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partydude89
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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partydude89
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On March 07 2014 04:42 Shellshock wrote: congrats on making it official! It's great to see a foreigner as the best player on a korean team. #burn Startale>Prime. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:43 partydude89 wrote: It's great to see a foreigner as the best player on a korean team. #burn Startale>Prime. hahaha the trolling will never end | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3352 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:43 partydude89 wrote: It's great to see a foreigner as the best player on a korean team. #burn Startale>Prime. At least he's on a team that's officially in a league. and one that has actually won an offline team league before D: | ||
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EseNcEIncubus
Canada39 Posts
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TronJovolta
United States323 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:43 partydude89 wrote: It's great to see a foreigner as the best player on a korean team. #burn Startale>Prime. LOL. Riiiiight. | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:47 Shellshock wrote: At least he's on a team that's officially in a league. and one that has actually won an offline team league before D: I'm Sorry, but where is you GSL win? All i see is a bunch of silvers and a crying MKP. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
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DevilofDeath
United States73 Posts
Prime State :D had to say it glhf! | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Poor prime fans, no other fanbase on TL gets beaten on as much as them. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:48 partydude89 wrote: I'm Sorry, but where is you GSL win? All i see is a bunch of silvers and a crying MKP. Their gold was actually over Startale in Los Vegas. I know plenty of nerds like to deny that it happened but it did and oh MKP was the MVP. And oh yea Polt and Maru both won their titles when they were with Prime so there's that. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:48 partydude89 wrote: I'm Sorry, but where is you GSL win? All i see is a bunch of silvers and a crying MKP. Prime has won a GSL, OSL, and WCS KR as well as making 3 more finals. Startale has won a GSL and a Blizzard Cup. Prime has won a GSTL. Startale has been picked as the favorite to win a GSTL multiple times and never won. Prime is in Proleague and Kespa. Startale had to beg a team to take them on in a partnership. Prime has a sponsor now. Redbull only cares about Life and Bomber. Startale doesn't even live in their own house anymore | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Sorry for caps | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:50 Vindicare605 wrote: Their gold was actually over Startale in Los Vegas. I know plenty of nerds like to deny that it happened but it did and oh MKP was the MVP. And oh yea Polt and Maru both won their titles when they were with Prime so there's that. I'm Talking GSL Gold. andi'm talking about what you have working for you right now | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:52 Shellshock wrote: Prime has won a GSL, OSL, and WCS KR as well as making 3 more finals. Startale has won a GSL and a Blizzard Cup. Prime has won a GSTL. Startale has been picked as the favorite to win a GSTL multiple times and never won. Prime is in Proleague and Kespa. Startale had to beg a team to take them on in a partnership. Prime has a sponsor now. Redbull only cares about Life and Bomber. Startale doesn't even live in their own house anymore I'm looking at what you have right now. Not players who realized they were on a sinking shipped and jumped off | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:54 partydude89 wrote: I'm Talking GSL Gold. and we aren't talking about people formally on the team, or i would have much more accomplishments to work with. Parting, July, Bomber, Squirtle and others. I mean grats on being proud on being a 1 man team? | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:55 Shellshock wrote: I mean grats on being proud on being a 1 man team? Far from it, i just felt bad about prime and felt life matched all the accomplishments of your entire team put together. Curious, Hack, and hell, even pet and panic would crush prime to the ground. | ||
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:52 Shellshock wrote: Prime has won a GSL, OSL, and WCS KR as well as making 3 more finals. Startale has won a GSL and a Blizzard Cup. Prime has won a GSTL. Startale has been picked as the favorite to win a GSTL multiple times and never won. Prime is in Proleague and Kespa. Startale had to beg a team to take them on in a partnership. Prime has a sponsor now. Redbull only cares about Life and Bomber. Startale doesn't even live in their own house anymore You missed the somewhat important fact that Prime has no good players and Startale does | ||
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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trada
Germany347 Posts
well, he already sounds like a korean :D now all he has to do is defend the cheese like a korean  congratz state! | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:00 WikidSik wrote: lol he even has the korean style glasses and "root for me and my team!" thing. Transformation complete! Soon he will be promising good games | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:50 Fusilero wrote: Poor prime fans, no other fanbase on TL gets beaten on as much as them. This means something when you've a NS Hoseo team tag /sarcasm. XD | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:00 Zealously wrote: You missed the somewhat important fact that Prime has no good players and Startale does Creator is better than any ST player at the moment | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10121 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:47 Shellshock wrote: At least he's on a team that's officially in a league. and one that has actually won an offline team league before D: The offline part is some kind of pun about prime's unplugging skills ? On March 07 2014 05:02 Lorning wrote: Creator is better than any ST player at the moment I forgot PL > everything else We need those PL power ranks again! | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:02 Lorning wrote: Creator is better than any ST player at the moment Code S | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:02 Lorning wrote: Creator is better than any ST player at the moment Wow! i didn't realize he made the Ro8 2014 GSL! tell him congratz! | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
get some more in house practice then qualify for GSL! | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Less than a month ago, Also Creator is top 3 most wins in PL | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:02 ThomasjServo wrote: This means something when you've a NS Hoseo team tag /sarcasm. XD THE TEAM KINDA LIVES ON IN MYI | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:05 Lorning wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JoyGear_Cup Less than a month ago, Also Creator is top 3 most wins in PL I know Prime fans aren't all there but surely you don't equate one players win over Life (in a minor tournament) in the latter's worst match-up to four players in Code S and one making the Ro8? | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:07 Zealously wrote: I know Prime fans aren't all there but surely you don't equate one players win over Life (in a minor tournament) in the latter's worst match-up to four players in Code S and one making the Ro8? Let's just call it 8 players in Code S. STIM for life! This also grants ST 2 GSL victories. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Hahahaha I just had to give you some kind of mess about it Fusilero. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:07 Zealously wrote: I know Prime fans aren't all there but surely you don't equate one players win over Life (in a minor tournament) in the latter's worst match-up to four players in Code S and one making the Ro8? My claim was that Creator is better than any ST player at this period. I backed it up with the fact he won a tournament stacked with ST players, beating ST's best player 5-1 in 2 matches en being a top 3 player in PL, while not 1 ST player has a positive winrate in this league (OK they just joined). I think this backs up my statement quite well | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:12 Lorning wrote: My claim was that Creator is better than any ST player at this period. I backed it up with the fact he won a tournament stacked with ST players, beating ST's best player 5-1 in 2 matches en being a top 3 player in PL, while not 1 ST player has a positive winrate in this league (OK they just joined). I think this backs up my statement quite well And your claim is wrong because, surprise surprise, Creator is Code B (didn't make Code A) and Life is Code S Ro8. Unless we're talking strictly PvZ/ZvP, in which case it might not be as clear-cut. | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:12 Lorning wrote: My claim was that Creator is better than any ST player at this period. I backed it up with the fact he won a tournament stacked with ST players, beating ST's best player 5-1 in 2 matches en being a top 3 player in PL, while not 1 ST player has a positive winrate in this league (OK they just joined). I think this backs up my statement quite well And I'm saying that right now Life is in the Ro8 of GSL and ZvP is his worst matchup while it's creator's best. http://www.aligulac.com/players/2-Creator/ http://www.aligulac.com/players/3-Life/ | ||
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United States703 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote: And your claim is wrong because, surprise surprise, Creator is Code B (didn't make Code A) and Life is Code S Ro8. Unless we're talking strictly PvZ/ZvP, in which case it might not be as clear-cut. On March 07 2014 05:18 partydude89 wrote: And I'm saying that right now Life is in the Ro8 of GSL and ZvP is his worst matchup while it's creator's best. http://www.aligulac.com/players/2-Creator/ http://www.aligulac.com/players/3-Life/ Because players in the Ro8 of GSL are always better than people in Code B/A. You guys must have considered InCa to be the best protoss in the world at some point | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote: And your claim is wrong because, surprise surprise, Creator is Code B (didn't make Code A) and Life is Code S Ro8. Unless we're talking strictly PvZ/ZvP, in which case it might not be as clear-cut. Creator is NOT better than Life, he just isn't and that's a fact. Major beat TaeJa 2-0 in WCS America but no one is claiming MajOr is better than TaeJa are they? The argument that he beat him in 1 tournament that one time is so flawed it's not even funny. Creator playing well in PvP (pretty much his only good matchup, that he's luckily drawn almost every game this round) where he can just play super defensively while his opponent gets impatient and suicides their army doesn't necessarily make him a "great" player all of a sudden. And doing hidden all-ins on a 4 player map isn't really the most impressive thing in the world either. Creator has a long way to go to prove that he has turned into a great player before he will be taken seriously, Life has done it for a much longer time and is proving it in Individual leagues/tournaments where it matters. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:26 ArTiFaKs wrote: Creator is NOT better than Life, he just isn't and that's a fact. Major beat TaeJa 2-0 in WCS America but no one is claiming MajOr is better than TaeJa are they? The argument that he beat him in 1 tournament that one time is so flawed it's not even funny. Creator playing well in PvP (pretty much his only good matchup, that he's luckily drawn almost every game this round) where he can just play super defensively while his opponent gets impatient and suicides their army doesn't necessarily make him a "great" player all of a sudden. And doing hidden all-ins on a 4 player map isn't really the most impressive thing in the world either. Creator has a long way to go to prove that he has turned into a great player before he will be taken seriously, Life has done it for a much longer time and is proving it in Individual leagues/tournaments where it matters. Yes, cause Creator has never ended far in a major offline tournament. Let stand win one... And Creator not being better than Life cause it's a fact. Please, I gave you enough reasons, and it's not only the online cup | ||
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TheFlock
United States389 Posts
State fighting! | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:24 Lorning wrote: Because players in the Ro8 of GSL are always better than people in Code B/A. You guys must have considered InCa to be the best protoss in the world at some point Creator's road this GSL (Code A Quals Ro2): 2-0 Legend 2-1 Impact 0-2 Cure 1-2 Zest Life's road this GSL (Code S Ro8): 2-1 Paralyze 0-2 Squirtle 2-0 Paralyze 2-1 YongHwa 2-0 Dark 2-0 Roro 0-2 sOs 2-0 Roro But hey, since recent results don't always say everything, let's look at last year! Creator's results last year: Ro32 2013 GSL Season 1 Ro32 MLG Winter Championship Ro32 2013 WCS KR Season 1 Life's results last year: 1st Iron Squid Chapter 2 1st MLG Winter Championship Ro16 2013 GSL Season 1 Ro16 2013 WCS KR Season 1 Ro32 2013 WCS KR Season 2 Ro4 Dreamhack Bucharest 1st IEM New York 2nd Dreamhack Winter Ro4 ASUS NorthCon Ro8 ASUS Winter Honestly, the only metric that you could use to call Creator a superior player is their head-to-head record. Which, if it were the other way around, I'm sure you'd agree doesn't say very much. Creator has looked pretty good in Proleague, but saying he's better than Life is about as true as saying that MKP would have beaten Parting in the first game >.> | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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BadAim
Norway879 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:02 Lorning wrote: Creator is better than any ST player at the moment I never claimed Creator's entire career was better than Life's entire career. But this isn't the first moment Creator looked better than Life (WCS Korea 2012/TSL 4 era) | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:38 Lorning wrote: I never claimed Creator's entire career was better than Life's entire career. No you didn't, because that would have made you look even more silly Hey let's poll this! Poll: Who is better right now? Creator (66) Life (47) 113 total votes Your vote: Who is better right now? | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:42 ssxsilver wrote: Poor State. His career milestone thread got majorly hijacked lol. The war never ends On-topic, I'm really happy for State. I think taking the step to actually freaking join a Korean team (even if it's just Prime) will pay off for him in the long run. This is the kind of thing I'd love for more foreigners to do because I think it's the way to go if you want to become the best. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
this is a great great step for him | ||
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:48 AllinMacroMicro wrote: Whoa that's pretty cool. I never really followed proleague until the past few months, has a foreigner ever been on an official roster in SC2 proleague? yeah, Major in Team8 (now JinAir) | ||
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TTBest
Germany74 Posts
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Radicalness
United States271 Posts
Good luck State! | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
Congrats! | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
Stephano, Thorzain, Snute & Huk last year. Grrr..., ElkY, Nazgul & Legionnaire were all in eSTRO like 10 years ago as well. Congrats State, best of luck with Prime (: | ||
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HoZBlooddrop
Italy324 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
Edit: Lol @ the clowns derailing this thread talking about Life, Creator, God, Gun Control and Birth Control methods... | ||
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On March 07 2014 05:00 Zealously wrote: You missed the somewhat important fact that Prime has no good players and Startale does According to the last direct encounters the best player on Prime beat the best player on ST decisively | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 06:33 TeeTS wrote: According to the last direct encounters the best player on Prime beat the best player on ST decisively See my last five-or-so posts I wonder if State'll be sent out regularly in Proleague, or if his game against Classic was a twisted kind of welcoming party. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
nope! I have no itention to do that ontopic: Grats to State. Don´t fall into sorrow because you got cheesed out once. Work on your tactical awareness and those things will never happen to you again | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2014 06:36 Orcasgt24 wrote: So what you're saying now is State was technically not a member of Prime so he was not eligible to play in proleague thus rendering that game null and void right? Nah, he was on the Proleague roster even before officially joining the team (think HerO on IM). All is good and well in that department, though it would have been hilarious if the match was declared null and Prime received penalty points in true KeSPA fashion. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Good Luck State, hope you'll do well on Prime ! | ||
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dbssaber
United States193 Posts
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
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Radel
United States115 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On March 07 2014 06:50 Ragnarork wrote: The story continues. After MajOr, another try it out ! Not Team 8 this time, but ... well... looks like the Team 8 of the former ESF teams (currently, Prime was great when MKP, Maru, Creator, playing well and shit). Good Luck State, hope you'll do well on Prime ! even if one agreed with your sentiment about Prime, this is still better training than he could get on any US based team. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On March 07 2014 06:38 Zealously wrote: Nah, he was on the Proleague roster even before officially joining the team (think HerO on IM). All is good and well in that department, though it would have been hilarious if the match was declared null and Prime received penalty points in true KeSPA fashion. I think you missed his sarcasm, as he was "hoping" that the game would be rendered null and void seeing as State lost the game, which means he'd get a new chance for a "first game in proleague" and perhaps get a win. /andeh | ||
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Scarx
Germany49 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:50 Fusilero wrote: Poor prime fans, no other fanbase on TL gets beaten on as much as them. Don't treat them like they are defenseless little puppies. They are RUTHLESS and CRUEL. Don't let them trick you. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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thirtyapm
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j/k GOOD LUCK STATE!!! | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On March 07 2014 07:17 tar wrote: even if one agreed with your sentiment about Prime, this is still better training than he could get on any US based team. Heh, Prime being bashed is quite a running gag for quite some time now ! I fully agree with you, there's a high chance he gets the best training he's ever got there (though that's not 100% sure he'll eventually get way much better all of a sudden). Then, before MKP rejoined Prime, it looked quite like when T8 lost Jaedong (they still had TY, but he wasn't as much on rampage as he's now that he's on KT). | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
get *****, join prime | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On March 07 2014 07:55 nath wrote: its almost as if that game v Classic was a frat initiation :D "Welcome, Stranger. Now go in the corner and train. Then come back and we shall see." | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
That creator guy has a lower winrate than Life | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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For offline matches from 1/1 2014: In these games, Creator is 20–11 (64.52%) in games and 13–6 (68.42%) in matches. In these games, Life is 28–20 (58.33%) in games and 12–6 (66.67%) in matches. So yeah, life clearly better? edit: And in both offline and online; In these games, Creator is 27–16 (62.79%) in games and 16–8 (66.67%) in matches. In these games, Life is 36–30 (54.55%) in games and 16–10 (61.54%) in matches. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
Good luck. Work HARD. | ||
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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Josh_Video
Canada798 Posts
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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bringan710
Philippines2 Posts
So pumped for the news! | ||
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weiliem
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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AutumnBear
Korea (South)13 Posts
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Nathanias
United States290 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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negativedge
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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Yoshirou_Iba
Paraguay37 Posts
btw creator is better than any startale player atm, nothing wrong with that statement really | ||
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tienvh
Singapore20 Posts
Btw Prime has 2 decent protoss players (Creator & Kal) already | ||
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vjcamarena
Spain493 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
Fighting. Congrats. | ||
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insitelol
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
Good luck to state ! | ||
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stefantheterran
Austria61 Posts
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
On March 07 2014 09:16 neptunusfisk wrote: For offline matches from 1/1 2014: In these games, Creator is 20–11 (64.52%) in games and 13–6 (68.42%) in matches. In these games, Life is 28–20 (58.33%) in games and 12–6 (66.67%) in matches. So yeah, life clearly better? edit: And in both offline and online; In these games, Creator is 27–16 (62.79%) in games and 16–8 (66.67%) in matches. In these games, Life is 36–30 (54.55%) in games and 16–10 (61.54%) in matches. As all of you argue about, I just want you to note that this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Prime#Notable is more important than what team is better. State is in a korean team, that is all that important, and guess what, its awesome! | ||
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MooMooMugi
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Pangpootata
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