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https://www.facebook.com/FlashWolves/posts/775345569214607
Official statement from yoe Flash Wolves FB fanpage:
Chinese Version Statement 1
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經初步了解，ST-yoe前往會場路上時，高速公路發生交通事故而塞車，因此未準時出戰SPL。
若有進一步消息會再行公告。
English: On the way to the playoffs, Startale-yoe was on their way to venu, on the free way there was a sudden traffic jam, because of this, the team could not arrive on time for SPL.
We will update everyone again with our next step.
Chinese Version statement 2
+ Show Spoiler +稍早的2015 SPL 季後賽ST-yoe vs Jinair一役，如同各位在前一篇新聞所見到的, 因首爾交通事故及大雪導致整個團隊未能於規定時間抵達SPL會場，因而被Kespa 判定棄權。（不能重賽）
這樣的判決對於身為聯隊一員的我們來說沒有什麼好講的，確實是我們的不對。對於這樣的遠距離聯軍閃電狼仍然還有許多需要學習的，管理上的疏失我們會全面性地重新進行檢討。期望各位能繼續支持我們。
四葉
Earlier it was determined for the 2015 SPL playoffs match of ST-yoe vs. Jinair that the team would be disqualified for not showing up by the stipulated time at the venu for SPL (with no chance of a rematch).
As far as we are concerned there is nothing good to speak of with this sort of ruling, it really is our own mistake. This way, we can see that this kind of long-distance coalition still has a lot to teach us, and we will try again to comprehensively inspect our own way of doing things. We hope that everyone can continue to support us.
4Leaf.
Personal thoughts:
This isn't the only tournament to have strict rules. And it is done in the interests of production. Thousands of U.S. Dollars go in to a single night's broadcast, and they have two matches an evening to prevent everyone (casters, production crew, security guards, and - most of all - the fans) from showing up and wasting their time if one match goes awry. yoe Flash Wolves manager 4Leaf knows and respects this decision.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I've added Chuddinater's post to the OP. If you still missed it:
On February 10 2015 10:11 Chuddinater wrote:If they showed up at 7 p.m they still would be able to play. We were on the phone with them up to the 7 p.m start time and there was no way they would be able to get to nexon arena in a reasonable time. They were still very far away in traffic at the 7 p.m start time.
In other words, StarTale was never going to get there even if they had delayed.
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On February 10 2015 12:03 BreAKerTV wrote:
This isn't the only tournament to have strict rules. And it is done in the interests of production. Thousands of U.S. Dollars go in to a single night's broadcast, and they have two matches an evening to prevent everyone (casters, production crew, security guards, and - most of all - the fans) from showing up and wasting their time if one match goes awry. yoe Flash Wolves manager 4Leaf knows and respects this decision.
the entire point of the production is to put on a show for the fans, and the point of rules is to punish people who don't respect the production. getting stuck in traffic is not a show of disrespect and punishing the team isn't going to make them able to control traffic in the future. your statement, while it makes sense from a PR standpoint as someone associated with yoe, makes absolutely no sense and is a kespa bendover
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On February 10 2015 11:36 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 10:11 Chuddinater wrote:If they showed up at 7 p.m they still would be able to play. We were on the phone with them up to the 7 p.m start time and there was no way they would be able to get to nexon arena in a reasonable time. They were still very far away in traffic at the 7 p.m start time. Listen, I know you have rules set in place for many different reasons and for many different situations. Whether it's to prevent people from taking advantage of situations, ruining program schedules, ensuring that they fulfill commitments etc. However, please take into consideration whom it is your organization actually serves and then enlighten me as to how the decision to DQ them, instead of rescheduling, is a service to your consumer? Note: if you are unaware of who your consumer is, who your organization actually serves, and who your organization relies upon most to keep your organization in business, its ME and everyone like me. We are called fans. We are the people who watch the teams and players you govern. Another Note: In my opinion, I see that no rules here were intentionally broken. Things happen and you need an appropriate solution for when these things occur. If you are a straight "by the rule" type of organization and you have no free-thinkers / decision-makers to use their head in situations like this, criticism and bad publicity will follow KeSPA forever. You can't just go by the rules word for word until something happens that falls clearly and morally outside the spirit and intent of your rule book; then MAYBE make an amendment to said rule for future issues. Correct the issue when it happens, set a precedent, and then go in and create an amendment to the rule. I know how organizations like yours work and all it takes is someone with a brain and the right job title to make the right decision.
Why do people think it's so easy to "just reschedule" ?
Have you ever worked in a broadcast ? I have. There's so many pieces (and money) involved for every broadcast that
rescheduling is just impossible.
Also the schedule between NSSL, GSL and SPL would not allow for a reschedule that would be fair for anyone except maybe ST.
Keep in my that this is shown on TV here, they can't move all the programs because one team failed to show up (wheter or not it's their fault is irrelevant, they were not here).
People like to make analogies, I'll make one. There's an accident, you miss your flight, are you gonna get a refund ? Nop. Doesn't matter why you are not here on time, you are not so you're screwed.
So stop hating on KeSPA just because that's what people do.
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On February 10 2015 13:14 Growiel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 11:36 G5 wrote:On February 10 2015 10:11 Chuddinater wrote:If they showed up at 7 p.m they still would be able to play. We were on the phone with them up to the 7 p.m start time and there was no way they would be able to get to nexon arena in a reasonable time. They were still very far away in traffic at the 7 p.m start time. Listen, I know you have rules set in place for many different reasons and for many different situations. Whether it's to prevent people from taking advantage of situations, ruining program schedules, ensuring that they fulfill commitments etc. However, please take into consideration whom it is your organization actually serves and then enlighten me as to how the decision to DQ them, instead of rescheduling, is a service to your consumer? Note: if you are unaware of who your consumer is, who your organization actually serves, and who your organization relies upon most to keep your organization in business, its ME and everyone like me. We are called fans. We are the people who watch the teams and players you govern. Another Note: In my opinion, I see that no rules here were intentionally broken. Things happen and you need an appropriate solution for when these things occur. If you are a straight "by the rule" type of organization and you have no free-thinkers / decision-makers to use their head in situations like this, criticism and bad publicity will follow KeSPA forever. You can't just go by the rules word for word until something happens that falls clearly and morally outside the spirit and intent of your rule book; then MAYBE make an amendment to said rule for future issues. Correct the issue when it happens, set a precedent, and then go in and create an amendment to the rule. I know how organizations like yours work and all it takes is someone with a brain and the right job title to make the right decision. Why do people think it's so easy to "just reschedule" ? Have you ever worked in a broadcast ? I have. There's so many pieces (and money) involved for every broadcast that rescheduling is just impossible. Also the schedule between NSSL, GSL and SPL would not allow for a reschedule that would be fair for anyone except maybe ST. Keep in my that this is shown on TV here, they can't move all the programs because one team failed to show up (wheter or not it's their fault is irrelevant, they were not here). People like to make analogies, I'll make one. There's an accident, you miss your flight, are you gonna get a refund ? Nop. Doesn't matter why you are not here on time, you are not so you're screwed. So stop hating on KeSPA just because that's what people do.
of course the reason its impossible to rebook is because of how tight Kespa schedules everything. I think this is personally a perfect storm of things. Weird traffic issues+Kespa scheduling thats inflexible. I'm curious if Kespa schedules things differently in the next round to give more leeway if something like this were to happen again.
sports get rescheduled quite a bit in the Us so It's possible. although those are larger and usaually due to safety issues venues being shut down. I can kinda see both sides on this.
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So the moral of the story is that every team should have its own helicopter.
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On February 10 2015 12:30 lichter wrote:I've added Chuddinater's post to the OP. If you still missed it: Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 10:11 Chuddinater wrote:If they showed up at 7 p.m they still would be able to play. We were on the phone with them up to the 7 p.m start time and there was no way they would be able to get to nexon arena in a reasonable time. They were still very far away in traffic at the 7 p.m start time. In other words, StarTale was never going to get there even if they had delayed.
KeSPA did nothing wrong.
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Well... that's just unfortunate...
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I was trying to think what would happen if this were a real sport but I couldn't recall an instance of it happening. They always leave with tonnes of time to spare and do their last practice and warm up at the venue. This DQ sucks but I don't think anyone is to blame.
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And this is why i don't watch proleague. Kespa and their stupid rulings. So you stuck on a snowstorm ? Fuck you. Re-scheduling matches is not something uncommon on any sport.
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Yeah, after really thinking about it, I am pretty neutral on this. At first I was a little disappointed that strings couldn't be pulled in order to make things as fair as possible to both teams, but I guess the scheduling and production stress would be a lot for them to deal with.
While it sucks that ST-Yoe had to be DQ'd that way, they seem to respect it and the case should be closed there. I strongly believe that they will establish more strict rules on arrival times for teams and a safety net for things like this.
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On February 10 2015 16:24 vult wrote:
Yeah, after really thinking about it, I am pretty neutral on this. At first I was a little disappointed that strings couldn't be pulled in order to make things as fair as possible to both teams, but I guess the scheduling and production stress would be a lot for them to deal with.
While it sucks that ST-Yoe had to be DQ'd that way, they seem to respect it and the case should be closed there. I strongly believe that they will establish more strict rules on arrival times for teams and a safety net for things like this.
Hopefully. Wouldn't hurt if they'd learn to communicate better either.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
As far as I am aware, traditional sports only reschedule matches when the unforeseen circumstances affect both teams. This time Jin Air was in the studio already so doing anything but DQing ST-yoe would be a punishment for Jin Air instead.
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Northern Ireland23696 Posts
For most of those 'hating' on KeSPA it is solely due to their bloody appalling lack of communication over the issue leading to speculation and misconceptions arising.
Frankly the organisation has kept SC2 in some state of health in Korea and has done a lot of good for the scene, but Christ do they not have a single press guy?
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On February 10 2015 14:10 forsooth wrote:
So the moral of the story is that every team should have its own helicopter.
I hear thats how Jin Air travels to and from events. Air liner sponsorship paying unseen dividends!!
Seriously though straight up DQ because of a completely impossible thing to predict happening is BS.
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With the explaination I'm kind of neutral. I still wonder what would have happened if ST could have made it into the studio by say 8pm. Still sucks they couldn't have shown SOMETHING though, hell put on a replay of last years proleague finals or something, anything other than the 10 minute thing we got.
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what happenes to the liquibet? that's what I want to know
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On February 10 2015 19:00 Noonius wrote:
what happenes to the liquibet? that's what I want to know
This match will not count.
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normally i would describe the general tl user to be level headed, mature, loves games but not to the point where they shut themselves in the basement and hide from the real world.
from reading this thread my general idea of a tl user just went to shit. the amount of people saying "kespa being kespa", "fuck the rules", "the rules are stupid" etc etc is just mind blowing.
most of you guys need to get your heads out of your asses. the big companies and organisations that do all this dont do it only for the fans. there is money involved and everything is business. if one side doesnt hold up their bargain then shit goes down whether 3rd parties like it or not.
i cant believe people are actually suggesting that the rules be bended and matches should just be rescheduled etc etc
not sure if blatantly ignorant on how the prep for any of these tournaments work or just blindly hating on an organisation which quite frankly is the only reason why esports got big in korea
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Northern Ireland23696 Posts
Not really, read the thread again. Most posters I saw were frustrated/unsure as to the exact circumstances and the lack of specific information. For example most on either side conceded that if ST-Yoe were set to be say, 30 minutes late then perhaps a set forfeit would have been a better decision, but if they were going to be say, 2 hours late then ofc it makes sense to forfeit the match entirely.
Consistency and rules and regulation is something that the industry needs, I believe most would concede. However, I don't believe it's a big ask to expect a more detailed announcement on the stream at the time, or a quicker press release from KeSPA instead of having to rely on Twitter trawling, here-say and conjecture.
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