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People saying that only Kespa players are top 10. We just had a foreigner bop number 1 and 2 from proleague last season. And he almost beat #4. I'm starting to think people on this forum don't watch StarCraft.
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On September 02 2014 06:45 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 06:43 mikumegurine wrote:On September 02 2014 06:09 Darkhorse wrote:On September 02 2014 05:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 02 2014 05:26 Darkhorse wrote:
Wow everyone wants Flash #1 already
Also can someone complain about the foreigner rank please I want to make people mad too! I mean, do you even  Jim? + Show Spoiler +I'm desperate  Foreigner ranks are dull It was originally a top 10 and he was 7th behind these five and Vortix btw why wasnt it kept a top 10? We (I) deemed it too big and clunky when piled on top of another top 10 ranking. Based on feedback, this may or may not change for future PRs.
5 is fine I think. 10 would be much more volatile I think.
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Impressed by accurate the list is  . Polt sticks out like a sore thumb though, and soO should be a bit higher, I'm glad Cure got mentioned.
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On September 02 2014 07:11 wiilly wrote:
No effort?
Let him win the GSL first 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 02 2014 07:20 wl4d wrote:Let him win the GSL first
#CJFaith
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On September 02 2014 07:13 viperattack999 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 05:57 ssxsilver wrote:On September 02 2014 05:53 MrsrsSC2 wrote:
INnoVation has put up literally no good results in the last 2 months and he's still on the top 10 of Power Rank and top 10 on Aligulac. Almost as overrated as Maru at this point T_T Flash wins zero tournaments prior to 2.1 and is 1 for 1 since, coincidence!?!? Possibly. but legends tend to get the benefit of the doubt. I have a big issue with Rain as #1. I understand he's a great player playing great, but the #1 spot should be reserved for players who've won events recently. I don't believe rains won anything in a long time. Most of the rest of the players on the list have won recently. I'd have preferred Rain anywhere but #1 until he wins something. Top spot should be earned on the big stage.
Not that many of them who you might consider for #1 have won something lately. Obviously Flash and Taeja have, but Maru, soO, Parting haven't. Polt and Inno have too but there is no way they're close to number 1 atm.
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I am very surprised to see Maru at number 2. He has to be the most overhyped player in sc2. He has won one tournament around a year ago and done nothing notable since. He did better than most in the era of protoss because that is his best matchup by a long stretch. He did absolutely nothing in August, or for a few months before that. Top 10? Probably. Rank 2? Come on. There is no justification for this. He played no games cause he didn't qualify for any.
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Gotta get some more Zerg on that list in the next few months! Exciting stuff though. I'm hoping DRG can ascend to godhood...or TRUE.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On September 02 2014 07:33 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I am very surprised to see Maru at number 2. He has to be the most overhyped player in sc2. He has won one tournament around a year ago and done nothing notable since. He did better than most in the era of protoss because that is his best matchup by a long stretch. He did absolutely nothing in August, or for a few months before that. Top 10? Probably. Rank 2? Come on. There is no justification for this. He played no games cause he didn't qualify for any.
Get your facts straight please
On September 02 2014 03:50 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 03:43 Hider wrote:On September 02 2014 01:39 eeZe wrote:As always, there are a few things to take into consideration while reading this Power Rank: - The Power Rank focuses most on the month pertains to, but also takes past results into account
- The Power Rank takes into account both results and the difficulty of opponents faced.
- A player's placement on the Power Rank does not suggest that the player is better or worse than a higher ranked player in head-to-head. This ranking is an overall appraisal of a player, not an attempt to answer the question ”Who beats who?”
So given the above, I just cannot understand how Flash is not rank 1. I don't consider myself a Flash fanboy but given your own descriptions I don't understand how Rain usurps Flash for the month of August. Even in Power Rank toss OP? The point about power-ranking is to determine who likely is the best player right now. In some situations where you do not have lots of short-term, you are therefore forced to rely on older data more (in the case of Maru - where we probably wanna use data for last 3-4 months). In the case of Flash who has played lots of games agaist top quality players in July and August, we do not need to look any further back in order to determine he probably - along with Rain is the hottest player right now. Regarding Maru, there is just a tiny too uncertainty regarding his current form and he has been losing to Effort that Flash won against, and Flash won the 1on1. We know Flash is pretty !@#$%^&* good right now, and his results are probably better than Maru's results ever were. Hence, it doens't make sense to argue that Maru here was better than Flash 4 months ago and thus deserves to be higher ranked. If that's the argument of Zealously, it's a misunderstanding of the typical intention of making a powerrank. Flash vs Rain is debateable. They are probably the two favourites going into winning the current GSL, thus it can be defended to put Rain above Flash.
Not true. Maru in the last year
Best player in 2014 Proleague, if you count the playoff wins
1st WCS KR S2 (OSL)
3rd/4th WCS KR S3
3rd/4th WCS S3 Finals
3rd/4th WCS Global Finals
3rd/4th Hotsix cup
Top 8 in GSL 2014 S1
3rd/4th GSL 2014 S2
Flash now won 1 IEM and is still in the Ro16 of Code S
And winning OSL > winning IEM
But I agree that Maru might be a bit too high, and that Flash is in better form at the moment
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Man you guys need to put these ranks out at the end of Wcs seasons not after ro32 then none later on..
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United States23455 Posts
On September 02 2014 07:36 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Man you guys need to put these ranks out at the end of Wcs seasons not after ro32 then none later on..
Who said there would be none later on?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 02 2014 07:36 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Man you guys need to put these ranks out at the end of Wcs seasons not after ro32 then none later on..
No, these will be coming out on the 1st every month unless there is a tournament that concludes on the 2nd.
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On September 02 2014 07:35 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 07:33 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I am very surprised to see Maru at number 2. He has to be the most overhyped player in sc2. He has won one tournament around a year ago and done nothing notable since. He did better than most in the era of protoss because that is his best matchup by a long stretch. He did absolutely nothing in August, or for a few months before that. Top 10? Probably. Rank 2? Come on. There is no justification for this. He played no games cause he didn't qualify for any. Get your facts straight please Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 03:50 Lorning wrote:On September 02 2014 03:43 Hider wrote:On September 02 2014 01:39 eeZe wrote:As always, there are a few things to take into consideration while reading this Power Rank: - The Power Rank focuses most on the month pertains to, but also takes past results into account
- The Power Rank takes into account both results and the difficulty of opponents faced.
- A player's placement on the Power Rank does not suggest that the player is better or worse than a higher ranked player in head-to-head. This ranking is an overall appraisal of a player, not an attempt to answer the question ”Who beats who?”
</div> I think So given the above, I just cannot understand how Flash is not rank 1. I don't consider myself a Flash fanboy but given your own descriptions I don't understand how Rain usurps Flash for the month of August. Even in Power Rank toss OP? The point about power-ranking is to determine who likely is the best player right now. In some situations where you do not have lots of short-term, you are therefore forced to rely on older data more (in the case of Maru - where we probably wanna use data for last 3-4 months). In the case of Flash who has played lots of games agaist top quality players in July and August, we do not need to look any further back in order to determine he probably - along with Rain is the hottest player right now. Regarding Maru, there is just a tiny too uncertainty regarding his current form and he has been losing to Effort that Flash won against, and Flash won the 1on1. We know Flash is pretty !@#$%^&* good right now, and his results are probably better than Maru's results ever were. Hence, it doens't make sense to argue that Maru here was better than Flash 4 months ago and thus deserves to be higher ranked. If that's the argument of Zealously, it's a misunderstanding of the typical intention of making a powerrank. Flash vs Rain is debateable. They are probably the two favourites going into winning the current GSL, thus it can be defended to put Rain above Flash. Not true. Maru in the last year Best player in 2014 Proleague, if you count the playoff wins 1st WCS KR S2 (OSL) 3rd/4th WCS KR S3 3rd/4th WCS S3 Finals 3rd/4th WCS Global Finals 3rd/4th Hotsix cup Top 8 in GSL 2014 S1 3rd/4th GSL 2014 S2 Flash now won 1 IEM and is still in the Ro16 of Code S And winning OSL > winning IEM But I agree that Maru might be a bit too high, and that Flash is in better form at the moment
I think when you start quoting 2013 results to justify august 14 power rank your arguments fall down a little. But hugs
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On September 02 2014 07:40 SpunXtain20 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 07:35 Lorning wrote:On September 02 2014 07:33 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I am very surprised to see Maru at number 2. He has to be the most overhyped player in sc2. He has won one tournament around a year ago and done nothing notable since. He did better than most in the era of protoss because that is his best matchup by a long stretch. He did absolutely nothing in August, or for a few months before that. Top 10? Probably. Rank 2? Come on. There is no justification for this. He played no games cause he didn't qualify for any. Get your facts straight please On September 02 2014 03:50 Lorning wrote:On September 02 2014 03:43 Hider wrote:On September 02 2014 01:39 eeZe wrote:As always, there are a few things to take into consideration while reading this Power Rank: - The Power Rank focuses most on the month pertains to, but also takes past results into account
- The Power Rank takes into account both results and the difficulty of opponents faced.
- A player's placement on the Power Rank does not suggest that the player is better or worse than a higher ranked player in head-to-head. This ranking is an overall appraisal of a player, not an attempt to answer the question ”Who beats who?”
I think So given the above, I just cannot understand how Flash is not rank 1. I don't consider myself a Flash fanboy but given your own descriptions I don't understand how Rain usurps Flash for the month of August. Even in Power Rank toss OP? The point about power-ranking is to determine who likely is the best player right now. In some situations where you do not have lots of short-term, you are therefore forced to rely on older data more (in the case of Maru - where we probably wanna use data for last 3-4 months). In the case of Flash who has played lots of games agaist top quality players in July and August, we do not need to look any further back in order to determine he probably - along with Rain is the hottest player right now. Regarding Maru, there is just a tiny too uncertainty regarding his current form and he has been losing to Effort that Flash won against, and Flash won the 1on1. We know Flash is pretty !@#$%^&* good right now, and his results are probably better than Maru's results ever were. Hence, it doens't make sense to argue that Maru here was better than Flash 4 months ago and thus deserves to be higher ranked. If that's the argument of Zealously, it's a misunderstanding of the typical intention of making a powerrank. Flash vs Rain is debateable. They are probably the two favourites going into winning the current GSL, thus it can be defended to put Rain above Flash. Not true. Maru in the last year Best player in 2014 Proleague, if you count the playoff wins 1st WCS KR S2 (OSL) 3rd/4th WCS KR S3 3rd/4th WCS S3 Finals 3rd/4th WCS Global Finals 3rd/4th Hotsix cup Top 8 in GSL 2014 S1 3rd/4th GSL 2014 S2 Flash now won 1 IEM and is still in the Ro16 of Code S And winning OSL > winning IEM But I agree that Maru might be a bit too high, and that Flash is in better form at the moment
I think when you start quoting 2013 results to justify august 14 power rank your arguments fall down a little. But hugs
You said he had nothing notable since his OSL win. I showed you he actually did
and Best player in 2014 Proleague, if you count the playoff wins
Top 8 in GSL 2014 S1
3rd/4th GSL 2014 S2
are from 2014. And he's been the terran hope in Korea since his OSL win
But I guess he's just overrated
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On September 02 2014 05:28 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 05:26 NotSorry wrote:It's okay God will forgive you dirty heathens for not realizing his rightful place at #1. On September 02 2014 05:26 Darkhorse wrote:
Wow everyone wants Flash #1 already
Also can someone complain about the foreigner rank please I want to make people mad too! Sorry man, but when I heard foreigner top 5 those were exactly who came to my mind I guess I did a good job then. Still I want RAGE
NO HUK f*** you man, no seriously, HuK prob better than major right now I think, major only good cause his TvT OP and he kills violet and polt
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On September 02 2014 07:16 MASTERCAKES wrote:
People saying that only Kespa players are top 10. We just had a foreigner bop number 1 and 2 from proleague last season. And he almost beat #4. I'm starting to think people on this forum don't watch StarCraft.
Wrong he beat 2 and 3 and almost 4, maru was first not hero, but I know where you are comin from with this
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On September 02 2014 07:26 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 07:13 viperattack999 wrote:On September 02 2014 05:57 ssxsilver wrote:On September 02 2014 05:53 MrsrsSC2 wrote:
INnoVation has put up literally no good results in the last 2 months and he's still on the top 10 of Power Rank and top 10 on Aligulac. Almost as overrated as Maru at this point T_T Flash wins zero tournaments prior to 2.1 and is 1 for 1 since, coincidence!?!? Possibly. but legends tend to get the benefit of the doubt. I have a big issue with Rain as #1. I understand he's a great player playing great, but the #1 spot should be reserved for players who've won events recently. I don't believe rains won anything in a long time. Most of the rest of the players on the list have won recently. I'd have preferred Rain anywhere but #1 until he wins something. Top spot should be earned on the big stage. Not that many of them who you might consider for #1 have won something lately. Obviously Flash and Taeja have, but Maru, soO, Parting haven't. Polt and Inno have too but there is no way they're close to number 1 atm.
Zest would be my #1 with Flash #2, Rain #3.
If its just about August then its Flash. If we take in consideration play before august then it has to be Zest. How Rain gets placed #1 is baffling. I cant put together a scenario where he gets #1 under any criteria. .
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On September 02 2014 07:46 viperattack999 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 07:26 Phredxor wrote:On September 02 2014 07:13 viperattack999 wrote:On September 02 2014 05:57 ssxsilver wrote:On September 02 2014 05:53 MrsrsSC2 wrote:
INnoVation has put up literally no good results in the last 2 months and he's still on the top 10 of Power Rank and top 10 on Aligulac. Almost as overrated as Maru at this point T_T Flash wins zero tournaments prior to 2.1 and is 1 for 1 since, coincidence!?!? Possibly. but legends tend to get the benefit of the doubt. I have a big issue with Rain as #1. I understand he's a great player playing great, but the #1 spot should be reserved for players who've won events recently. I don't believe rains won anything in a long time. Most of the rest of the players on the list have won recently. I'd have preferred Rain anywhere but #1 until he wins something. Top spot should be earned on the big stage. Not that many of them who you might consider for #1 have won something lately. Obviously Flash and Taeja have, but Maru, soO, Parting haven't. Polt and Inno have too but there is no way they're close to number 1 atm. Zest would be my #1 with Flash #2, Rain #3. If its just about August then its Flash. If we take in consideration play before august then it has to be Zest. How Rain gets placed #1 is baffling. I cant put together a scenario where he gets #1 under any criteria. . These three are top-3, while the order is arguable. Rain is very, very good. But is he the best?
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On September 02 2014 07:44 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 07:16 MASTERCAKES wrote:
People saying that only Kespa players are top 10. We just had a foreigner bop number 1 and 2 from proleague last season. And he almost beat #4. I'm starting to think people on this forum don't watch StarCraft. Wrong he beat 2 and 3 and almost 4, maru was first not hero, but I know where you are comin from with this
No, Maru wasn't oficially first. The playoff games don't count.
Also, sick power rank! I would probably do some little adjustments here and there, but I think this is finally a power rank I may completely stay behind!
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