• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:04
CET 18:04
KST 02:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1152 users

[S2SL] Ro16 Group C: Lost Time - S2 2015

Forum Index > SC2 General
8 CommentsPost a Reply

[S2SL] Ro16 Group C: Lost Time - S2 2015

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
May 7th, 2015 03:31 GMT
2014 WCS

SBENU SC2 Starleague 2015 Season 2



S2SL Main Event
Group C
Life vs soO
ByuL vs Trap

Brackets andLeenock gs on Liquipedia
Starcraft II Starleague

Lost Time

Thursday, May 07 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
by The_Templar

Every player has a point during his career in which he clearly could have done better, and where it’s apparent that his performance was insufficient compared to what he hoped for. This group is unique in that none of the four competitors haven’t really underperformed recently, but they all have either unfulfilled potential or expectations. This group gives each of these players a shot to show how capable they really are, and for some to make up for lost time.

We’ve talked a lot about how (Z)Life is one of the greats, and how he outdid and outlived all of his adversaries. He adapted to the entire world, created his own style of play, and twice occupied a dominating position that most champions dream of. He clinched the Blizzcon trophy, and his red-hot play allowed him to burn his way to two semifinals and a championship in Korea. In seven tournaments, he has reached the top 4 in six of them while surrounded by top-tier opponents. Life has dealt himself the best hand possible, but somewhere along the way he started to lack an aura of near-invincibility crucial for the number of tournaments he has recently participated in.

Both of Life’s Korean league runs were littered with weakness as he dropped multiple sets and barely clutched out victory in most of his important series. (T)Dream stole the spotlight in the last S2SL, (T)INnoVation stopped Life’s followup to IEM Taipei, and (Z)Dark ended any dreams of controlling Korea. While these minor failures aren’t particularly disappointing, and were compensated for by an equal number of victories, expectations for Life in the last months have been greater than for any other player, and any less than a top four placement here can be seen as a letdown.


(Z)soO, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Unlike Life, who actually dominated more than a fair number of tournaments, soO always fell short. Every single GSL in 2014 featured soO entering as the previous season’s runner-up and climbing his way to a repeat performance. Not only did four straight finals show off his consistency, but so did his play, as he managed to mix together solid macro play together with a variety of build orders including cheese. Even though he didn’t win a single season, soO's position as the number one Zerg remained barely contested until Life returned to top form near the end of the year and he cracked.

After pitiful finishes at the WCS Global finals and the Hot6iX cup, soO was relegated to a second-tier position on SKT’s Proleague lineup as he failed to qualify for either of last season’s Starleagues. There, he struggled, and while he now holds an 8-4 record, the average quality of his opponents is far below what he competed against in the GSL. However, he is slowly making a partial return to form. soO managed to qualify for both Starleagues this season. Yet, despite crushing his way through the prerequisite qualifiers and following BO5s, he faltered in GSL, losing to both (P)Trap and (T)FanTaSy. It has been nearly half a year since soO toppled from his eternal second place throne, and failing to advance will extend that period of time by several months.


(P)Trap was on the rise but completely invisible near the end of 2013, as his improvements in Korea were overshadowed by hot players at the time like (P)Dear and (Z)Soulkey. After slowly climbing his way up to the quarterfinals of WCS Korea Premier Season 3, he promptly lost horribly to a Dear that was starting an unstoppable run to Blizzcon, but managed to defeat PartinG and jjakji to earn a spot in the Global Finals. There, he made his way to the semifinals in relative comfort, but took a second 3-0 beating from Soulkey and lost out on any shot at long-term recognition from that season. Still, he had proven that he had some ability, and would have a chance at proving his worth next year.

Instead, he became a perpetual flash in the pan, despite clearly having a reasonable measure of skill. Although Trap remained in Code S for 2014, he barely even managed to reach the RO16 one time. He showed up at MLG Anaheim, still nearly invisible, eight months after his performance, and despite no expectations he showed what he was capable of by fighting his way through a juggernaut of fan favorites in the lower bracket to take first. It was exactly what a sound player like Trap needed to boost himself into a position as one of the top players, but he made nothing out of it. After accepting his invitation to Red Bull Washington and finishing in the middle, he disappeared until the IEM World Championships, where he again inconspicuously took second place. If he sticks around long enough, he could surprise with another strong finish, but it’s entirely possible that his Starleague performance will closely follow his GSL form last year.


Few are likely to benefit from double Starleagues this season more than (Z)ByuL. Although he’s been around since 2012 and wavering between playoff contention and terrible for nearly as long, recent form indicates that this is the opportune time for him to have as many chances as possible. His strong performance in the last round of Proleague, prompted by a convincing victory over the previously undefeated (T)INnoVation and capped off by a 3-kill against Jin Air’s best, combined with a KeSPA Cup semifinals finish, paints a picture of a very potent competitor.

However, ByuL is no stranger to this situation. In 2013, his switch to WCS America seemed to be paying dividends. His very first run had brought him to the finals, where only (T)Polt could stop him, and despite losing he made himself out to be a future contender in WCS. Instead, he dropped off and made few appearances outside of WCS and GSL, where he continued his previous pattern of mediocre finishes. Nevertheless, it seems unlikely that ByuL, back in Korea and additionally playing regularly in Proleague, will fall as easily as he did before. With multiple shots at an individual run backed up by regular Proleague appearances, ByuL has a very good chance of making some impact this season.

Overall Thoughts Predictions:

Trap enters the group with only Zerg opponents. This is fortunate for him, as his recent PvZ has included almost exclusively wins over reasonable Zerg players, such as Dark and Rogue, even though most of those wins occurred in qualifiers. ByuL is responsible for one of his few losses, but the game itself was well-played by both players. ByuL’s PvZ, on the other hand, isn’t in particularly great shape. Seven relatively poor games, four of them losses, against herO and MyuNgSiK in the KeSPA cup and his game against Trap are his only notable games lately. soO and Life, on the other hand, have a good opportunity to give Trap a run for his money. While soO crushed Super and Seed in the S2SL Challenge and Code A, showing that his raw skill is a level above theirs, Life has been drawing slightly better than evenly with the very best Protoss players recently.

This brings us to the ZvZs. In the context of Life losing in the KeSPA cup, it seems likely that a lot of ZvZs will involve at least one fast pool. This is bad news for ByuL, who is extremely capable in macro ZvZs but was the only person to lose to an all-in from TerrOr. Life, on the other hand, has been known to adapt based on his known weaknesses, so it’s fairly likely that he’ll arrive prepared for what Dark attempted. Additionally, his ZvZ outside of that one series has been good enough to reliably defeat mid-tier Zergs. Meanwhile, it’s much more difficult to figure out soO’s play in the matchup. Most of his matches of late are against far lesser Zergs than Life and ByuL, but soO has shown flashes of brilliance in ZvZ. This is an advantage in games that will likely come down to which player is more intelligent than the other in the early game.

Life < soO
ByuL < Trap
soO > Trap
Life > ByuL
Trap < Life

(Z)soO and (Z)Life to advance.

Writers: The_Templar.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editors: lichter.
Stats: Aligulac
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
May 07 2015 03:37 GMT
#2
my gut says soo and trap my heart says soo and byul my brain says life and byul
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
May 07 2015 03:47 GMT
#3
I've jumped ship from soO and onto the Wrecking ByuL (that horrible pun is going to stay with him forever)

Life and ByuL advance, though I am the self-proclaimed king of hindsight.
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
May 07 2015 03:54 GMT
#4
ByuL not advancing is heresy. soO is broken after losing to FanTaSy and Trust.
Writer#1 CJ fan | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/508947-wcs-dreamhack-austin-interviews
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 04:00:01
May 07 2015 03:54 GMT
#5
This group is crazy. Any prediction is reasonable.

Yet, despite crushing his way through the prerequisite qualifiers and following BO5s, he faltered in GSL, losing to both (P)Trap and (T)FanTaSy. It


soO lost to (P)Trust not Trap.

Also think ByuL is getting sold short in ZvP. He usually does fine in the matchup and I don't think he played poorly at all in Kespa Cup. herO was just too good, ZvP is hard right now, and herO has insight into how ByuL plays.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 07 2015 03:57 GMT
#6
Life
Trap
ByuL
soO
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 03:58:20
May 07 2015 03:57 GMT
#7
Trap has lost his past 4-5 matches, I think Byul's streak will continue to roll over Trap despite his strong PvZ. Life vs soO is really a 50/50. Both are excellent at ZvZ, I think it'll all depend if soO shows up with the right mindset today unlike his most recent GSL match.

(Z)Life > (Z)soO 2-1
(Z)ByuL > (P)Trap 2-1
(Z)Life > (Z)ByuL 2-0
(P)Trap > (Z)soO 2-0
(Z)ByuL > (P)Trap 2-1
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 07 2015 04:05 GMT
#8
Stop believing in soO guys, it isn't happening. Trap, Life and Byul all have fairly even chances.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18546 Posts
May 07 2015 12:59 GMT
#9
So because Byul lost to the current best protoss in the world he was predicted to lose here?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
#35
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 485
TKL 315
Liquid`VortiX 131
DivinesiaTV 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1224
Mini 596
Larva 535
Light 357
Soma 342
Snow 163
firebathero 162
ggaemo 143
Rush 129
Aegong 43
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 38
Yoon 38
Movie 38
910 27
soO 25
Bale 18
Sacsri 12
Dota 2
syndereN1480
XcaliburYe657
Counter-Strike
adren_tv118
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor198
Other Games
Grubby6520
B2W.Neo1449
FrodaN580
Lowko348
Fuzer 339
ceh9312
hiko291
crisheroes233
ToD116
QueenE103
Mew2King99
nookyyy 60
Trikslyr26
RushiSC15
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV928
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 31
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1393
League of Legends
• Nemesis3148
• TFBlade906
Other Games
• Shiphtur107
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.