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lol i honestly don't know what you guys expects...
Naniwa will always be Naniwa, that's why we love and hate him.
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Did Alliance announce it yet?
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On March 24 2014 04:18 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 02:31 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 02:28 Kaktusblad wrote:I was a fan of Naniwa through all of the other things, but after IEM he lost all the goodwill he had with me. His way of treating the community and fans through all of this has just been horrible. Understandable that they kick him off Alliance. And JSK, You come on a forum, waving the argument of "you can't judge X because you are not X", which isn't a reasonable argument. And you keep on drawing a clear line between "judging" and "criticizing", a line which nobody but you seem to understand. You generalize everyone in a thread saying that all posters are like the worst, calling the thread a crusade. You call people bigots and you insult peoples motivations and keep on putting your self on a high horse instead of having a reasonable discussion. The ironic thing is that this makes you look like a person with a weak ego that needs to shit on others to boost his self esteem. On March 24 2014 02:05 JSK wrote:
Though it is disheartening to talk to so many people I feel could actually benefit from electroshock treatment :-( Maaaan, this isn't the way to reason with people.... If you want to see why people are upset about this, you may read TBs posts. He explains it nicely I think. Alright, I'll give you this one: I shouldn't have said that. It did detract from my posts and was not constructive even in the slightest. There, I've tried to be reasonable. Can that be said for anyone else? I disagree that the argument I made is not a reasonable argument by the way. People having different life experiences and therefore not being able to judge other people is definitely something I believe in, though it is not that black and white. For example, many people judge this community because they think that by virtue of being a video game, starcraft is somehow silly or unworthy of investment of time. Just one example, but I am sure we have all felt this type of sentiment, or at least many of us. You can think I am a weak person that "needs to shit on others" and that is fine that you think that because I am just a random name on the internet, as are you. I am weak in many ways. But I am the only person who has admitted to being wrong about anything thus far. To me that does not mean weak. However, it is completely fine if you feel that way about me. Again, it has no effect on my life. Bigots was an example. You, like most, clearly did not read my posts. So the feeling of irony is mutual. If you want to come in here throw in your 2 cents, read in depth first. None of these admissions change what my point is: the people in this thread throwing out the judgements 1) didn't respond to my point that I was specifically addressing the ridiculous notion that Naniwa isn't even worth a minim wage job. That is judgmental and ridiculous, and just as looking down on intolerant people does not make one intolerant, so do I feel that I have not been overly judgmental or intolerant. If you are initially judgmental of someone, you can't just say that any criticism of you yourself is judgmental in return. Just an intellectually weak cop-out and exactly what, for example, the anti-gay crowd says about people who call them bigots. It's funny you talk about my post count as if it means anything. I barely post on this forum as of late. Contrary to what you believe, many of us are basing our opinions on much more than just personal experience. We are taking into account tons of parallels. Yes, in most of our experience there is virtually 0 tolerance for this kind of behavior in the everyday workforce. I'm sorry if this insults you but E-Sports is still in it's infancy... It has a very long way to go in many aspects. Teams such as EG/Alliance are doing a great job at pushing for this professional environment by enforcing contracts, rules ,and regulations. If a Football or Basketball player for example, decided to just quit playing halfway through a game or a season there would be fines at the very least and quite possibly more severe consequences. Players who repeatedly display this kind of attitude or lack of professionalism would be punished more and most likely without a job. Sure, if you're a Lebron, Jordan, Ronaldo, a superstar among superstars then maybe you will get some leeway. But even those guys all show more dedication and sense than Naniwa. Whos the last Kespa player that stormed off the stage to make angry tweets? If there was one we probably dont hear about him anymore because hes not playing for a team. Now to get a bit real, sorry if this sounds scathing. Did Naniwa finish highshcool? I recall reading that he dropped school to go pro at WC3 and eventually SC2. It's a well known phenomenon in sports such as soccer/football, basketball and american football for uneducated players to blow all their money (usually small fortunes in traditional sports) within years of leaving their league. These players arent necessarily stupid but theyve spent every day learning a highly specific sport, not how to manage money or navigate the real world. Yes, there is a "real world" that exists and when you practice a game for 8-10 hours a day or years you might not fully understand things like dealing with taxes, or putting a mortgage down, investing your money, etc. So yes.. no high school degree, no relevant job skills.. our personal opinion doesn't weigh in too much when we say that doesn't qualify you for much. And again, based on logic, a job you land with those qualifications is going to be entry level where you are easily replaced. There is not going to be any tolerance for hissy fits and breaking the rules.
didnt you know. post count equals right to even post in this forum. the biggest post count the bigger penis aswell
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On March 24 2014 20:59 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 04:18 SupLilSon wrote:On March 24 2014 02:31 JSK wrote:On March 24 2014 02:28 Kaktusblad wrote:I was a fan of Naniwa through all of the other things, but after IEM he lost all the goodwill he had with me. His way of treating the community and fans through all of this has just been horrible. Understandable that they kick him off Alliance. And JSK, You come on a forum, waving the argument of "you can't judge X because you are not X", which isn't a reasonable argument. And you keep on drawing a clear line between "judging" and "criticizing", a line which nobody but you seem to understand. You generalize everyone in a thread saying that all posters are like the worst, calling the thread a crusade. You call people bigots and you insult peoples motivations and keep on putting your self on a high horse instead of having a reasonable discussion. The ironic thing is that this makes you look like a person with a weak ego that needs to shit on others to boost his self esteem. On March 24 2014 02:05 JSK wrote:
Though it is disheartening to talk to so many people I feel could actually benefit from electroshock treatment :-( Maaaan, this isn't the way to reason with people.... If you want to see why people are upset about this, you may read TBs posts. He explains it nicely I think. Alright, I'll give you this one: I shouldn't have said that. It did detract from my posts and was not constructive even in the slightest. There, I've tried to be reasonable. Can that be said for anyone else? I disagree that the argument I made is not a reasonable argument by the way. People having different life experiences and therefore not being able to judge other people is definitely something I believe in, though it is not that black and white. For example, many people judge this community because they think that by virtue of being a video game, starcraft is somehow silly or unworthy of investment of time. Just one example, but I am sure we have all felt this type of sentiment, or at least many of us. You can think I am a weak person that "needs to shit on others" and that is fine that you think that because I am just a random name on the internet, as are you. I am weak in many ways. But I am the only person who has admitted to being wrong about anything thus far. To me that does not mean weak. However, it is completely fine if you feel that way about me. Again, it has no effect on my life. Bigots was an example. You, like most, clearly did not read my posts. So the feeling of irony is mutual. If you want to come in here throw in your 2 cents, read in depth first. None of these admissions change what my point is: the people in this thread throwing out the judgements 1) didn't respond to my point that I was specifically addressing the ridiculous notion that Naniwa isn't even worth a minim wage job. That is judgmental and ridiculous, and just as looking down on intolerant people does not make one intolerant, so do I feel that I have not been overly judgmental or intolerant. If you are initially judgmental of someone, you can't just say that any criticism of you yourself is judgmental in return. Just an intellectually weak cop-out and exactly what, for example, the anti-gay crowd says about people who call them bigots. It's funny you talk about my post count as if it means anything. I barely post on this forum as of late. Contrary to what you believe, many of us are basing our opinions on much more than just personal experience. We are taking into account tons of parallels. Yes, in most of our experience there is virtually 0 tolerance for this kind of behavior in the everyday workforce. I'm sorry if this insults you but E-Sports is still in it's infancy... It has a very long way to go in many aspects. Teams such as EG/Alliance are doing a great job at pushing for this professional environment by enforcing contracts, rules ,and regulations. If a Football or Basketball player for example, decided to just quit playing halfway through a game or a season there would be fines at the very least and quite possibly more severe consequences. Players who repeatedly display this kind of attitude or lack of professionalism would be punished more and most likely without a job. Sure, if you're a Lebron, Jordan, Ronaldo, a superstar among superstars then maybe you will get some leeway. But even those guys all show more dedication and sense than Naniwa. Whos the last Kespa player that stormed off the stage to make angry tweets? If there was one we probably dont hear about him anymore because hes not playing for a team. Now to get a bit real, sorry if this sounds scathing. Did Naniwa finish highshcool? I recall reading that he dropped school to go pro at WC3 and eventually SC2. It's a well known phenomenon in sports such as soccer/football, basketball and american football for uneducated players to blow all their money (usually small fortunes in traditional sports) within years of leaving their league. These players arent necessarily stupid but theyve spent every day learning a highly specific sport, not how to manage money or navigate the real world. Yes, there is a "real world" that exists and when you practice a game for 8-10 hours a day or years you might not fully understand things like dealing with taxes, or putting a mortgage down, investing your money, etc. So yes.. no high school degree, no relevant job skills.. our personal opinion doesn't weigh in too much when we say that doesn't qualify you for much. And again, based on logic, a job you land with those qualifications is going to be entry level where you are easily replaced. There is not going to be any tolerance for hissy fits and breaking the rules. didnt you know. post count equals right to even post in this forum. the biggest post count the bigger penis aswell
Shellshock largest penis on TL confirmed
But in all seriousness I don't think there's really that much post count elitism on TL  at least not as much as you are saying
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College in Sweden is free. In fact you get paid roundabout 2800 SEK per month if you manage your school results well enough, and you can take a very beneficial student loan to cover the rest of your living expenses. You can even have a small income from work and still get the aid and the loan. So yes, that road is definately open to any Swedish citizen.
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On March 24 2014 22:53 Gothic wrote:
College in Sweden is free. In fact you get paid roundabout 2800 SEK per month if you manage your school results well enough, and you can take a very beneficial student loan to cover the rest of your living expenses. You can even have a small income from work and still get the aid and the loan. So yes, that road is definately open to any Swedish citizen.
Do they teach manners at Swedish colleges? Ba-zing. 
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On March 24 2014 23:16 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 22:53 Gothic wrote:
College in Sweden is free. In fact you get paid roundabout 2800 SEK per month if you manage your school results well enough, and you can take a very beneficial student loan to cover the rest of your living expenses. You can even have a small income from work and still get the aid and the loan. So yes, that road is definately open to any Swedish citizen. Do they teach manners at Swedish colleges? Ba-zing.
No. We hate manners.
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On March 24 2014 23:16 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2014 22:53 Gothic wrote:
College in Sweden is free. In fact you get paid roundabout 2800 SEK per month if you manage your school results well enough, and you can take a very beneficial student loan to cover the rest of your living expenses. You can even have a small income from work and still get the aid and the loan. So yes, that road is definately open to any Swedish citizen. Do they teach manners at Swedish colleges? Ba-zing.
I'm sure there's a course you can take it in.
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What surprises me about this thread is that there are some people who still haven't realized that Naniwa is an ass.
This behaviour is pretty much in line with a lot of his antics over the years and shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
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are you rabid fanboys kidding me? OF COURSE NANIWA COULDNT HOLD A JOB AT MCDONALDS. seriously doubt any of you are employed if you can't even see this. customer services requires you to put on a fake smile and be nice to customers, something naniwa has shown he is incapable of. his crap attitude would get him fired in less than a day. apparently none of you know how the real world functions. naniwhine really screwed himself over. he's got no people skills, burned a lot of bridges with sponsors and teams so doesn't have connections, and basically developed no marketable skills the past few years except sc2. now that he's out, he's got nothing. plus with his bad attitude he won't be able to even hold a minimum wage job until he grows up. TLDR: PWNED
User was warned for this post
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Welp, good riddance. Alliance became a lot more likeable in my eyes.
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Schadenfreude is part of what makes (e)sports a thing, I guess.
No IdrA, no Naniwa. I'm running out of people to root against.
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tabbed sc2 section to see if there was any drama..wasnt disappointed!
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Hope i'll will never have to see you again on a pro stream. Being bored by SC2 is a thing, respect other players is another.
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On March 25 2014 04:14 fishjie wrote:
are you rabid fanboys kidding me? OF COURSE NANIWA COULDNT HOLD A JOB AT MCDONALDS. seriously doubt any of you are employed if you can't even see this. customer services requires you to put on a fake smile and be nice to customers, something naniwa has shown he is incapable of. his crap attitude would get him fired in less than a day. apparently none of you know how the real world functions. naniwhine really screwed himself over. he's got no people skills, burned a lot of bridges with sponsors and teams so doesn't have connections, and basically developed no marketable skills the past few years except sc2. now that he's out, he's got nothing. plus with his bad attitude he won't be able to even hold a minimum wage job until he grows up. TLDR: PWNED
User was warned for this post
The wording of the post may be worthy of a warning (though personally I think this much freedom of expression should be allowed here), but in terms of content, this guy nailed it
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On March 25 2014 04:27 Leporello wrote:
Schadenfreude is part of what makes (e)sports a thing, I guess.
No IdrA, no Naniwa. I'm running out of people to root against.
But we are getting people like Firecake, as one generation of unprofessional childish foreigners leave another comes in, have no fear.
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On March 26 2014 02:54 DBS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 04:27 Leporello wrote:
Schadenfreude is part of what makes (e)sports a thing, I guess.
No IdrA, no Naniwa. I'm running out of people to root against. But we are getting people like Firecake, as one generation of unprofessional childish foreigners leave another comes in, have no fear.
Your sig is ironic.
People are so mad, its pretty sad but fairly funny to read.
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On March 24 2014 20:19 haduken wrote:
lol i honestly don't know what you guys expects...
Naniwa will always be Naniwa, that's why we love and hate him.
Speak for yourself about the whole "loving" part.
Even though I understand why some people "love" him, I also feel a sense of disgust towards those people, partly because their minds allow them to like NaNiWa, which in itself is a bad thing, and because them liking NaNiWa fueled his SC2 career, which is a bad thing in my eyes because there's no place for people like NaNiWa in my heart.
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On March 26 2014 02:31 RevTiberius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 04:14 fishjie wrote:
are you rabid fanboys kidding me? OF COURSE NANIWA COULDNT HOLD A JOB AT MCDONALDS. seriously doubt any of you are employed if you can't even see this. customer services requires you to put on a fake smile and be nice to customers, something naniwa has shown he is incapable of. his crap attitude would get him fired in less than a day. apparently none of you know how the real world functions. naniwhine really screwed himself over. he's got no people skills, burned a lot of bridges with sponsors and teams so doesn't have connections, and basically developed no marketable skills the past few years except sc2. now that he's out, he's got nothing. plus with his bad attitude he won't be able to even hold a minimum wage job until he grows up. TLDR: PWNED
User was warned for this post The wording of the post may be worthy of a warning (though personally I think this much freedom of expression should be allowed here), but in terms of content, this guy nailed it
I feel the same about the content.
However, there isn't a real need to respond to the rabid fanboys.
They will have to learn how the REAL WORLD expects them to behave, or live one lonely existence.
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People are still arguing over this?
Lol.
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