EPTSocke & MLG etc doesnt count because tournament paid travel&flights stuff.
Do you see the "problem" now with eu teams? Sponsors of eu teams want this: "only eu, nothing else".
mousesports and Dear part ways - Page 12
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Dingodile
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Socke & MLG etc doesnt count because tournament paid travel&flights stuff. Do you see the "problem" now with eu teams? Sponsors of eu teams want this: "only eu, nothing else". | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
Shoulda coulda woulda kept his top-form. Being a pro ain't easy. You want a payday? Show some results - especially if you don't stream/show any personality. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:05 johnbongham wrote: Screw blaming the team. Dear probably wanted a ridiculous salary which mous decided was worth it for a top level player. The player than proceeded to be absolutely terrible and not at all worth the money he was being paid compared to the domestic EU team members > he gets dropped. Shoulda coulda woulda kept his top-form. Being a pro ain't easy. You want a payday? Show some results - especially if you don't stream/show any personality. mouz went all-in on Dear, hiring a coach and a translator to accomodate him and dropping Mana. Booting him after only a few months is stupid and the blame lies with mouz, not Dear. If you're willing to go through all that to get a big name player like Dear, you better be prepared to let him adjust. mouz wasn't prepared to and now they have not only lost their by far best player, their reputation took another hit. | ||
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johnbongham
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:05 johnbongham wrote: Screw blaming the team. Dear probably wanted a ridiculous salary which mous decided was worth it for a top level player. The player than proceeded to be absolutely terrible and not at all worth the money he was being paid compared to the domestic EU team members > he gets dropped. Shoulda coulda woulda kept his top-form. Being a pro ain't easy. You want a payday? Show some results - especially if you don't stream/show any personality. 2nd place ASUS ROG, Top 8 IEM WC after going through the open bracket. "Absolutely terrible". Yeah ok buddy. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:11 johnbongham wrote: This is the big leagues - you dont get time to adjust. In real sports they send you back to the d-league. Pros are paid to win and win NOW. On April 12 2014 03:13 johnbongham wrote: This kind of stuff gives me way more respect for other Korean pros who didn't abandon their teams as soon as they won a tournament or two in order to get cash in on a fat payday from a foreign team. If you want to play that game you better back it up. You're not very well-informed, are you? | ||
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Littlebert
United Kingdom36 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:19 Littlebert wrote: I really hope he can recover from these bad times and come back and show mouz they made a terrible mistake dropping him. maybe he can join EG or some other team in ATC, and then All Kill Mousesports?.... | ||
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Littlebert
United Kingdom36 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:13 johnbongham wrote: This kind of stuff gives me way more respect for other Korean pros who didn't abandon their teams as soon as they won a tournament or two in order to get cash in on a fat payday from a foreign team. If you want to play that game you better back it up. Yeah his team kind of died after winning Proleague | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
Did he even win a GSL ?? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 12 2014 04:07 lantz wrote: Well no point in keeping him since he's not Code S Did he even win a GSL ?? Yes | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On April 12 2014 04:07 lantz wrote: Well no point in keeping him since he's not Code S Did he even win a GSL ?? GSL AND the World Championship Series right afterwards compare those accomplishments to other players...yea | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On April 12 2014 02:47 Shinta) wrote: I have a pretty strong opinion about this....... 1) First, mouz drops their international players saying "we are a strong European team". Then they lose and lose and finally pick up a Korean. Then they say "well, only because we are a strong European team, we'll part with our international players again". mouz needs to man up and stick to something. Either never pick up another non-European again, or stop being a shitty team to your players. The recurrence of this nonsense is really getting on my nerves. 2) This is terrible for Dear's early life international experience. He joined a foreign team to be able to travel and enjoy new benefits, but his gateway has disappointingly abandoned him due to selfish reasons. 3) If Dear has the shear will to be the best SC2 player, he can now focus on Korea and get himself back into shape. mouz had nothing to offer him but a chance to travel more. If he wants, he can use this chance to travel less but be a much better player than he was on mouz. what do you mean by 'dropping their international players'? They're only 'international' player (by which I guess you mean non-European) was Illusion, and he definitely was no game-changer for mouz, he was simply one of the 'talents'. Sure, they needed a Korean ace if they wanted to compete with Acer and Liquid, but they didn't 'lose and lose', even without Koreans it was EXTREMELY close (3 flippin map wins) as to who would make ATC Season 2 playoffs between Liquid, Axiom and Mouz. There was no recurrence. It is very normal for contracts to be short-term on the first relationship between an employer and an employee, and if it isn't short term, there's usually a probation period in the contract. Many countries have probation periods in the law itself, where the employer can terminate the employee's contract without getting sued for wrongful termination. There's nothing stopping Dear from complaining about his experience in mouz; he isn't, he's actually grateful for the opportunities (including him staying at their HQ in Germany for a time), so why are you doing it for him? If mouz is a shitty team to their players, then what is a good team? Quantic? LYGF? Eclypsia? >.> | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
man, I hope he find a team to display his true potential but a scary time to be a free agent especially a korean player. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
Facepalm. People forget so fast T.T On a different note: This guys is a champion, top-tier player who is down on his luck. Whoever picks him up is going to be picking up the real deal. What Mouz did sucks, but Dear will come through. Dear Hwaiting | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
First with Illusion's abrupt departure, with Illusion badmouthing Mousesports for not keeping certain promises. And now Dear obviously had a dispiriting experience with Mouz They should learn from Liquid, EG, mYi, Acer, in how to invest properly in Korean stars, or simply not shoot for the stars in signing the player considered to be the best in the world and thinking he will simply continue to be in top shape. Sad for Dear. I think the expectations/pressure too high, and the freedom too much for Dear. Hope he finds his passion again with a better team | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 12 2014 03:11 johnbongham wrote: This is the big leagues - you dont get time to adjust. In real sports they send you back to the d-league. Pros are paid to win and win NOW. You would make a terrible team manager. Hey guess what, SC2 is inconsistent. The vast majority of players cannot maintain form over an extended period of time. GSL champions frequently slump immediately afterwards and it takes a while to return to form. If all you do is buy players at their peak, not only do you end up with a shitty expensive team but you look like a moron when you are suddenly surprised that they don't perform as well as you expected afterwards. Players have ups and downs. It's your duty as a team manager to help them get out of their slumps and provide the support structure needed to return to form. Or you could be a piece of shit and drop your players after 3 months because you're not rolling in tournament winnings and sponsorship dollars. Oh no, you couldn't buy your way to the top, what a tragedy. Forgive me if I shed no tears for any organization that does that. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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