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A tough decision. (BabyKnight retires) - Page 13

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terranimbastimamove
Profile Joined August 2012
United States81 Posts
May 22 2014 14:01 GMT
#241
he'll be back... they always come back
shanaaa
Profile Joined April 2013
France7 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 14:03:50
May 22 2014 14:02 GMT
#242
On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
There's a call to arms in the millenium nation wars thread, "come on let's go on TL to stir shit up in the BBK retirement thread!"


that was obviously a joke...-_- (2nd degree)

The only reason why Millenium's fan come here to post is that BBK can read this thread, not those on Millenium's forum (because we speak french on it)...After 6 months (maybe more..?), we can finally tell him that he was a non-appreciated guy for so many reasons...

On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Tells more about millenium people than it tells about BBK, honestly.


Did he mention or thanks his team on his "tough decision" speech ? Not a single word...And I'm pretty sure M was nos aware of his retirement, because there's no official statement...

What a classy player...
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
May 22 2014 14:26 GMT
#243
gl hf in doters!
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
May 22 2014 14:32 GMT
#244
Sad to see you go ;/ you've done a good job with Protoss. I'm glad you didn't leave for LoL at least. Well GLHF in the future!
- I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people - Jack Black
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 22 2014 14:33 GMT
#245
So saddened by this. I don't generally like a lot of protoss players but Babyknight seemed like one of the awesome ones. Too bad he's making a switch. Ah well, I was gonna watch more Dota this year anyway.


We'll miss you
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
May 22 2014 14:44 GMT
#246
Respect to you BabyKnight !
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
May 22 2014 14:50 GMT
#247
On May 22 2014 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 21:35 y0su wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:21 insitelol wrote:
On May 22 2014 19:42 Lorch wrote:
I really really don't get this. Personally, I really really enjoy playing a somewhat hard game (though fairly easy compared to bw) with a skill gap that you'll probably never reach. Starcraft 2 has been my favourite game to play for over 2 years now and I often find myself not playing other games/finishing singleplayer games because I just end up playing starcraft. By no means am I pro and I don't even play in online tournaments, I simply enjoy constantly improving in a game that puts all responsibility on myself. Especially given that nowadays most games are made to be as accessible for newbies as possible (or how I like to call it made so your grandma can be good at it) I just really appreciate how hard starcraft is if you don't have any experience in bw/war3. I think hots is far better and more fun to play than wol and I find mobas to be very unfun to play for several reasons.

So you might wanna be careful with the word everyone, as there are plenty of people who genuinely enjoy playing star 2. I think it's more of a matter of people preferring team games and not being able to deal with the pressure that comes with playing 1 v 1. I mean 1 v 1 games have always been less popular than team games, kinda how 5 v 5 CS ended up being way more popular than 1 v 1 Quake.

Also I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap. I couldn't care less about someones ethical background, jesus I watch pro gamers because I wanna be blown away by how good they are, not by them speaking English or being funny on camera. Koreans work the hardest and put in the most amount of time while showing the highest quality of games so they deserve to be in the dominant position they are in. I personally prefer watching whoever shows the best games not who has the same skin color as I.

Quoted for truth.

trepeated.

Besides games that I play socially I really haven't played anything but SC2 for the past ~ 4 years.

To the both of you quoting Lorch and Lorch himself, you all totally missed the point. Now don't get me wrong, I love your passion for SC2 and it is a great game, but I want to break this down.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 19:42 Lorch wrote:
I really really don't get this

As much as you three like Starcraft, it's okay for someone to get tired of playing a game. This is BabyKnight's HoTS retirement thread and he took the time to explain his decision. What is there to not get!?!

Show nested quote +
So you might wanna be careful with the word everyone, as there are plenty of people who genuinely enjoy playing star 2.

What the hell does this mean? This is BabyKnights explanation of why HE is retiring. It doesn't mean that is the opinion of every person playing Starcraft professionally. Whether you are pro or anti SC2, Idk why anyone needs to think that he's trying to brainwash the community into thinking the game is no longer fun.
Show nested quote +

Also I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap.

So you went from:
I don't get this retirement post ->I really like this game so I don't get why he retires ->You think SC2 is greater then MOBAS ->I get why he retires, it's because for some reason people like team games (not that this was "one of the toughest decisions of life" and he wants to try something new) ->Some random comparison to FPS games ->I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap

Your train of thought is all over the place here man. Why are you trying to incite so many ideas in someones head at once? And for the people of QFT this post, what part of it are you refering to here? How about a more high content reply supporting whichever of the 10 thoughts in the original post you are supporting.


If you'd be capable of understanding how quotations work you'd realize that my post was not a reply to babyknight's statement whatsover. I was simply talking about a) a dude saying that we all know that playing star 2 is no fun and b) people saying star 2 was shit because of Korean dominance.
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
May 22 2014 15:04 GMT
#248
On May 22 2014 18:35 nimdil wrote:
En Taro Adun, Great Son of Aiur.



^^ This
www.twitch.tv/jornada28 Master Protoss. Follow me on Twitter for SC2 Updates https://twitter.com/#!/elelvlent
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8708 Posts
May 22 2014 15:14 GMT
#249
On May 22 2014 23:02 shanaaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
There's a call to arms in the millenium nation wars thread, "come on let's go on TL to stir shit up in the BBK retirement thread!"


that was obviously a joke...-_- (2nd degree)

The only reason why Millenium's fan come here to post is that BBK can read this thread, not those on Millenium's forum (because we speak french on it)...After 6 months (maybe more..?), we can finally tell him that he was a non-appreciated guy for so many reasons...

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Tells more about millenium people than it tells about BBK, honestly.


Did he mention or thanks his team on his "tough decision" speech ? Not a single word...And I'm pretty sure M was nos aware of his retirement, because there's no official statement...

What a classy player...


This is obviously not the perfect place for this question, but now that you are the second frenchman saying BBK was not all that much liked by the team - what's the deal with that?
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
magicturtle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States35 Posts
May 22 2014 15:16 GMT
#250
You will never be forgotten!
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 22 2014 15:24 GMT
#251
God damnit, I just liquibetted you.

+ Show Spoiler +
Good luck in the future, you were always a fun dark horse to watch
For Aiur???
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
May 22 2014 15:33 GMT
#252
Omg! Start going for black king bar every game and your new nick will be bkbbbk. Awesome name!

GL bkbbbk!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 15:47:20
May 22 2014 15:44 GMT
#253
On May 22 2014 23:50 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:35 y0su wrote:
On May 22 2014 21:21 insitelol wrote:
On May 22 2014 19:42 Lorch wrote:
I really really don't get this. Personally, I really really enjoy playing a somewhat hard game (though fairly easy compared to bw) with a skill gap that you'll probably never reach. Starcraft 2 has been my favourite game to play for over 2 years now and I often find myself not playing other games/finishing singleplayer games because I just end up playing starcraft. By no means am I pro and I don't even play in online tournaments, I simply enjoy constantly improving in a game that puts all responsibility on myself. Especially given that nowadays most games are made to be as accessible for newbies as possible (or how I like to call it made so your grandma can be good at it) I just really appreciate how hard starcraft is if you don't have any experience in bw/war3. I think hots is far better and more fun to play than wol and I find mobas to be very unfun to play for several reasons.

So you might wanna be careful with the word everyone, as there are plenty of people who genuinely enjoy playing star 2. I think it's more of a matter of people preferring team games and not being able to deal with the pressure that comes with playing 1 v 1. I mean 1 v 1 games have always been less popular than team games, kinda how 5 v 5 CS ended up being way more popular than 1 v 1 Quake.

Also I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap. I couldn't care less about someones ethical background, jesus I watch pro gamers because I wanna be blown away by how good they are, not by them speaking English or being funny on camera. Koreans work the hardest and put in the most amount of time while showing the highest quality of games so they deserve to be in the dominant position they are in. I personally prefer watching whoever shows the best games not who has the same skin color as I.

Quoted for truth.

trepeated.

Besides games that I play socially I really haven't played anything but SC2 for the past ~ 4 years.

To the both of you quoting Lorch and Lorch himself, you all totally missed the point. Now don't get me wrong, I love your passion for SC2 and it is a great game, but I want to break this down.

On May 22 2014 19:42 Lorch wrote:
I really really don't get this

As much as you three like Starcraft, it's okay for someone to get tired of playing a game. This is BabyKnight's HoTS retirement thread and he took the time to explain his decision. What is there to not get!?!

So you might wanna be careful with the word everyone, as there are plenty of people who genuinely enjoy playing star 2.

What the hell does this mean? This is BabyKnights explanation of why HE is retiring. It doesn't mean that is the opinion of every person playing Starcraft professionally. Whether you are pro or anti SC2, Idk why anyone needs to think that he's trying to brainwash the community into thinking the game is no longer fun.

Also I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap.

So you went from:
I don't get this retirement post ->I really like this game so I don't get why he retires ->You think SC2 is greater then MOBAS ->I get why he retires, it's because for some reason people like team games (not that this was "one of the toughest decisions of life" and he wants to try something new) ->Some random comparison to FPS games ->I really don't understand all the foreigner vs korean crap

Your train of thought is all over the place here man. Why are you trying to incite so many ideas in someones head at once? And for the people of QFT this post, what part of it are you refering to here? How about a more high content reply supporting whichever of the 10 thoughts in the original post you are supporting.


If you'd be capable of understanding how quotations work you'd realize that my post was not a reply to babyknight's statement whatsover. I was simply talking about a) a dude saying that we all know that playing star 2 is no fun and b) people saying star 2 was shit because of Korean dominance.

I didn't realize the guy who quoted you didn't quote the whole post. Sorry. That's why reading your post was confusing.
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
May 22 2014 16:06 GMT
#254
At least we don't lose him to LoL, would an elitist SC2 player now say. I would say "whatever you think is best for you."
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
thekaas
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark235 Posts
May 22 2014 16:12 GMT
#255
On May 22 2014 23:02 shanaaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
There's a call to arms in the millenium nation wars thread, "come on let's go on TL to stir shit up in the BBK retirement thread!"


that was obviously a joke...-_- (2nd degree)

The only reason why Millenium's fan come here to post is that BBK can read this thread, not those on Millenium's forum (because we speak french on it)...After 6 months (maybe more..?), we can finally tell him that he was a non-appreciated guy for so many reasons...

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 20:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Tells more about millenium people than it tells about BBK, honestly.


Did he mention or thanks his team on his "tough decision" speech ? Not a single word...And I'm pretty sure M was nos aware of his retirement, because there's no official statement...

What a classy player...

C'mon, now you're just drawing conclusions from pure speculation.
My liquibets are slightly better than flipping a coin
OldLadyStarCraft
Profile Joined November 2013
United States66 Posts
May 22 2014 16:15 GMT
#256
Good luck. Enjoyed your games. Smart to do what's best for you. SC2 can be a lonely game while Dota2 has the camaraderie of the team, supporting each other in losing and celebrating with you in winning (you would hope). Yes, there are teams in SC2 but often you are not close geographically or socially and the pressure to win lies on your shoulders alone. GLHF
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
May 22 2014 16:31 GMT
#257
gl hf Babyknight! Sad to see you go
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 16:45:23
May 22 2014 16:45 GMT
#258
On May 22 2014 19:04 Hyge wrote:
Thats a good decision. Starcraft has a limited time left and koreans are fkin everywhere making tournaments boring. Good luck.

Quite the opposite!
Moderatorlickypiddy
YesNoMaybeDunno
Profile Joined April 2013
27 Posts
May 22 2014 16:47 GMT
#259
Having read this thread and other threads in which the SC2 community expresses its thoughts on DOTA2 I must point out that there is a big misconception in how RTS fans perceive DOTA2. The mechanical requirements for DOTA2 are very low. This means that having the best micro in SC2 or being a beastly macro Zerg will help you in absolutely no way in DOTA2 and that you need to learn different things in order to be good at the game. Its true that DOTA is a team game but I'll include and individual player example to illustrate exactly what I mean. There are moments when the carry player which is supposed to be most efficient in his play and movements has to literary stop playing the game for 30 seconds and "hide in the trees". To DOTA players this is good map awareness, good game knowledge, good read on the game and "knowing what's going on". To SC2 players this is a paradox. Because "how can not pressing a single button for 30 seconds be considered skill". Yet this player will never feed kills and win games. Whereas Select and his 400 APM will never win mid, never RP on time and usually feed kills that no semi-pro dota player would feed.
On the news at hand. Babyknight retired from DOTA at a time when only Chinese teams (and Na'VI) were playing it like a team game. The western scene back then was all about being good at farming and buying BoT as 1st item and hard carries playing a central role. DOTA has changed a lot since then. My advice for him would be to attempt to learn the game that DOTA has become and not to stick to his understanding of the game he used to play. He had sick reactions in DOTA1 and I am pretty sure SC2 sharpened them even more.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
May 22 2014 16:49 GMT
#260
gl hf babyknight.
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