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metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 13:58:09
April 13 2015 12:42 GMT
#541
Old guess, please disregard

+ Show Spoiler +
10 Soulkey
9 INnoVation
8 Zest
7 Polt
6 MC

5 Bomber
4 Nestea
3 MMA
2 Life
1 Mvp


New guess...

10 Rain
9 Soulkey
8 INnoVation
7 Zest
6 Polt

5 Bomber
4 Nestea
3 MMA
2 Life
1 Mvp

Sorry TaeJa and MC, the level of competition is too damn high.
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
April 13 2015 12:46 GMT
#542
You forgot Rain
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
April 13 2015 12:47 GMT
#543
On April 13 2015 21:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
You forgot Rain

Yes I did, I admitted it in the thread immediately because I have him in my top 10 list. I will not redo polls though. Just use Someone else.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
April 13 2015 12:48 GMT
#544
On April 13 2015 21:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
that post is too long, can you please spoiler it?

done
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 13 2015 14:37 GMT
#545
Bracket contest time? using http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Greatest_Players_of_All_Time
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 15:21:58
April 13 2015 15:20 GMT
#546
On April 13 2015 11:25 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 05:42 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 13 2015 05:00 Elentos wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:57 Yorkie wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:30 Elentos wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:20 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 13 2015 03:30 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing?


The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL.


The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA.

Yeah TL is part of a massive conspiracy to cover this all up. If only they had allowed some people on this forum to keep saying the same thing over and over again/make baseless accusations then we would have all the answers about match fixing for sure!


That was a cool straw man but I still fail to see how closing discussion on arguably the most important issue facing the game is better in the long run.

The "discussion" was uncivilized, hateful, respectless, and ultimately pointless as everything that needed to be said was said. There was nothing wrong with closing that thread. The discussion ran its course far before the thread was closed.

I will now throw argumentative buzzwords at you! Straw man! Ad hominem! Logical fallacies! Wake up sheeple!

I mean, I guess those are good ways to keep a "discussion" going. :3


No actually he used a straw man. I can tell you about lots of threads on TL that have not much direction and heated internet arguments. That doesn't necessarily mean a discussion should not be happening, considering it's an exaggeration to say that every post was a circle jerk.

You complain about the thread being locked

I say why the thread was locked

For some reason you think this is a straw man

EDIT: Anyway yeah no Stephano isn't going to be on the list I'd wager


You repeated the exact same thing I had just responded to ("people were saying the same thing over and over"), and implied the only reason to keep the thread open would be to get "all the answers about matchfixing". Even though I just explained why I think the thread should be kept open, and it was not to "get all the answers about matchfixing". In other words, you responded to a straw man rather than what I actually said. You did not respond to my point that the importance of the issue in and of itself is the reason the thread should be kept open.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
April 13 2015 15:31 GMT
#547
On April 14 2015 00:20 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 11:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 13 2015 05:42 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 13 2015 05:00 Elentos wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:57 Yorkie wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:30 Elentos wrote:
On April 13 2015 04:20 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 13 2015 03:30 Darkhorse wrote:
On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:
[quote]

The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL.


The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA.

Yeah TL is part of a massive conspiracy to cover this all up. If only they had allowed some people on this forum to keep saying the same thing over and over again/make baseless accusations then we would have all the answers about match fixing for sure!


That was a cool straw man but I still fail to see how closing discussion on arguably the most important issue facing the game is better in the long run.

The "discussion" was uncivilized, hateful, respectless, and ultimately pointless as everything that needed to be said was said. There was nothing wrong with closing that thread. The discussion ran its course far before the thread was closed.

I will now throw argumentative buzzwords at you! Straw man! Ad hominem! Logical fallacies! Wake up sheeple!

I mean, I guess those are good ways to keep a "discussion" going. :3


No actually he used a straw man. I can tell you about lots of threads on TL that have not much direction and heated internet arguments. That doesn't necessarily mean a discussion should not be happening, considering it's an exaggeration to say that every post was a circle jerk.

You complain about the thread being locked

I say why the thread was locked

For some reason you think this is a straw man

EDIT: Anyway yeah no Stephano isn't going to be on the list I'd wager


You repeated the exact same thing I had just responded to ("people were saying the same thing over and over"), and implied the only reason to keep the thread open would be to get "all the answers about matchfixing". Even though I just explained why I think the thread should be kept open, and it was not to "get all the answers about matchfixing". In other words, you responded to a straw man rather than what I actually said. You did not respond to my point that the importance of the issue in and of itself is the reason the thread should be kept open.

This topic is not supposed to be talked about in this thread anymore.

On April 13 2015 05:40 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 03:24 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 12 2015 23:05 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2015 23:00 Disarmed wrote:
its not getting embarrassing?


The "discussion" was embarrassing, which is why it was closed. Everything that could be said has been said, and if new information comes to light that might warrant a thread. Until then, there is nothing to be gained by having a thread dedicated to a massive circular argument on TL.


The fact that TL is stifling discussion about ongoing matchfixing in SC2 is what's embarassing. The importance of the issue in and of itself warrants a thread, period. But I guess TL wants it quiet just like Blizzard and KeSPA.


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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
April 13 2015 15:58 GMT
#548
I'm surprised so many people are putting herO on their list. Don't get me wrong, he's amazing and has achieved some incredible things, but I just don't see how he is GOAT level. Not yet, anyways.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
April 13 2015 16:08 GMT
#549
(Wiki)User:Philozovic
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 13 2015 16:14 GMT
#550
On April 13 2015 23:37 Skynx wrote:
Bracket contest time? using http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Greatest_Players_of_All_Time

Well, some of us already know the top ten in order
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Meckie
Profile Joined September 2012
18 Posts
April 13 2015 16:17 GMT
#551
Surely, MC will end in top 3 despite him not being on manys top 3 in here. No, he's not as good as KeSPA-players right now, and has been sub-par for quite some time now, but the amount of money earned, tournaments won, and impact on the scene he has had can be matched by close to none. I'd say the only ones capable of challenging him on a list such as this are Mvp and NesTea.

The player who has reached the highest level of skill is undoubtedly Life, but that doesn't make him the greatest of all time. A perfect example is Mvp because relative to his competition, he dominated the most of any player in SC2, but obviously he'd get stomped if he played like he did in his prime now ('cause the skill of players have risen so much).

The same goes for Pelé and Maradona. They would get absolutely crushed by players like Messi and Ronaldo if they played at their prime at the same time, but they still dominated their respective era so much that they can be considered greatest of all times.

Top 3 will be MC, NesTea and Mvp with the latter being on top.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
April 13 2015 16:34 GMT
#552
On April 14 2015 01:17 Meckie wrote:
Surely, MC will end in top 3 despite him not being on manys top 3 in here. No, he's not as good as KeSPA-players right now, and has been sub-par for quite some time now, but the amount of money earned, tournaments won, and impact on the scene he has had can be matched by close to none. I'd say the only ones capable of challenging him on a list such as this are Mvp and NesTea.

The player who has reached the highest level of skill is undoubtedly Life, but that doesn't make him the greatest of all time. A perfect example is Mvp because relative to his competition, he dominated the most of any player in SC2, but obviously he'd get stomped if he played like he did in his prime now ('cause the skill of players have risen so much).

The same goes for Pelé and Maradona. They would get absolutely crushed by players like Messi and Ronaldo if they played at their prime at the same time, but they still dominated their respective era so much that they can be considered greatest of all times.

Top 3 will be MC, NesTea and Mvp with the latter being on top.

What about MMA and Life? O_o
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16766 Posts
April 13 2015 16:36 GMT
#553
Greatest Canadian Players Of All Time

1. HuK
2. Scarlett
3. Testie
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
April 13 2015 16:43 GMT
#554
On April 14 2015 01:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Greatest Canadian Players Of All Time

1. HuK
2. Scarlett
3. Testie


Combatex duuuuuh
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
April 13 2015 16:44 GMT
#555
On April 14 2015 01:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Greatest Canadian Players Of All Time

1. HuK
2. Scarlett
3. Testie

Dude, don't forget KiWiKaKi
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#556
On April 14 2015 01:17 Meckie wrote:
Surely, MC will end in top 3 despite him not being on manys top 3 in here. No, he's not as good as KeSPA-players right now, and has been sub-par for quite some time now, but the amount of money earned, tournaments won, and impact on the scene he has had can be matched by close to none. I'd say the only ones capable of challenging him on a list such as this are Mvp and NesTea.

The player who has reached the highest level of skill is undoubtedly Life, but that doesn't make him the greatest of all time. A perfect example is Mvp because relative to his competition, he dominated the most of any player in SC2, but obviously he'd get stomped if he played like he did in his prime now ('cause the skill of players have risen so much).

The same goes for Pelé and Maradona. They would get absolutely crushed by players like Messi and Ronaldo if they played at their prime at the same time, but they still dominated their respective era so much that they can be considered greatest of all times.

Top 3 will be MC, NesTea and Mvp with the latter being on top.


Decent analysis but I think you're vastly overrating Nestea and how long he was on top for, even at the beginning of 2012 he was already descending into mid level player status.

Top 5 will be Mvp, Life, MC, MMA and Taeja or Polt.
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
April 13 2015 16:52 GMT
#557
I miss Mvp
I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep now.
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
April 13 2015 17:00 GMT
#558
On April 14 2015 01:17 Meckie wrote:
Surely, MC will end in top 3 despite him not being on manys top 3 in here. No, he's not as good as KeSPA-players right now, and has been sub-par for quite some time now, but the amount of money earned, tournaments won, and impact on the scene he has had can be matched by close to none. I'd say the only ones capable of challenging him on a list such as this are Mvp and NesTea.

The player who has reached the highest level of skill is undoubtedly Life, but that doesn't make him the greatest of all time. A perfect example is Mvp because relative to his competition, he dominated the most of any player in SC2, but obviously he'd get stomped if he played like he did in his prime now ('cause the skill of players have risen so much).

The same goes for Pelé and Maradona. They would get absolutely crushed by players like Messi and Ronaldo if they played at their prime at the same time, but they still dominated their respective era so much that they can be considered greatest of all times.

Top 3 will be MC, NesTea and Mvp with the latter being on top.

But what keeps Life from reaching top 3 in your opinion? Life is #2 in total earnings after MC and you yourself said he reached the highest skill of any player ever. Doesn't add up if you ask me <.<
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Frakkofff
Profile Joined May 2014
Russian Federation66 Posts
April 13 2015 17:25 GMT
#559
On April 14 2015 01:17 Meckie wrote:
Surely, MC will end in top 3 despite him not being on manys top 3 in here. No, he's not as good as KeSPA-players right now, and has been sub-par for quite some time now, but the amount of money earned, tournaments won, and impact on the scene he has had can be matched by close to none. I'd say the only ones capable of challenging him on a list such as this are Mvp and NesTea.

The player who has reached the highest level of skill is undoubtedly Life, but that doesn't make him the greatest of all time. A perfect example is Mvp because relative to his competition, he dominated the most of any player in SC2, but obviously he'd get stomped if he played like he did in his prime now ('cause the skill of players have risen so much).

The same goes for Pelé and Maradona. They would get absolutely crushed by players like Messi and Ronaldo if they played at their prime at the same time, but they still dominated their respective era so much that they can be considered greatest of all times.

Top 3 will be MC, NesTea and Mvp with the latter being on top.


I'm totally agree with you, only contrast count.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18446 Posts
April 13 2015 17:50 GMT
#560
On April 14 2015 00:58 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I'm surprised so many people are putting herO on their list. Don't get me wrong, he's amazing and has achieved some incredible things, but I just don't see how he is GOAT level. Not yet, anyways.


Yeah, the funniest thing is it's not even the CJ players who are doing that XD
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