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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
July 23 2014 11:19 GMT
#121
On July 23 2014 20:06 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene

PL is still alive, the scene is not dying

Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 23 2014 11:21 GMT
#122
On July 23 2014 20:19 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:06 Lorning wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene

PL is still alive, the scene is not dying

Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams.


PL has confirmed at least one more season
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Calt
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland1140 Posts
July 23 2014 11:21 GMT
#123
While its sad that IM will probably be disbanding based on this, people are making it a bigger deal than they should. Next season of proleague has for all intents and purposes already been confirmed and I'd be fine if they downsized it to 6 teams but even that is not certain, they could still go with 8 even with IM gone.

"RIP scene" my ass ~_~
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2014 11:23 GMT
#124
On July 23 2014 20:21 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:19 Squat wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:06 Lorning wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene

PL is still alive, the scene is not dying

Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams.


PL has confirmed at least one more season


Not trying to doomsay here but the STX coach/head guy also announced that STX was not disbanding live on stage when STX won PL. We can't really take a forum post as complete confirmation. All signs point to proleague continuing in some form though.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
July 23 2014 11:27 GMT
#125
oh my god :O
Vasacast always in my <3
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 23 2014 11:29 GMT
#126
"The scene is not dying." Maybe dying isn't the word you want, but declining? Definitely.

Really sad about IM though, seems just a while ago they were looking positive with LG and one of the teams we though were safe from disband. Sadly we'll see more teams/players going away. Wouldn't be surprise to see a few merges between non-original Kespa teams.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 11:35:03
July 23 2014 11:33 GMT
#127
On July 23 2014 20:29 Thrillz wrote:
"The scene is not dying." Maybe dying isn't the word you want, but declining? Definitely.

Ever since the bw teams switching over the Korean sc2 scene (referring to pro players) has been too big for its own good. Consolidation has just taken too long, which makes it seem more painful than neccessary.
Off-season = best season
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
July 23 2014 11:36 GMT
#128
On July 23 2014 20:21 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:19 Squat wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:06 Lorning wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene

PL is still alive, the scene is not dying

Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams.


PL has confirmed at least one more season


I hope it will be longer than just one more season. Without Proleague you'd have no Jin Air Green Wings, SKT1, KT Rolster or Samsung Galaxy Khan. The teams would just disband and all these players would be without teams. Some would be picked up but a lot wouldn't and would have to retire. It would be the beginning of the end for StarCraft in Korea.

That said I think Proleague will be safe. I can't see it stopping. What kind of viewer numbers do SPOTV get in Korea from the Korean viewers?
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WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
July 23 2014 11:43 GMT
#129
EGMVP
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 23 2014 11:51 GMT
#130
On July 23 2014 20:33 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:29 Thrillz wrote:
"The scene is not dying." Maybe dying isn't the word you want, but declining? Definitely.

Ever since the bw teams switching over the Korean sc2 scene (referring to pro players) has been too big for its own good. Consolidation has just taken too long, which makes it seem more painful than neccessary.


But it is declining, even if you want to excuse the loss of team/players because of the influx of kespa. Viewership, threads, have gotten smaller. Let's not get doom and gloom and say it'll be dead soon, but to say it's going as expected or there not need to worry is just shortsighted. It's trending downwards sadly or at the very least stagnating.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
July 23 2014 11:54 GMT
#131
On July 23 2014 20:36 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:21 lichter wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:19 Squat wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:06 Lorning wrote:
On July 23 2014 19:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
This is really the end of an era. RIP SC2 Proleague, RIP scene

PL is still alive, the scene is not dying

Do we know anything about PL's status? Seems like they're running out of teams.


PL has confirmed at least one more season


I hope it will be longer than just one more season. Without Proleague you'd have no Jin Air Green Wings, SKT1, KT Rolster or Samsung Galaxy Khan. The teams would just disband and all these players would be without teams. Some would be picked up but a lot wouldn't and would have to retire. It would be the beginning of the end for StarCraft in Korea.

That said I think Proleague will be safe. I can't see it stopping. What kind of viewer numbers do SPOTV get in Korea from the Korean viewers?

Sonic Proleague is still around. If that happens, they can join their old teams if they'd like.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
July 23 2014 11:55 GMT
#132
Wow, IM Once the team with all the championships and sponsors is functionally no more - even if it lasts a little longer. Amazing that MVP and Prime who were both hurting for so long are looking to outlive the beast that is IM.
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Nebulem
Profile Joined May 2014
71 Posts
July 23 2014 12:00 GMT
#133
so sudden, this is the end of an era.
t.(-.-)z
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 23 2014 12:07 GMT
#134
Oh shit. That's some event right there.
End of an era.
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States699 Posts
July 23 2014 12:08 GMT
#135
While I do keep in mind the whole STX-lying to us thing, I'm fairly positive Proleague is happy with what's happening in terms of viewership (live especially!)

Besides, I'm guessing IM will be absorbed by Startale and we'll have Startale in Kespa.

*butseriouslyproleagueplzi'mgoingtokoreanextyeariwanttogotoproleague;o;*
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
July 23 2014 12:10 GMT
#136
On July 23 2014 21:08 ZombieGrub wrote:
While I do keep in mind the whole STX-lying to us thing, I'm fairly positive Proleague is happy with what's happening in terms of viewership (live especially!)

Besides, I'm guessing IM will be absorbed by Startale and we'll have Startale in Kespa.

*butseriouslyproleagueplzi'mgoingtokoreanextyeariwanttogotoproleague;o;*

Decided to cash in on that monster donation?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44272 Posts
July 23 2014 12:15 GMT
#137
First Nestea leaves, and now Mvp... IM has let go two of the winningest players of all time. But I guess since their time has past and they're not really showing results anymore, it makes sense not to renew their contracts.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
July 23 2014 12:22 GMT
#138
don't think there is much left to say
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
Tngabor
Profile Joined December 2013
Serbia60 Posts
July 23 2014 12:24 GMT
#139
Oh IM : (
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States699 Posts
July 23 2014 12:24 GMT
#140
On July 23 2014 21:10 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:08 ZombieGrub wrote:
While I do keep in mind the whole STX-lying to us thing, I'm fairly positive Proleague is happy with what's happening in terms of viewership (live especially!)

Besides, I'm guessing IM will be absorbed by Startale and we'll have Startale in Kespa.

*butseriouslyproleagueplzi'mgoingtokoreanextyeariwanttogotoproleague;o;*

Decided to cash in on that monster donation?



haha why does everyone assume I use that for other reasons when it clearly went to IEM Canada

I'mma be teaching English chu know.

On the topic again, I wonder if it's possible they'll simply fill their roster with lesser-knowns. Someone pointed out that's what they did for their LoL team. It's not the same as having heavy hitters on their team but.
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