Sonic, the president of Sbenu, stated "It's our pleasure to expand our support to E-sports through sponsoring GSL, the greatest Starcraft 2 league in the world. "
Map change Out: Catalena, Foxtrot Lab In: Vanni Research Station, Expedition Lost also with King Sejong Station, Merry Go Round, Overgrowth, Deadwing, and Iron Fortress from the previous season.
Starting on April first with the games: YoDa_Prime vs. Invasion eSport_DongRaeGu Dignitas_Seed vs. SK Telecom T1_soO Team Liquid_TaeJa vs. SK Telecom T1_Sorry
Holy shit, God Bless Sonic. I think he's like the ultimate e-sports fan dream. Passionate fan becomes successful businessman, and uses his marketing budget/influence to help grow his business and e-sports.Is he going to literally sponsor 3 of the biggest esports leagues in Korea at the same time??
I was going to buy shoes in the name of awesome kpop star commercials (in spite of Syle being a hater :-< ) but I'll have to buy more stuff now.
Also: I love my ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) like everyone else, however I feel this commercial didn't get the love it deserved since it only aired during the Grand Finals, iicr.
On March 30 2015 12:08 Plexa wrote: Sonic is literally esports Jesus. He could resent other games for destroying BW, instead he sends them sponsor packages. What. A. Boss.
On March 30 2015 12:57 Garemie wrote: Is this actually huge? I mean they have to have a sponsor every year. Maybe I just don't understand the magnitude.
Having a new sponsor every season is ideal, especially if its a different one, it shows interest in ESPORTS.
On March 30 2015 12:08 Plexa wrote: Sonic is literally esports Jesus. He could resent other games for destroying BW, instead he sends them sponsor packages. What. A. Boss.
On March 30 2015 12:57 Garemie wrote: Is this actually huge? I mean they have to have a sponsor every year. Maybe I just don't understand the magnitude.
Sonic is easily the single most important figure in BW today.
What does sponsorship exactly mean for GSL when it is a part of WCS and the prize pool is given? It seems that in practice, Sonic is just sponsoring Blizzard, because the net effect is that Blizzard will have to pay less money. Which is quite funny given that Blizzard has screwed Sonic over in the past - shows that this guy has quite the style.
On March 30 2015 15:30 opisska wrote: What does sponsorship exactly mean for GSL when it is a part of WCS and the prize pool is given? It seems that in practice, Sonic is just sponsoring Blizzard, because the net effect is that Blizzard will have to pay less money. Which is quite funny given that Blizzard has screwed Sonic over in the past - shows that this guy has quite the style.
Production costs and crew salaries are pretty expensive, I imagine sponsorship money goes to that instead of the prize pool that's already paid out by blizzard.
I always had a lot of respect for Sonic for doing what he did to Brood War, even if I don't follow BW competitively. To see him sponsor SC2 as well?! Hats off to the man. He is a literal eSports god.
Grats to JYP on his casting gig. Good to see him staying in eSports :D
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
So because he's a dedicated BW fan he's not allowed to also enjoy SC2?
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
So because he's a dedicated BW fan he's not allowed to also enjoy SC2?
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
So because he's a dedicated BW fan he's not allowed to also enjoy SC2?
According to the Brood War forums, no.
I have to wonder how many people in the Brood War forums are having an aneurysm about this very announcement right now.
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
So because he's a dedicated BW fan he's not allowed to also enjoy SC2?
I second this. Are you personally close to Sonic and know what he precisely thinks about SC2? It is very likely that he prefers Brood War, but nothing says that he considers SC2 to be only a business investment. Additionally, from a purely "profit" standpoint, I somehow doubt that an eSport which is maybe facing one match-fixing (Pinnacle voided bets) and one betting-manipulation (talking about the olimoley thing here), and which is already way less popular than other eSports is a good eSport to invest into.
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
How so?
I haven't seen him say a lot of negative stuff about SCII, maybe he is like many people me included that enjoy both BW and SCII (and maybe like one more game, BW more than the other), the fact that he is super passionate and loves BroodWar, and singlehandedly kept it alive till OGN picked it up again, doesn't mean that he somehow hates/dislikes SC2.
Unless you have an interview of him (more recently, because the game has changed a lot from dreadful WoL days where I can easily imagine people like him saying some really negative stuff about the game) saying he doesn't like it/finds it shit or whatever, then thats all speculation without any actual reason,,,
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
So because he's a dedicated BW fan he's not allowed to also enjoy SC2?
According to the Brood War forums, no.
I have to wonder how many people in the Brood War forums are having an aneurysm about this very announcement right now.
you think people care about SC2 in BW forums, they don't, they care if it affects BW in any way, which in this case it doesn't.
On March 30 2015 11:28 Ja.Y. wrote: Sweet! Does that mean Hot6ix is no longer the main sponsor for GSL? Or is it just another sponsor for GSL?
And, hopefully this will mean that VODs will come out like SPL and SSL. I'm one of the fans who wants to subscribe but can't afford to, atm.
Hot6ix did not sponsor GSL last season. Their imagery and logos were no where to be found in studio. I was really surprised when the season started but I guess something happened. Source: I watch way too much GSL.
Sbenu will be the only (title) sponsor now, apart from Blizzard.
stealth edit: Make sure to tweet at them and thank them for sponsoring!
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
How so?
I haven't seen him say a lot of negative stuff about SCII, maybe he is like many people me included that enjoy both BW and SCII (and maybe like one more game, BW more than the other), the fact that he is super passionate and loves BroodWar, and singlehandedly kept it alive till OGN picked it up again, doesn't mean that he somehow hates/dislikes SC2.
Disliking SC2 and not having passion for it are very different things. I would think (and I am in no way purporting to know the actual thought process of a major business leader) that he was mostly ambivalent about it in the past, and now sees a financial opportunity with the recent investment in the game in Korea. Seeing that other esports investments, such as League, worked out for him, he went ahead and decided to put Sbenu on the board in SC2 as well.
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
How so?
I haven't seen him say a lot of negative stuff about SCII, maybe he is like many people me included that enjoy both BW and SCII (and maybe like one more game, BW more than the other), the fact that he is super passionate and loves BroodWar, and singlehandedly kept it alive till OGN picked it up again, doesn't mean that he somehow hates/dislikes SC2.
Disliking SC2 and not having passion for it are very different things. I would think (and I am in no way purporting to know the actual thought process of a major business leader) that he was mostly ambivalent about it in the past, and now sees a financial opportunity with the recent investment in the game in Korea. Seeing that other esports investments, such as League, worked out for him, he went ahead and decided to put Sbenu on the board in SC2 as well.
Ohh I aggree completely with this, what I was talking about was the: "Far from it." part, which implies that its basically the opposite (if my english isn't even worse than I thought haha)
On March 30 2015 12:17 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: So is there a chance that Mr. Chae left GOM for some reason relating to this? Is there some news about that (Mr. Chae) that I've missed?
Mr. Chae left GOM because he got a better offer from Afreeca, who are currently trying to expand to the western market.
As for Sonic, there's a phrase I remember Destiny saying on one of the last (possibly the last?) episode of Unfiltered, where he said that he believes esports are sustainable when someone comes in not for passion, but only for profit, and he can leave satisfied. This is one of those rare occasions where he said something that made sense. We know where Sonic started making his venture into esports. We know where he expended most of his energy. If he's coming on board, I believe Korean SC2 may be coming to that point of clear sustainability.
Isn't Sonic the prime example of someone coming in primarily for passion and not for profit?
Not in SC2, he isn't. Far from it.
How so?
I haven't seen him say a lot of negative stuff about SCII, maybe he is like many people me included that enjoy both BW and SCII (and maybe like one more game, BW more than the other), the fact that he is super passionate and loves BroodWar, and singlehandedly kept it alive till OGN picked it up again, doesn't mean that he somehow hates/dislikes SC2.
Disliking SC2 and not having passion for it are very different things. I would think (and I am in no way purporting to know the actual thought process of a major business leader) that he was mostly ambivalent about it in the past, and now sees a financial opportunity with the recent investment in the game in Korea. Seeing that other esports investments, such as League, worked out for him, he went ahead and decided to put Sbenu on the board in SC2 as well.
I think its great that hes doing something good for himself by way of Sbenu and Gom.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
what, so you're afraid of competition?
BW is literally jesus, except it took 3 years not 3 days.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
... and here I thought that wishing other games to do bad was solely charateristic of the SC2 scene. Thanks for the reminder.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
On March 30 2015 21:59 Heartland wrote: I assume the reason why Sbenu is doing this is because they want to expose their product to their target audience more. Probably no other reason
Yeah, but there is nothing wrong with that either. Sonic also sponsors the current lol league in korea, I wonder when he will start sponsoring a progaming team :D
On March 30 2015 21:59 Heartland wrote: I assume the reason why Sbenu is doing this is because they want to expose their product to their target audience more. Probably no other reason
On March 30 2015 21:59 Heartland wrote: I assume the reason why Sbenu is doing this is because they want to expose their product to their target audience more. Probably no other reason
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
Speaking as someone who strongly prefers BW to SC2, I don't see any evidence that he's moving on.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
I hope that this close-mindedness is not the way of thinking of the majority of BW fans, or else I don't give much future to the scene once nice & passionate people like Sonic somehow stop supporting it. The world is diverse and open. Someone can both watch BW and SC2. Someone can even watch BW, SC2, and non-RTS games like CS:GO or LoL and, guess what, enjoy them and support them all.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
Well, maybe this is a sign that BW is becoming more sustainable and less dependant on Sonic alone?
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm calling not it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
ok buddy, let me lay it out for you, your fears are unfounded and dumb and while you seem to have an idea that you do already know that, I'll put in a little extra with this video
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
ok buddy, let me lay it out for you, your fears are unfounded and dumb and while you seem to have an idea that you do already know that, I'll put in a little extra with this video
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation, and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
BW may have started as a passion project for Sonic but I'm sure now his brand is so large that it needs to expand horizontally instead of always vertically. Expanding into SC2 makes sense and i doubt it detracts much from his BW efforts.
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He is furthering BW from the inside. Infiltration keke
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation, and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
I hope you are right in your optimism. Maybe this won't negatively affect BW in Korea. But it sounds like you're suggesting that Sonic might be bargaining with Blizzard for the sake of the SSL on OGN. I really hope it's not that, and that he's just making a sound business decision to reach people who are not fans of BW, as you said.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He will bring back BW from the inside. Infiltration lol
All according to keikaku
I wouldn't mind that in the least. I don't follow SSL but is there an official English broadcast for it?
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 23:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 22:52 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:34 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
I completely disagree with GeLaar's feelings about this potentially being bad for BW, but the transition was ugly and a lot of us expected the BW pros to keep playing Brood War. Let's just leave it at that.
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
There is very little evidence to suggest that this is Sonic moving on from BW, rather than just a good business decision to expand the exposure of his brand. Especially when you consider the fact that SSL11 is already under way and SSL12 will begin in summer according to Scan, who will play in it. There's really no reason for negativity here, since this is a very good news for SC2 and it doesn't affect BW in any way.
On March 30 2015 23:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 22:52 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:34 GeLaar wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:26 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 30 2015 21:24 GeLaar wrote: This is more than a little bit disappointing. I wonder how the Korean BW community will react.
More than a little bit disappointing? Wtf?
Yeah. I mean, I'm fully aware that he does not owe the BW community anything, while we owe him almost everything (at least as far as the last few years are concerned). But if he wanted to expand, I would have hoped that he would pour his resources into a game that doesn't compete with BW, and in particular that he wouldn't help SC2 gain any more of a foothold in Korea than it already has.
I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
If you are implying by "moving on" that Sonic is quitting SSL or reducing his prize money for SSLXI I don't really know what is prompting you to think that. Okay, you can hide in BW and ignore SC2 all you want but denying that SC2 was the future in 2010 and BW was fading is denying what is inevitable. If you really can't see the benefit in both sides supporting each other and instead think SC2 is leeching off BW or whatever, I can't do much to change that mindset but it's not helping either side. BW elitism turned off a lot of people from the game or being involved but you can at least tolerate that SC2 was a natural transition for so many BW pros.
For the record I've been watching more BW than SC2 lately and find it far more entertaining, but it doesn't mean I won't see this as a bad thing but rather a unification of a scene that only benefits from this.
I'm sorry, I don't want to reopen the old arguments, but transition of BW -> SC2 was anything but natural. Like, what was going on then is the complete opposite of what a "natural" transition would look like. From the Blizzard's awful and intrusive marketing of SC2, disputes and lawsuits between Blizzard and Kespa, to stuff like hybrid league etc. It was a complete mess.
Natural transition was too general I'll admit, but I mean more in the sense that it was the sequel to BW so it was expected that the BW pros would play SC2.
Yeah, I can see that. But then again, the whole concept of "sequels" in competitive games is ridiculous and is only there in computer games because a sequel can offer updated technical aspects of the game. Once (if ever) we come to the point where a sequel is on the same technical level as its prequel, we might finally see esports become like a real sport where games are judged and played according to their design principles and its own "fun factor". No one considers 3D chess to be a sequel to the chess and as such, chess players are not expected to play 3D chess ^^. But anyways, I digress...
On March 30 2015 21:52 PhoenixVoid wrote: [quote] I don't see this decision as a matter of BW vs SC2 I see it as support of a scene that Sonic wants to support because it has a lot of ex-BW pros and a sequel to BW. Sonic is doing a great thing for everyone and having this divisive mindset that "Sonic isn't helping BW as much as he could, SC2 shouldn't get help" isn't good. Plus with this I'm certain more people will tune into SSLXI because they see the Sonic and Sbenu sponsorship of GSL.
This is the SC2 part of the forum and I don't want to cause trouble, which is why I stick to the BW parts 99.9% of the time. But this "it's not the time for a divisive mindset" rhetoric has been pushed on us since the earliest days of SC2, while everything we had (players, teams, leagues, sponsorships) was taken away by any means available.
Like I said, Sonic owes us nothing, but now that we have a good thing going again, to a great extent due to him, it is painful to see him move on.
but he is not moving on? He is just sponsoring sc2 as well. And again, he is probably doing that because it makes sense for his brand and business.
I know, and I really hope that he will succeed, and even that this sponsorship will contribute to the success of his brand. If there's a single businessman that I want to see get rich, it's Sonic.
But Sonic was "the savior of Brood War". When things were really bad we had Sonic on our side to work his miracles and pull everything together. The situation is less clear after this move.
So sponsoring GSL suddenly means he loses his BW support? Why should he commit to only one game and not want to expand his business? I really struggle to understand how you think this is not a good move for both parties. GSL gets a great sponsor, Sonic promotes SSLXI and his Sbenu brand. He isn't compromising his BW support in anyway.
I don't think he was committing to one game before this. I think he was supporting League of Legends already, which is fine. And I know that there's no sign of him renouncing BW, or supporting it less, it's just that he's apparently also supporting an RTS competitor of BW. That's what it is. And I'm not calling it betrayal, it just worries me.
This is clearly turning into a flame war, which I didn't want. I certainly am very bitter. BW has reclaimed some of its status now and things are good again, but I remember well how things went down in 2010, and I for one would never be part of any "unification of communities", because I know exactly what that means.
I think you dont have to be worried, if something is clear is that BW is by far more popular than SC2 in Korea, even OGN was surprised by the ratings reached by BW, as a business decission is good, he is getting the people who watches the other SC game and dont watch BW, generally some of the newest generation and he can reaches some foreign audience, besides I remember that OGN was worried about Blizzard reaction if they continue to broadcast BW, well this movement can help to dissipate those worries.
Double post sorry, please delete it.
Maybe he is just utilising SC2 connections to bring more to BW. GOM classic gogo
He will bring back BW from the inside. Infiltration lol
All according to keikaku
I wouldn't mind that in the least. I don't follow SSL but is there an official English broadcast for it?
On March 30 2015 11:20 lestye wrote: Also: I love my ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) like everyone else, however I feel this commercial didn't get the love it deserved since it only aired during the Grand Finals, iicr.
I would have thought that I could not get culture shocked by Korea after Gangnam Style, body height crazyness, weird social interactions and 5 years of watching Starcraft. This one just did it again. Damn.
On March 30 2015 14:51 stuchiu wrote: Also can someone please explain to me why they listen to their shoes like phones?
You didn't hear?
In a partnership consisting Sbenu, SKT, KT and Samsung, the shoes have an build-in 4G signal receiver, combined with voice and listening components. Basically the shoe is a phone and vice-versa.
It has the following advantages to regular phones ; A] You can't lose your phone (reliable) B] It's very hard to drive and phone at the same time (safe) C] Hip (haven't you seen the STYLE of the shoes?) D] In Korea and other Asian countries, it's custom to turn of your shoes when you're at someone's house. This way, you won't have people playing on their phones all the time when they're at your house. E]The phone is "as strong as a Shoe!" (self-explanatory) F] Due to the phone being on your foot most of the time, people will try and stretch to their feet listen to something, which makes people more flexible, agile and it relaxes their muscles. No more need for traditional sports, just call your friends alot with Samsung's SBENU SKTELLYPHONE! (sporty)
On March 30 2015 14:51 stuchiu wrote: Also can someone please explain to me why they listen to their shoes like phones?
You didn't hear?
In a partnership consisting Sbenu, SKT, KT and Samsung, the shoes have an build-in 4G signal receiver, combined with voice and listening components. Basically the shoe is a phone and vice-versa.
It has the following advantages to regular phones ; A] You can't lose your phone (reliable) B] It's very hard to drive and phone at the same time (safe) C] Hip (haven't you seen the STYLE of the shoes?) D] In Korea and other Asian countries, it's custom to turn of your shoes when you're at someone's house. This way, you won't have people playing on their phones all the time when they're at your house. E]The phone is "as strong as a Shoe!" (self-explanatory) F] Due to the phone being on your foot most of the time, people will try and stretch to their feet listen to something, which makes people more flexible, agile and it relaxes their muscles. No more need for traditional sports, just call your friends alot with Samsung's SBENU SKTELLYPHONE! (sporty)
On March 30 2015 11:20 lestye wrote: Also: I love my ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) like everyone else, however I feel this commercial didn't get the love it deserved since it only aired during the Grand Finals, iicr.
I would have thought that I could not get culture shocked by Korea after Gangnam Style, body height crazyness, weird social interactions and 5 years of watching Starcraft. This one just did it again. Damn.
Sorry Sonic, I think this is a terrible idea. SC2 has proved massively unpopular in Korea, due to severe gameplay design flaws (to the point where interest decreased so much that arenas were mostly empty, and the game was not viable as an esport). It is not a well designed -and has not proved to be an interesting- game; it is not positive to associate a brand with SC2, especially for a Korean company - boredom and disinterest. Broodwar and LoL have proved to be popular; if you want to advertise/support esports more, expand in these areas, or another game. But SC2 is among the worst choices, if not the worst.
On April 01 2015 05:37 miercat wrote: Sorry Sonic, I think this is a terrible idea. SC2 has proved massively unpopular in Korea, due to severe gameplay design flaws (to the point where interest decreased so much that arenas were mostly empty, and the game was not viable as an esport). It is not a well designed -and has not proved to be an interesting- game; it is not positive to associate a brand with SC2, especially for a Korean company - boredom and disinterest. Broodwar and LoL have proved to be popular; if you want to advertise/support esports more, expand in these areas, or another game. But SC2 is among the worst choices, if not the worst.
??? OK first off, let's say I concede to you to say BW esports is more popular than SC2 esports atm, I don't think thats true but let's say it is. At the end of the day, SC2 is still the 3rd most esport in Korea in spite of your dislike towards it.
If he has the budget to to sponsor 3 leagues in 3 different games, what would you rather him sponsor?
I couldn't find anything about this anywhere else so here it is. Browsing through the GOM eXP YouTube channel I noticed that the Season 2 Code A hype video description states that the Code S champion will receive ₩ 70,000,000 ($ 64,255). The description also hints at a higher total prize pool. Is there a way to verify if this is correct? Like an official statement or article on a Korean website? If it's true, that's huge. For comparison, GSL Season 1 prize money was at ₩ 40,000,000 ($ 36717). The prize money is almost as much as the IEM World Championship, which was $ 68707.
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