On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
I hope that this close-mindedness is not the way of thinking of the majority of BW fans, or else I don't give much future to the scene once nice & passionate people like Sonic somehow stop supporting it. The world is diverse and open. Someone can both watch BW and SC2. Someone can even watch BW, SC2, and non-RTS games like CS:GO or LoL and, guess what, enjoy them and support them all.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
Well, maybe this is a sign that BW is becoming more sustainable and less dependant on Sonic alone?
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm calling not it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
ok buddy, let me lay it out for you, your fears are unfounded and dumb and while you seem to have an idea that you do already know that, I'll put in a little extra with this video
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
ok buddy, let me lay it out for you, your fears are unfounded and dumb and while you seem to have an idea that you do already know that, I'll put in a little extra with this video
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation, and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
BW may have started as a passion project for Sonic but I'm sure now his brand is so large that it needs to expand horizontally instead of always vertically. Expanding into SC2 makes sense and i doubt it detracts much from his BW efforts.
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He is furthering BW from the inside. Infiltration keke
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation, and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
I hope you are right in your optimism. Maybe this won't negatively affect BW in Korea. But it sounds like you're suggesting that Sonic might be bargaining with Blizzard for the sake of the SSL on OGN. I really hope it's not that, and that he's just making a sound business decision to reach people who are not fans of BW, as you said.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He will bring back BW from the inside. Infiltration lol
All according to keikaku
I wouldn't mind that in the least. I don't follow SSL but is there an official English broadcast for it?
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 23:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 22:52 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:34 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
I completely disagree with GeLaar's feelings about this potentially being bad for BW, but the transition was ugly and a lot of us expected the BW pros to keep playing Brood War. Let's just leave it at that.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 23:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 22:52 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:34 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
Yeah, I can see that. But then again, the whole concept of "sequels" in competitive games is ridiculous and is only there in computer games because a sequel can offer updated technical aspects of the game. Once (if ever) we come to the point where a sequel is on the same technical level as its prequel, we might finally see esports become like a real sport where games are judged and played according to their design principles and its own "fun factor". No one considers 3D chess to be a sequel to the chess and as such, chess players are not expected to play 3D chess ^^. But anyways, I digress...
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote: [quote] I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He will bring back BW from the inside. Infiltration lol
All according to keikaku
I wouldn't mind that in the least. I don't follow SSL but is there an official English broadcast for it?
On March 30 2015 11:20 lestye wrote: Also: I love my ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) like everyone else, however I feel this commercial didn't get the love it deserved since it only aired during the Grand Finals, iicr.
I would have thought that I could not get culture shocked by Korea after Gangnam Style, body height crazyness, weird social interactions and 5 years of watching Starcraft. This one just did it again. Damn.
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