
(TvT x0)
Cactus Valley LE                                              
Most played (T)BrAvO (0-1)
Best player (T)BrAvO (0-1)


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SK Telecom T1
vs CJ Entus
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(P)Classic < Vaani Research Station > (T)Bbyong
(T)Dream < Cactus Valley LE > (Z)ByuL
(Z)Dark < Echo LE > (P)herO
(Z)soO < Expedition Lost > (Z)RagnaroK

Ace:
Coda LE

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (P)Classic           (T)Bbyong           
Record 7-2 (15th) 8-7 (14th)
Last 10 -wlwwwwlww wllwlwlwlw
PvT 2-0 (15th) 2-2 (19th)
Last 5 ---ww -llww
Vaani Research St... 1-0 (3rd) 1-0 (3rd)
(PvT 4-3)
                     (T)Dream             (Z)ByuL             
Record 4-4 (23rd) 14-6 (5th)
Last 10 --wwllwwll lwwwwlwwww
TvZ 2-0 (13th) 6-4 (5th)
Last 5 ---ww wwlww
Cactus Valley LE 0-0 0-0
(TvZ 0-0)
                     (Z)Dark              (P)herO             
Record 13-6 (6th) 14-5 (4th)
Last 10 wwwlwlwwlw wwwwwwlwlw
ZvP 4-3 (7th) 2-2 (17th)
Last 5 wwwll -wlwl
Echo LE 0-0 0-0
(ZvP 0-0)
                     (Z)soO               (Z)RagnaroK         
Record 8-4 (12th) 0-0
Last 10 wwlllwwwww ----------
ZvZ 4-0 (4th) 0-0
Last 5 -wwww -----
Expedition Lost 2-0 (4th) 0-0
(ZvZ x8) Best map (+2)
Coda LE                                                       
Most played (P)Classic (1-0) (T)Bbyong (1-0)
Best player (P)Classic (1-0) (T)Bbyong (1-0)


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Tuesday, May 19 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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Jin Air Green Wings
vs SBENU
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(Z)Rogue < Expedition Lost > (Z)DongRaeGu
(T)Maru < Deadwing LE > (P)MyuNgSiK
(T)Cure < Coda LE > (T)MMA
(P)sOs < Echo LE > (T)Bomber

Ace:
Vaani Research Station

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (Z)Rogue             (Z)DongRaeGu        
Record 15-5 (1st) 1-0 (44th)
Last 10 wwwwwwwwlw ---------w
ZvZ 4-4 (8th) 0-0
Last 5 lwwlw -----
Expedition Lost 4-0 (1st) 0-0
(ZvZ x8) Best map (+4)
                     (T)Maru              (P)MyuNgSiK         
Record 15-6 (2nd) 6-8 (19th)
Last 10 wwwwwwwlww lwwllllwww
TvP 8-1 (1st) 1-3 (37th)
Last 5 wwwww -lllw
Deadwing LE 1-0 (13th) 2-3 (11th)
(TvP 9-4) Best map (-1)
Most played map (5)
                     (T)Cure              (T)MMA              
Record 10-7 (8th) 0-0
Last 10 wlwlwlwwll ----------
TvT 2-2 (18th) 0-0
Last 5 -wlwl -----
Coda LE 0-0 0-0
(TvT x0)
                     (P)sOs               (T)Bomber           
Record 10-10 (9th) 2-1 (34th)
Last 10 lwlwwwwwll -------lww
PvT 4-1 (8th) 0-0
Last 5 wlwww -----
Echo LE 0-0 0-0
(PvT 1-1)
Vaani Research Station                                        
Most played (P)Trap (1-2)
Best player (T)Maru (2-0)


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KT Rolster
vs Prime
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(T)TY < Expedition Lost > (T)YoDa
(T)Flash < Deadwing LE > (P)MacSed
(P)Zest < Coda LE > (P)Creator
(Z)Life < Echo LE > (T)KeeN

Ace:
Vaani Research Station

+ Show Spoiler [2015 Proleague Record] +
                     (T)TY                (T)YoDa             
Record 3-5 (30th) 5-10 (21st)
Last 10 --lwllwlwl lwwwllllll
TvT 0-2 (63rd) 4-1 (8th)
Last 5 ---ll wwwwl
Expedition Lost 0-0 0-1 (14th)
(TvT x0)
                     (T)Flash             (P)MacSed           
Record 5-9 (20th) 0-0
Last 10 wllwwlwllw ----------
TvP 2-3 (21st) 0-0
Last 5 lwlwl -----
Deadwing LE 2-1 (6th) 0-0
(TvP 9-4) Best map (+1)
Most played map (3)
                     (P)Zest              (P)Creator          
Record 11-10 (7th) 4-8 (26th)
Last 10 llwlwwwlwl wwwwllllll
PvP 6-5 (3rd) 3-0 (12th)
Last 5 lwwww --www
Coda LE 0-0 0-0
(PvP x0)
                     (Z)Life              (T)KeeN             
Record 9-8 (11th) 0-2 (60th)
Last 10 wllwlwwwll --------ll
ZvT 5-3 (6th) 0-0
Last 5 wlwwl -----
Echo LE 0-0 0-0
(ZvT 0-0)
Vaani Research Station                                        
Most played (P)Stats (2-0) (P)Zoun (1-0)
(T)Flash (1-1) (Z)BBoongBBoong (0-1)
(P)MyuNgSiK (1-1)
(T)YoDa (0-1)
Best player (P)Stats (2-0) (P)Zoun (1-0)


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Source: KeSPA



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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 15 2015 08:03 GMT
#2
Oh wow Prime is the deadest. TY vs YoDa, Flash vs MacSed, Zest vs Creator, Life vs KeeN, RIP.

SBENU vs Jin Air is super hype and oh my CJ vs SKT... Dream vs ByuL :O. Looking like a great week.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
May 15 2015 08:08 GMT
#3
I made mistakes in my FPL sigh
$O$ | soO
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 08:11:48
May 15 2015 08:10 GMT
#4
KT: Same lineu....Wait we're playing PRIME? Ahhh Fuck it TY can play then

I would laugh if Macsed Protosses Flash though

Look at Style. Start. SBENU. Let's party like it's 2011
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
May 15 2015 08:12 GMT
#5
So I've just realised they've got the date as Monday and Tuesday the 16th and 17th...

Did I miss something about it being on the weekend or did they mean 18th/19th?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 15 2015 08:14 GMT
#6
My FPL is fucked. Also Prime 3-1 you heard it here first.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 15 2015 08:14 GMT
#7
I hope KT's coach doesn't just keep using Flash on Vaani and Deadwing over and over and over again like the last round. Just asking to be sniped.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
May 15 2015 08:15 GMT
#8
Jin Air vs SBENU and SKT vs CJ Entus. :O sick lineup
Vasacast always in my <3
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
May 15 2015 08:24 GMT
#9
Wow, DRG can beat Rogue, MMA can beat Cure and Bomber can beat sOs. If everything goes right for SBENU, they might be able to beat Jinair. The only player who can't beat the Jinair player is Myungsik. Let's face it, he is way way worse than Maru.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
May 15 2015 08:26 GMT
#10
MMA.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 15 2015 08:29 GMT
#11
On May 15 2015 17:14 Cricketer12 wrote:
My FPL is fucked. Also Prime 3-1 you heard it here first.

Mine possibly too. If MMA and Reality win. Stats not playing doesn't help
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 15 2015 08:46 GMT
#12
rofl, Gumi vs Solar on Deadwing. Good thing I got Gumi ahead of time and put Solar on anti.

CJ vs SKT looks insane. ByuL vs Dream is going to be good.

TY's back?! :O
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
May 15 2015 08:53 GMT
#13
My FPL is mostly SKT and SBENU ;_;. Serves me right for being too lazy to check the team matchups for the first few weeks though.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 08:59 GMT
#14
Infinitely hyped! Quick thoughts:

Creator stays on the anti. And it is the only position I'm sure in. Everything else... Oh, boy...
If GuMiho can show the level of DH:Tours it would be great!
Solar -> MyuNgSiK on anti?
I'm staying on SBENU hype train.
Classic has done enough... Maybe, Classic -> Zest? Seems a good tactical choice, but in the long run?
Insert wise words here
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 15 2015 09:19 GMT
#15
GUMIGOD :D

Still no jjakji, guess SBENU doesn't want to win everything at once!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
May 15 2015 09:21 GMT
#16
On May 15 2015 17:24 swag_bro wrote:
Wow, DRG can beat Rogue, MMA can beat Cure and Bomber can beat sOs. If everything goes right for SBENU, they might be able to beat Jinair. The only player who can't beat the Jinair player is Myungsik. Let's face it, he is way way worse than Maru.


I don't think DRG can beat Rogue, and sOs' playstyle is counter to bomber's playstyle.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
May 15 2015 09:22 GMT
#17
i have to root against gumiho so MVP loses :/
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 09:26:10
May 15 2015 09:25 GMT
#18
I hoped for a non TvP matchup for Maru... but... well... not gonna happen :-/
I still think vs Zerg/Terran he's not even near as unbeatable as against Toss,
HooHooH
Profile Joined January 2015
165 Posts
May 15 2015 09:31 GMT
#19
Happy that TY gets to play. He looked pretty good earlier this week despite not getting out of his group
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3518 Posts
May 15 2015 09:34 GMT
#20
CJ vs SKT looks like the match of the season! Great match ups! Prime is quite unlucky in the draw though
Horang2 fan
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
May 15 2015 09:36 GMT
#21
I wan more of STATS 555555555555555555 555555555555555555 55555555555555555
I rather see more Stats than Zest~~~~ Not that I feel Zest is weaker than Stats. Just that I have the ..

Feelings, to see him perform well to see him perform more. Somehow wan the whole world to see him play, see him win . that kind of feeling.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 15 2015 09:46 GMT
#22
Really have to think about my FPL this week, and I really fucked up by doing my ritual innovation captain t_t :
SKT vs CJ is so so so sick the best lineups from both teams, they hype is real.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 15 2015 09:53 GMT
#23
Flash vs Macsed, LOL
Too bad Commander KeeN won't get to teach Life a thing or two
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
May 15 2015 09:54 GMT
#24
GO SBENU!
The Bomber boy
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
May 15 2015 09:57 GMT
#25
That MVP lineup is Super strong!

I think Prime got some good matchups. If Yoda can channel his TvT power again...and Creator could beat Zest again...and then OBVIOUSLY KT will send out Zest again for the Ace...and the Creator beats him agaim....right???
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 10:09 GMT
#26
I think CJ can do it. It's gonna be tough, but it's doable. I'm talking about the 3-0 ofc.
Other than that RIP my FPL.
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Johan-ae
Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden58 Posts
May 15 2015 10:17 GMT
#27
This might be wrong,. Curious is playing instead of MMA according to proleagues facebook page
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
May 15 2015 10:32 GMT
#28
JIN AIR VS SBENU IT'S REAL HOLDING DOWN THE SHIFT KEY
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 15 2015 10:59 GMT
#29
Zest vs Creator rematch. Payback time for Zest?
Flash | Mvp
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 15 2015 11:12 GMT
#30
On May 15 2015 18:21 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 17:24 swag_bro wrote:
Wow, DRG can beat Rogue, MMA can beat Cure and Bomber can beat sOs. If everything goes right for SBENU, they might be able to beat Jinair. The only player who can't beat the Jinair player is Myungsik. Let's face it, he is way way worse than Maru.


I don't think DRG can beat Rogue, and sOs' playstyle is counter to bomber's playstyle.

Normally I agree but you just got swag_bro'd
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 11:15 GMT
#31
On May 15 2015 20:12 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 18:21 swissman777 wrote:
On May 15 2015 17:24 swag_bro wrote:
Wow, DRG can beat Rogue, MMA can beat Cure and Bomber can beat sOs. If everything goes right for SBENU, they might be able to beat Jinair. The only player who can't beat the Jinair player is Myungsik. Let's face it, he is way way worse than Maru.


I don't think DRG can beat Rogue, and sOs' playstyle is counter to bomber's playstyle.

Normally I agree but you just got swag_bro'd

You'd agree that DRG can't beat Rogue, and you call yourself a fan?
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JabuSeika
Profile Joined February 2014
United States607 Posts
May 15 2015 11:30 GMT
#32
Pls SBENU gods, all the matches look winnable.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 15 2015 11:41 GMT
#33
Cool to see SKTplaying their in forms player and not slumpo.
Zest fanboy.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 15 2015 11:45 GMT
#34
Can't wait for Choya+GuMiho strats
Liquipedia"Expert"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 15 2015 11:47 GMT
#35
On May 15 2015 20:41 sAsImre wrote:
Cool to see SKTplaying their in forms player and not slumpo.

soO's individual league performance makes me question if you're completely correct.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 11:51 GMT
#36
On May 15 2015 20:47 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 20:41 sAsImre wrote:
Cool to see SKTplaying their in forms player and not slumpo.

soO's individual league performance makes me question if you're completely correct.

soO has endured so much things that you cannot tell anymore if he is in form or not. He is soO and that's enough.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 12:17:37
May 15 2015 12:17 GMT
#37
On May 15 2015 19:17 Johan-ae wrote:
This might be wrong,. Curious is playing instead of MMA according to proleagues facebook page

I think it is a mistake, because MMA is written in Korean language and Curious is marked [T]. However official confirmation would be great!
Insert wise words here
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#38
Why is Bomber playing so much now? What has changed?
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#39
On May 15 2015 21:26 plotspot wrote:
Why is Bomber playing so much now? What has changed?

He signed the contract with SBENU + they really needed to booster their line-up
Insert wise words here
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
May 15 2015 12:51 GMT
#40
DRG, MMA, Bomber ?
So 2011/2012
I'm young again !!!!
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
May 15 2015 13:07 GMT
#41
I hope this is a TvP Flash should be able to win, then again he beat Dear not too long ago. So why not. But good to see TY fielded again even if it's against PRIME =|
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Johan-ae
Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden58 Posts
May 15 2015 13:38 GMT
#42
Should I trade MMA for Hero in my anti-team in FPL?
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 13:52 GMT
#43
On May 15 2015 22:38 Johan-ae wrote:
Should I trade MMA for Hero in my anti-team in FPL?

MVP has a real chance to win vs SGK, so HerO can get 1 point. On the other hand, Zest is a much better player than Creator and KT is a much better team than Prime. I doubt Prime will repeat the miracle from round 1. I would say, MMA -> Creator is a much safer bet
Insert wise words here
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 13:55 GMT
#44
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 15 2015 13:59 GMT
#45
Never has been a better time to trade Dark for Life.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
May 15 2015 14:01 GMT
#46
On May 15 2015 17:14 Elentos wrote:
I hope KT's coach doesn't just keep using Flash on Vaani and Deadwing over and over and over again like the last round. Just asking to be sniped.


Depends on a lot of things. For example in last year's Proleague, Flash was like 5-0 or 6-0 on Merry Go Round in the final two rounds. So it can definitely pay off to have a player specialize on one map.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 14:05 GMT
#47
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.
Insert wise words here
zhaogan110
Profile Joined July 2013
China14 Posts
May 15 2015 14:17 GMT
#48
RIP MacSed
つ ◕_◕༽つ THE POWER OF PROTOSS ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ
Feisty
Profile Joined December 2013
Vatican City State35 Posts
May 15 2015 14:23 GMT
#49
I think Sbenu has a great shot if they send it to an ace match and send out Bomber vs Maru. Every match this week looks interesting besides Prime and KT.
Polt why so God
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 15 2015 14:29 GMT
#50
Lotta pressure on Dream in SKT vs. CJ.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 14:29 GMT
#51
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
May 15 2015 14:31 GMT
#52
Everyone from my FPL is playing, heck YEAH !

Only one from anti, lets hope MMA loses.

Otherwise those lineups are quite sick, can't wait for mkp vs bravo , dream vs byul and life vs keen.
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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 14:43:49
May 15 2015 14:41 GMT
#53
On May 15 2015 23:29 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:

Oh, I've misread that. Here are some thoughts.

1. Some say, PvP is a coin flip. Moreover, in Bo1 everything is possible. However you can't compare the level of these two players. On paper Zest should outplay Creator at any day (look at today's herO vs Patience).

2. Flash is vulnerable to early aggression / cheeses. Btw, it was mentioned today by Tastosis several times. Again, if we compare the class of the players...

The bottom line is: on paper, both Zest and Flash should win their matches. If you trade Zest -> Flash, you lose 1 point in trading. So, my idea is to leave Zest on the team.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 15 2015 14:51 GMT
#54
Solar GuMiho, Dear Losira, BrAvO MarineKing, every SKT vs CJ game, every Jin Air vs SBENU game, Zest Creator rematch, so excited!!!
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 14:53 GMT
#55
On May 15 2015 23:41 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 23:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:

Oh, I've misread that. Here are some thoughts.

1. Some say, PvP is a coin flip. Moreover, in Bo1 everything is possible. However you can't compare the level of these two players. On paper Zest should outplay Creator at any day (look at today's herO vs Patience).

2. Flash is vulnerable to early aggression / cheeses. Btw, it was mentioned today by Tastosis several times. Again, if we compare the class of the players...

The bottom line is: on paper, both Zest and Flash should win their matches. If you trade Zest -> Flash, you lose 1 point in trading. So, my idea is to leave Zest on the team.

Fair enough, I think I'll keep Zest
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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 15:00:56
May 15 2015 15:00 GMT
#56
On May 15 2015 23:53 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 23:41 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:

Oh, I've misread that. Here are some thoughts.

1. Some say, PvP is a coin flip. Moreover, in Bo1 everything is possible. However you can't compare the level of these two players. On paper Zest should outplay Creator at any day (look at today's herO vs Patience).

2. Flash is vulnerable to early aggression / cheeses. Btw, it was mentioned today by Tastosis several times. Again, if we compare the class of the players...

The bottom line is: on paper, both Zest and Flash should win their matches. If you trade Zest -> Flash, you lose 1 point in trading. So, my idea is to leave Zest on the team.

Fair enough, I think I'll keep Zest

One more thing. When Zest loses and Flash wins, don't blame me. Leaving Zest (I think I'll trade Classic -> Zest) on the team is a rational decision, but life has very little to do with rationality. Unfortunately.
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Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 15 2015 15:25 GMT
#57
Damn, I was GOING to root for the Chinese players everytime, but my only exceptions were: if they play vs herO; if they play vs Flash... Sorry MacSed..

SKT v CJ is a definite must watch though. This is gonna be a good week of PL
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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1201 Posts
May 15 2015 16:02 GMT
#58
On May 16 2015 00:00 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 23:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:41 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:

Oh, I've misread that. Here are some thoughts.

1. Some say, PvP is a coin flip. Moreover, in Bo1 everything is possible. However you can't compare the level of these two players. On paper Zest should outplay Creator at any day (look at today's herO vs Patience).

2. Flash is vulnerable to early aggression / cheeses. Btw, it was mentioned today by Tastosis several times. Again, if we compare the class of the players...

The bottom line is: on paper, both Zest and Flash should win their matches. If you trade Zest -> Flash, you lose 1 point in trading. So, my idea is to leave Zest on the team.

Fair enough, I think I'll keep Zest

One more thing. When Zest loses and Flash wins, don't blame me. Leaving Zest (I think I'll trade Classic -> Zest) on the team is a rational decision, but life has very little to do with rationality. Unfortunately.


Normally I would totally agree with your reasoning however there is 1 but:
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Zest already lost to Creator twice in PL, the question is: is it a fluke?
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 15 2015 16:06 GMT
#59
Creator outplayed Zest in both of those games.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 15 2015 16:13 GMT
#60
No Stats? KT Rolster WTF this screws up my FPL team plan D:
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 15 2015 16:25 GMT
#61
Creator is gonna beat Zest guys, you should trade Zest away!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
May 15 2015 16:26 GMT
#62
Prime got horrible matchups
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 15 2015 16:28 GMT
#63
the SKT vs CJ match looks really good. lol @ innovation benched
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:39:50
May 15 2015 16:35 GMT
#64
On May 16 2015 01:28 Shellshock wrote:
the SKT vs CJ match looks really good. lol @ innovation benched

Gonna be a stomp if Dream can't take out Byul. I sppose Bbyong Classic has potential as well. Aligulac seems to disagree though it doesn't account for the way classic has been playing.

    (1931) Classic  0-0  Bbyong (2183)     
-------------------------------------------
38.99% 1-0 0-1 61.01%
-------------------------------------------
38.99% 61.01%

Median outcome: Classic 0-1 Bbyong

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 16:36 GMT
#65
On May 16 2015 01:02 egrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 00:00 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:41 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On May 15 2015 23:05 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 15 2015 22:55 OtherWorld wrote:
Do you think Zest is more likely to get Creator'd or Flash to be Chinese Protossed?

I actually think it'll be quick 3-0, maybe 3-1 (Yoda). But I'm pretty sure you can't trade MMA -> MacSed. MMA -> Creator is possible, if current adjusted trade values are correct.

Yeah but my goal was to know if it was riskier to keep Zest or to trade him for FlaSh d:

Oh, I've misread that. Here are some thoughts.

1. Some say, PvP is a coin flip. Moreover, in Bo1 everything is possible. However you can't compare the level of these two players. On paper Zest should outplay Creator at any day (look at today's herO vs Patience).

2. Flash is vulnerable to early aggression / cheeses. Btw, it was mentioned today by Tastosis several times. Again, if we compare the class of the players...

The bottom line is: on paper, both Zest and Flash should win their matches. If you trade Zest -> Flash, you lose 1 point in trading. So, my idea is to leave Zest on the team.

Fair enough, I think I'll keep Zest

One more thing. When Zest loses and Flash wins, don't blame me. Leaving Zest (I think I'll trade Classic -> Zest) on the team is a rational decision, but life has very little to do with rationality. Unfortunately.


Normally I would totally agree with your reasoning however there is 1 but:
http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=2015-01-01&before=&event=Proleague 2015&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Zest already lost to Creator twice in PL, the question is: is it a fluke?

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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 15 2015 16:38 GMT
#66
On May 16 2015 01:25 Silvana wrote:
Creator is gonna beat Zest guys, you should trade Zest away!

Strange words from a girl who has KT Rolster icon in the signature...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 16:42 GMT
#67
On May 16 2015 01:38 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 01:25 Silvana wrote:
Creator is gonna beat Zest guys, you should trade Zest away!

Strange words from a girl who has KT Rolster icon in the signature...

Because she's trying to make people take bad decisions, don't worry d:
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Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:51:56
May 15 2015 16:46 GMT
#68
Whoa, TY being fielded. And whoo! Here comes the legendary team killer, MMA!

MMA has a good chance of beating Cure since MMA's TvT has always been strong, especially when some of his best play came during the Terran era. I doubt Cure can out harass and out drop MMA.

Also, I could see this lineup being SBENU's go to lineup weekly. Maybe throw in Leenock or Curious when MMA can't play, since MMA is a merc.
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Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:49:25
May 15 2015 16:48 GMT
#69
On May 16 2015 01:25 Silvana wrote:
Creator is gonna beat Zest guys, you should trade Zest away!


Well, if Creator's PvP is on point as it was in the 2 weeks that he beat Zest twice and $O$, then Creator should win. But, Zest did make some pretty significant mistakes in both of his losses (1st game: being too aggressive with blink Stalkers and not getting upgrades; 2nd game: no observer to see for DTs)
MMA will reign supreme once again // MaSa is gawd
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 15 2015 16:51 GMT
#70
On May 16 2015 01:42 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 01:38 IAmWithStupid wrote:
On May 16 2015 01:25 Silvana wrote:
Creator is gonna beat Zest guys, you should trade Zest away!

Strange words from a girl who has KT Rolster icon in the signature...

Because she's trying to make people take bad decisions, don't worry d:


One has to resort to every special tactics at hand when the first week of FPL has been disastrous.
Johan-ae
Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden58 Posts
May 15 2015 19:09 GMT
#71
Who should i trade away MMA for in my Anti-team? :O
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
May 15 2015 19:11 GMT
#72
WTH! The Machine going in for repair this week...not looking good for me this FPL week.
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Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
May 15 2015 19:15 GMT
#73
No INnoVation T-T... The slump is real...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 15 2015 19:26 GMT
#74
On May 16 2015 04:09 Johan-ae wrote:
Who should i trade away MMA for in my Anti-team? :O

I'd say HerO or Leenock depending on which team between MVP and Sbenu you think will win. Or if you want to go full idiot balls to the wall, INnoVation since he's in a slump.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
May 15 2015 19:26 GMT
#75
Flash vs Macsed, man... I want Chinese players to win but that Flash
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 15 2015 19:34 GMT
#76
On May 16 2015 04:26 Caihead wrote:
Flash vs Macsed, man... I want Chinese players to win but that Flash

I feel worse for Keen.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
May 15 2015 19:38 GMT
#77
On May 16 2015 04:34 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 04:26 Caihead wrote:
Flash vs Macsed, man... I want Chinese players to win but that Flash

I feel worse for Keen.

I don't think he'll get to play so that's not the worst fate.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 15 2015 19:42 GMT
#78
On May 16 2015 04:38 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 04:34 ThomasjServo wrote:
On May 16 2015 04:26 Caihead wrote:
Flash vs Macsed, man... I want Chinese players to win but that Flash

I feel worse for Keen.

I don't think he'll get to play so that's not the worst fate.

Good point, maybe that was what Gerrard was thinking.
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
May 15 2015 19:50 GMT
#79
This Bbyong/Classic team kill is pretty rough for me but I don't think I can afford to trade either of them. Trading away Myungsik this week while he is still relatively high value seems necessary with this matchup. This week is going to be interesting. Have to set things up for the long term.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
May 15 2015 20:03 GMT
#80
God that Sbenu team
MMA hype!
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Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
May 15 2015 22:16 GMT
#81
On May 15 2015 18:25 Swisslink wrote:
I hoped for a non TvP matchup for Maru... but... well... not gonna happen :-/
I still think vs Zerg/Terran he's not even near as unbeatable as against Toss,

vs zerg i agree but vs terran? he just beat dream 4-1 last starleague, innovation in proleague, ty in gsl. who else is there really
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 22:29:00
May 15 2015 22:23 GMT
#82
On May 16 2015 07:16 Rain.100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 18:25 Swisslink wrote:
I hoped for a non TvP matchup for Maru... but... well... not gonna happen :-/
I still think vs Zerg/Terran he's not even near as unbeatable as against Toss,

vs zerg i agree but vs terran? he just beat dream 4-1 last starleague, innovation in proleague, ty in gsl. who else is there really

Look at SBENU's lineup - Bomber is a TvT monster, MMA can be given enough preparation. And that's only taking SBENU's lineup, obviously.
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mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 23:21:21
May 15 2015 23:21 GMT
#83
macsed

double proxy robo

not 1, but 2 robos

thats right

2 proxied robos next to your natural
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 15 2015 23:45 GMT
#84
On May 16 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 07:16 Rain.100 wrote:
On May 15 2015 18:25 Swisslink wrote:
I hoped for a non TvP matchup for Maru... but... well... not gonna happen :-/
I still think vs Zerg/Terran he's not even near as unbeatable as against Toss,

vs zerg i agree but vs terran? he just beat dream 4-1 last starleague, innovation in proleague, ty in gsl. who else is there really

Look at SBENU's lineup - Bomber is a TvT monster, MMA can be given enough preparation. And that's only taking SBENU's lineup, obviously.

Bomber was, but who knows for sure now? All we've seen is him beat an under-performing Innovation recently. Bomber has so few games this year who knows how good he really is right now
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 23:47:52
May 15 2015 23:47 GMT
#85
On May 16 2015 08:21 mikumegurine wrote:
macsed

double proxy robo

not 1, but 2 robos

thats right

2 proxied robos next to your natural


double proxy robo into double observer into double collosus (with out range of course)?
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
May 16 2015 01:21 GMT
#86
On May 15 2015 17:03 Elentos wrote:
Oh wow Prime is the deadest. TY vs YoDa, Flash vs MacSed, Zest vs Creator, Life vs KeeN, RIP.


Their potential to get 0-7 is strong this season.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 16 2015 01:41 GMT
#87
On May 16 2015 10:21 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2015 17:03 Elentos wrote:
Oh wow Prime is the deadest. TY vs YoDa, Flash vs MacSed, Zest vs Creator, Life vs KeeN, RIP.


Their potential to get 0-7 is strong this season.

at least they wouldnt be the first. makes it slightly more bearable
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
May 16 2015 03:10 GMT
#88
Wow, how the hell are people saying Prime got unlucky...I think they got as good a draw as they could ever hope for! Yoda got his best matchup, Creator got his best matchup (he's already beat Zest in PL TWICE) and they got a Protoss against Flash. The only clear disadvantage for Prime in matchups is Keen vs Life. As much as Life has been slumping a little in PL, Keen has been a 100% non-factor (a shame, as I used to be a real fan of the guy). Of course Prime is still the underdog, but if you wanna talk about real bad luck with the draw, I think Sbenu got it worse, comparatively.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 16 2015 04:28 GMT
#89
On May 16 2015 12:10 jubil wrote:
Wow, how the hell are people saying Prime got unlucky...I think they got as good a draw as they could ever hope for! Yoda got his best matchup, Creator got his best matchup (he's already beat Zest in PL TWICE) and they got a Protoss against Flash. The only clear disadvantage for Prime in matchups is Keen vs Life. As much as Life has been slumping a little in PL, Keen has been a 100% non-factor (a shame, as I used to be a real fan of the guy). Of course Prime is still the underdog, but if you wanna talk about real bad luck with the draw, I think Sbenu got it worse, comparatively.

Because it is Prime vs. KT. The only more snowball's chance it hell it gets at the moment is Prime vs. CJ.
TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
May 16 2015 13:55 GMT
#90
Maybe its wrong thread but when will be the trades for FPL open?
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Profile Joined April 2014
South Africa28 Posts
May 16 2015 15:52 GMT
#91
Where in fucking god's name is Stats? Rest Flash rather, he's not that good anymore anyway............. FML!
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TerranOwnsAll
Profile Joined January 2014
359 Posts
May 18 2015 16:21 GMT
#92
Staying up tonight to watch Flash v MacSed. Really excited for that match for some reason!
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