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On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani
simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.
a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything. Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too. He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?
He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point?
I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not.
edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.
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Expectancy theory at its finest.
Sigh.
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On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5PK9au3.png) Naniwa proving this article right already I hope he will be DQ from WCS. He won't and he shouldn't. but deserve it. True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them. Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.
Eh, progamers are special.
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On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:Naniwa proving this article right already I hope he will be DQ from WCS. He won't and he shouldn't. but deserve it. True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them. Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.
I think he meant that any misstep someone does as top player is blown up a lot more than a misstep from a no-name player. Also, top players will be provoced more. So I can see the point of being more forgiving with top player, without being "double standard".
Also, even if top players are treated differently, so what? They want the best players for the best tournaments to get as many views as possible. If that requires being a bit unfair to some players, I don't see what would stop them.
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On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:Naniwa proving this article right already I hope he will be DQ from WCS. He won't and he shouldn't. but deserve it. True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them. Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/17883-tlnet-ten-commandments
Rule 6.
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On January 18 2015 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani
simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.
a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything. Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too. He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate? He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point? I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not. edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.
Proven: Naniwa winning is a sign of good, fair conditions! 
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aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.
Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.
Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.
On winning tournament, is no doubt Stephano is the best foreigner, however I'm comparing a different era, when Kespa players stepping in to the scene. Naniwa was the only foreigner who can go far in major tournaments full of Koreans and Kespa players. I guess you can say Scarlett was also doing really good in 2013 and early 2014.
OtherWorld: No I'm not Nani fanboy, i'm not even protoss fan. I'm just like everyone else hungry for foreigners doing well in tournaments. With the new WCS system, more chance for foreigners to participate which means more experience and motivations for them, and hopefully we'll see them doing well in other tourneys like IEM or Dreamhack.
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On January 18 2015 18:53 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 18:51 Legio wrote:On January 18 2015 18:46 Nerchio wrote:On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Nerchio respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers lol You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik. Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?". I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains. Out of curiosity, would you ever try to get an opponent disqualified from a tournament if he BM'ed you? Of course not, considering what I did in the past that would be hypocrisy. And as I said in my post, I don't really take any insult towards me too personal inside the game and I think nobody really should unless it's something really bad.
Oh Nerchio. I've ... strongly disliked you for years. First because you were a damn beast, destroying many players I was cheering for in various tournaments. Then because I'm a huge Naniwa fanboy and you guys seemed to be enemies, so of course I'd stand by my champ in the rivalry. 
But now, with these posts you're... mffhhssmgff.... getting my respect. You display a great deal of self distance and perspective here, just as I think Naniwa does. You made a small fan out of me just now. It's always tough to cheer for two guys with a huge rivalry, so I guess this should be interesting.
Btw for those who missed it, my favourite Nani quote from Desrow's show the other day (not verbatim, and credit to Daniel B, a poster in Barcraft Sthlm):
NaNiwa: I don't remember this game being so hard to play but I've improved so much in just a month
XMGToD: But you said you would be the best forigner in one (1) week?
NaNiwa: Yes but I talk alot of shit
:D
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Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!
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On January 18 2015 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani
simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.
a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything. Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too. He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate? He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point? I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not. edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.
Some people are not afraid to show emotions and not afraid to share emotions. And it's clrearly can be seens that half of his posts are filled with sarcasm almost completely. Exactly that post was about Kane us number 1 on ladder while #dreampool, "daed gaem". Soundproofing at IEM? It is a very real issue, streamcheating by Happy? Less likely but the result was different and Happy played an awful decider.
Hate him or love him, more likely u're still going to watch him playing which is going to be positive for viewer numbers.
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I will never, ever, evereverever understand people's opsesion with a player's personality. How can you care about something outside of the game? You think naniwa's personality is awful? You think there are no others like him in other sports? The only problem with naniwa is he communicates with the community and then he hits a wall made by idlers who can never understand what it means to give it your all and try and move the world around you.
The only thing important is that he is fucking good at the game, that he gives us amazing series, allways seeks out new ways to win and that his micro allows him to stop a push warping exatly 1 more zealot. I could not care less even he draws dicks in the chat as long as he plays his all.
I think naniwa is the best thing that happened to foreign starcraft. I don't see how it could not be. He skills set and dedication to win are what few outside of korea have shown during the years.
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On January 18 2015 21:01 mRpolite wrote:
I will never, ever, evereverever understand people's opsesion with a player's personality. How can you care about something outside of the game?
And prizepool gets more attraction than the playerpool or/and tournament itself.
All this phenomenons exist since sc2. I complained this thing for 5 yrs now.
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I enjoyed this Long may he reign.
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Why not You vs Naniwa in real life? Is it because you think you have a slight... disadvantage...?
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On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!
The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.
WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;
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thank you @pms for that handbook site. It also says that players can play the game without any stream.
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Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.
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The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.
WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
If you're such a fan of last year's handbook, try also to count the amount of times Naniwa broke it while insulting his opponent and all russians in general. That's definitely the one to be "punished".
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On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.
When you fuck with people 24/7, they might actually say or do something back at you.
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On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.
Yea but Kane does a lot of that sort of provoking shit. Can't say I sympathise all that much.
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