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Expected but tbh, CS always ment way more to ppl in EU than starcraft until now.
If CSS wouldn't have been such a joke of a game, SC2 would have always been the #2 game on DH
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On December 16 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:47 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings.  Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. SC2 was the best selling RTS of all time, was it not? I wouldn't call that just okay. I could see Overwatch getting big if it has the right support. TF2 has a small but dedicated scene and they have basically 0 support by valve (except for special custom cosmetics, of course!). Being the best selling RTS in 2011-2012 means about as much as being the best long distance swimmer in the Kalahari Desert. No one makes RTS games anymore, because they just don't move the needle like they used to. Also, Darkhorse, I promise, it's actually true this time. Just like all the other times, when it almost happened. Kind of. Oh maybe I missed a joke Unless you're serious and you don't see how poorly Rift/SWTOR/GW2/everything else labeled a WoW killer is doing
It was a joke alluding to how every time an MMO/Moba/ARPG/Card game/mobile app/new monopoly edition etc is released, it's heralded as the inevitable doom of WoW.
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I absolutely hate this decision. Money money money is the word of life.
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CSGO is kinda fun. Better than dota and hearhtstone by far. 
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On December 16 2014 00:49 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings. Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. that's the kind of comment that seeks to destroy my faith in this community. I urge you to go to page 11 and look up the best selling PC game. thank you. http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ESA_EF_2014.pdf//edit: note that they differentiate between Video games and PC/Computer games. With video games including consoles and handhelds.
Key word in that sentence is SELLING. You can't sell a free game like LoL or Dota. Also doesn't include digital sales (Steam), which I imagine is where a lot of CS:GO's sales come from.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
So, from what I hear, there was no designated main stage game in 2014. If I understand correctly (which I think I do), this is no bump down for SC2 rather than a bump up got the obviously most popular Dreamhack game (far more popular than Dota and LoL).
Calm down
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On December 16 2014 00:11 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On December 15 2014 23:56 Boucot wrote:
DreamHack France announced LoL, CS:GO and Hearthstone as the FIRST three games that'll be played. More will come later and with the size of the french SC2 scene, it's pretty safe to assume there will be a SC2 tournament. It actually upsets me that Hearthstone is bigger than Sc2 at this point. I find that game laughably boring, yet a lot people love it for some reason. The game is really fun to play and collect the cards. It's a good example on how to make a card game. As an eSport though it's retarded. Low skill ceiling and huge RNG makes for not very exciting storylines. Plus it's much drier than other eSports (MOBAs aside, I'd rather watch paint dry).
even competitive pokemon is better than hearthstone. seriously.
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Was wondering when this was going to happen, CS has such strong roots in Sweden/Dreamhack.
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Russian Federation232 Posts
On December 15 2014 22:50 OnSpeed wrote:
Out with quality. In with quantity :/
RTS is the true eSports!
i love both SC2 and CS:GO - your statement is a bit silly.
CS:GO is a great game, valve has a long tradition of making great FPS - imo the best ones out there.
CS 1.6 was an amazing esport to watch with great team and personalities.
this has nothing to do with "quantity" of course CS:GO has way more viewers, but it's also a great game.
SC2 has a very limited audience- just look at twitch every day, LoL, DOTA, Heartstone and CS:GO always have triple amount than SC2 - so it's a smart business move on their side - also using a great game.
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On December 16 2014 00:56 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:On December 16 2014 00:47 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings. Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. SC2 was the best selling RTS of all time, was it not? I wouldn't call that just okay. I could see Overwatch getting big if it has the right support. TF2 has a small but dedicated scene and they have basically 0 support by valve (except for special custom cosmetics, of course!). Being the best selling RTS in 2011-2012 means about as much as being the best long distance swimmer in the Kalahari Desert. No one makes RTS games anymore, because they just don't move the needle like they used to. Also, Darkhorse, I promise, it's actually true this time. Just like all the other times, when it almost happened. Kind of. Oh maybe I missed a joke Unless you're serious and you don't see how poorly Rift/SWTOR/GW2/everything else labeled a WoW killer is doing It was a joke alluding to how every time an MMO/Moba/ARPG/Card game/mobile app/new monopoly edition etc is released, it's heralded as the inevitable doom of WoW.
Your sense of humor is always way3sophisticated5me
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On December 16 2014 01:04 Noonius wrote:
DH is going full MLG
Except at least DH is doing it for CS and not CoD
Also DH is still doing SC2 at least
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On December 16 2014 01:05 Darkhorse wrote:Except at least DH is doing it for CS and not CoD Also DH is still doing SC2 at least
well... we hope they're doing sc2 at least.
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United Kingdom1381 Posts
Not surprising, CS:GO has been improving at a rapid rate.
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On December 16 2014 01:05 Darkhorse wrote:Except at least DH is doing it for CS and not CoD Also DH is still doing SC2 at least
CSGO is going to be played in February at the MLG X Games, a crossover with espn or something. It is supposed to be huge. Not sure of MLG even does COD anymore. CS is just taking its rightful place atop all of esports
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On December 16 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:47 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings. Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. SC2 was the best selling RTS of all time, was it not? I wouldn't call that just okay. I could see Overwatch getting big if it has the right support. TF2 has a small but dedicated scene and they have basically 0 support by valve (except for special custom cosmetics, of course!). Being the best selling RTS in 2011-2012 means about as much as being the best long distance swimmer in the Kalahari Desert. No one makes RTS games anymore, because they just don't move the needle like they used to. Also, Darkhorse, I promise, it's actually true this time. Just like all the other times, when it almost happened. Kind of. Oh maybe I missed a joke Unless you're serious and you don't see how poorly Rift/SWTOR/GW2/everything else labeled a WoW killer is doing
Wait, Guild Wars 2 was totally fun for like 1 month before it fell into oblivion. I'm somehow still on the newsletter though.
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On December 16 2014 01:11 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 01:05 Darkhorse wrote:On December 16 2014 01:04 Noonius wrote:
DH is going full MLG
Except at least DH is doing it for CS and not CoD Also DH is still doing SC2 at least CSGO is going to be played in February at the MLG X Games, a crossover with espn or something. It is supposed to be huge. Not sure of MLG even does COD anymore. CS is just taking its rightful place atop all of esports
MLG absolutely still does CoD. It's a little obnoxious :D
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On December 16 2014 01:01 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:49 Doublemint wrote:On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings. Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. that's the kind of comment that seeks to destroy my faith in this community. I urge you to go to page 11 and look up the best selling PC game. thank you. http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ESA_EF_2014.pdf//edit: note that they differentiate between Video games and PC/Computer games. With video games including consoles and handhelds. Key word in that sentence is SELLING. You can't sell a free game like LoL or Dota. Also doesn't include digital sales (Steam), which I imagine is where a lot of CS:GO's sales come from.
who argued otherwise? you are bringing a point to the discussion that has no merit other than... who knows why you bring it here.
I imagine steam also sells games, including CS:GO. an uneducated guess but who knows.
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On December 16 2014 01:04 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:56 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:On December 16 2014 00:47 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On December 16 2014 00:37 Squat wrote:On December 16 2014 00:24 boxerfred wrote:On December 16 2014 00:22 ejozl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is pulling for SC2 and HotS to be the esports. Hearthstone is their casual game and no matter how well it does as an esports they will still keep on designing it as a casual game. I'm betting that in the long run, Hearthstone will make more money than sc2. But that's just a wild guess on salty feelings. Long run? HS is probably more profitable already. Sales for Sc2 were ok, but not great, and Blizzard are running WCS with massive losses. It's a money sink which luckily is also a passion project for some of the big dogs. Sc2 was never going to make real money, it is too hard and asks too much of the players. As for DH, if you a choice between 2 games for the main stage, where one of them pulls 6-7 times the viewers compared to the other one...it's about as easy of a business decision as you're ever likely to make. It has nothing to do with Robert being gone or ded gaem or any of that stuff. It's just business. Edit: Overwatch is going to kill WoW. Trust me. SC2 was the best selling RTS of all time, was it not? I wouldn't call that just okay. I could see Overwatch getting big if it has the right support. TF2 has a small but dedicated scene and they have basically 0 support by valve (except for special custom cosmetics, of course!). Being the best selling RTS in 2011-2012 means about as much as being the best long distance swimmer in the Kalahari Desert. No one makes RTS games anymore, because they just don't move the needle like they used to. Also, Darkhorse, I promise, it's actually true this time. Just like all the other times, when it almost happened. Kind of. Oh maybe I missed a joke Unless you're serious and you don't see how poorly Rift/SWTOR/GW2/everything else labeled a WoW killer is doing It was a joke alluding to how every time an MMO/Moba/ARPG/Card game/mobile app/new monopoly edition etc is released, it's heralded as the inevitable doom of WoW. Your sense of humor is always way3sophisticated5me
I'll try to k33p it str8 from now on m8. I tend to laugh a lot at people falling over and walking into things usually.
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I knew this would happen when Ohlen was removed... Oh well :/
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