Welcome to a special edition of the top 50 100 streamers list.
First of all, a belated happy new year to everyone. May it be even more awesome than the last one.
And since one year has passed, you will not just be treated to the usual top 50 streamers lists of last month, but also the top 100 streamers lists of 2013. Who's had the most average viewers in all of 2013? Who's been the most resourceful streamer last year with the highest viewers*hours streamed rating? Find out below!
Also, just like last time, there will be no WCS numbers due to lack of WCS events happening in December.
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data (viewers, game, events, etc.) from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (those that you can in the sidebar to your right) and use that data to produce the pretty tables and graphs you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, streams of people playing games of Starcraft 2) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So, for instance when CatZ is streaming Dota2, it will not be taken into account.
The data I gather is then turned into the tables you see below. One is sorted by the average viewers, the other is sorted by the average viewers times the hours streamed. The latter table favors those that stream a lot, while the former table favors popular streamers regardless of how much they stream. Either ranking has its advantages and disadvantages, and thus I present both.
For either table, I have a minimum required stream time of 5 hours to be included in the list.
The list
First, here's the top 50 lists of December.
Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below. The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month.
Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.
Also also, go and check outFuzic! Stijn created the awesome looking website with all kinds of stream viewership data. It's much better suited for immediate numbers and analyzing numbers from singular events. Also, it's way prettier than anything I could've ever design. (Note that his project is completely independent from mine, so if you have any questions about it, please ask him and not me. )
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's rankings:
Scarlett is this month's most popular streamer, easily beating fellow Zergs Stephano and Jaedong by over 2000 and 4000 viewers, respectively. She's also the first streamer in quite some months to have a peak of over 10.000 viewers, which is quite the feat nowadays. In addition, all three players have streamed for less than a dozen hours in December.
Destiny, on the other hand, streamed a ton, and even though he lost some viewers and streamed quite a bit less than the previous month, he's still sitting on a comfortable first place in the V*H category over Dragon.
Ms.Spyte has gained a respectable number of viewers last month, giving her over 1500 viewers on average. Not bad at all.
IdrA looks to have found his loyal viewership by now, barely having lost any viewers in December and staying at roughly 2000 viewers on average.
Here's some information on some of the lesser known names in the lists:
Hui:Hui is a Taiwanese player who is mostly playing in the TeSL. His fanbase seems to be found mostly outside of teamliquid and in the Taiwanese community, unsurprisingly.
PsY is "an American Zerg player and YouTuber", says Liquipedia. And who am I to distrust Liquipedia?
Notable absentees last month: Innovation (He did stream, but not enough to make it onto the list), DRG, Stork, Ret, HuK (also barely didn't stream enough).
If you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.
Just in case it needs explanation, the bars in the the "Months active" column stand for one month each. Green means the player streamed during that month, red means he did not.
I hope nobody's surprised to see the #1 spot for 2013 going to Stephano. He's always gotten huge numbers whenever he streamed, and he had the highest average viewer count for six months in a row back when streamers regularly had peaks of more than 10.000 viewers. So this is a well deserved victory in my books.
Scarlett streamed only during three months last year, but each time she's gotten huge viewer numbers, allowing her to grab the second place of the year quite easily. Not bad.
The next three spots go to Grubby, DeMusliM and IdrA. All three players have streamed all throughout the year, while maintaining a solid fanbase of viewers. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Also, INnoVation has been sneaking himself into the top 10 of the year by only streaming less than 10 hours in the last two months.
On to the other list, we have our beloved Dragon taking the number one spot in a very close race against IdrA. Congratulations!
Unsurprisingly, the streamer with the most hours streamed in 2013 is PainUser, with over 4000 in the bank. Who will ever forget dear PainUser falling asleep live on stream? A close second is the 2v2 player ProTech, with close to 3950 hours. For comparison: A (non-leap) year has 8760 hours. Think about that one for a second.
So there you have it, one year's worth of streaming numbers. Let's see what this year brings.
The big picture
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Note that these are player streams only.
Player streams have recovered slowly but steadily, and are now almost up to the pre-WCS level. Of course, given that there was barely any WCS at all in the last two months, this shouldn't be too surprising. It shows that WCS really did have a very real impact on player stream numbers, and I'm very curious to see these numbers develop as WCS returns with its new format which, supposedly, will not suffocate other kinds of streams as much as it did in 2013.
Overall stream views
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
We're all gonna die! Everything's fine.
There simply weren't any big tournaments or events in December. No WCS, no premier tournaments (Yes, there was ASUS ROG NorthCon, but let's not talk about that one, shall we?), and so there wasn't anything the people could watch. Thus, the viewer numbers are far down. They'll be up again next month.
Proleague
Proleague just started at the end of December, so there's not a whole lot to see here for now. So far the numbers look pretty okay, though, hovering around the 10.000 viewers mark. Let's see how things develop, especially now that GSTL looks quite dead, with all the Korean teams (with the exception of StarTale. Poor StarTale..) in Proleague, there's pretty much no competition in that regard any longer.
So that's all for this month and the year 2013. As always, any kind of feedback is quite welcome!
Sick as always, thanks for the nice surprise of the top streamers of the year :D Very fun to look at as always Hope to see viewer numbers overall for Starcraft increase in 2014!
Unsurprisingly, the streamer with the most hours streamed in 2013 is PainUser, with over 4000 in the bank. Who will ever forget dear PainUser falling asleep live on stream? A close second is the 2v2 player ProTech, with close to 3950 hours. For comparison: A (non-leap) year has 8760 hours. Think about that one for a second.
Thanks again for putting this together, but how is the list compiled? Last month I streamed at http://www.twitch.tv/zlfreebird with an average of about 450 viewers over 235 hours of broadcasting, amounting to 105,750 Viewers*Hours, effectively 14th on the list. Is there something to register for to be added?
As for numbers in general, nice to see a consistent gain even after a bit of a slid after HoTS release.
On January 06 2014 04:59 AltWinter wrote: Thanks again for putting this together, but how is the list compiled? Last month I streamed at http://www.twitch.tv/zlfreebird with an average of about 450 viewers over 235 hours of broadcasting, amounting to 105,750 Viewers*Hours, effectively 14th on the list. Is there something to register for to be added?
As for numbers in general, nice to see a consistent gain even after a bit of a slid after HoTS release.
I categorize streamers into players and casters/other, and the latter group does not appear on the lists. Day9 and Khaldor are in the latter group, for instance.
For some reason I have you categorized as a caster (I really should write down why I categorize people one way or another..). Are you mainly casting or playing on your stream? I can change the category if it's the latter. As long as you cast events that appear here on the TL calendar, it should be fine if you're also casting. If you're also casting other stuff, things get tricky, since there's no real way for me to filter out those numbers.
Your numbers are definitely enough to make it to the list, for December you have an average of 544, according to my data. So yeah, you'd definitely make it to the lists with those numbers.
On January 06 2014 04:59 AltWinter wrote: Thanks again for putting this together, but how is the list compiled? Last month I streamed at http://www.twitch.tv/zlfreebird with an average of about 450 viewers over 235 hours of broadcasting, amounting to 105,750 Viewers*Hours, effectively 14th on the list. Is there something to register for to be added?
As for numbers in general, nice to see a consistent gain even after a bit of a slid after HoTS release.
I categorize streamers into players and casters/other, and the latter group does not appear on the lists. Day9 and Khaldor are in the latter group, for instance.
For some reason I have you categorized as a caster (I really should write down why I categorize people one way or another..). Are you mainly casting or playing on your stream? I can change the category if it's the latter. As long as you cast events that appear here on the TL calendar, it should be fine if you're also casting. If you're also casting other stuff, things get tricky, since there's no real way for me to filter out those numbers.
Your numbers are definitely enough to make it to the list, for December you have an average of 544, according to my data. So yeah, you'd definitely make it to the lists with those numbers.
Ahh, while I may have casted some events(Dreamhack, Go4SC2, ZOTAC, etc) the vast majority(95%+) is just normal day to day streams(aka me laddering with commentary etc) If you wouldn't mind categorizing me as a player that'd be awesome, possibly just remove any statistics attached to TL listed events.
On January 06 2014 04:59 AltWinter wrote: Thanks again for putting this together, but how is the list compiled? Last month I streamed at http://www.twitch.tv/zlfreebird with an average of about 450 viewers over 235 hours of broadcasting, amounting to 105,750 Viewers*Hours, effectively 14th on the list. Is there something to register for to be added?
As for numbers in general, nice to see a consistent gain even after a bit of a slid after HoTS release.
I categorize streamers into players and casters/other, and the latter group does not appear on the lists. Day9 and Khaldor are in the latter group, for instance.
For some reason I have you categorized as a caster (I really should write down why I categorize people one way or another..). Are you mainly casting or playing on your stream? I can change the category if it's the latter. As long as you cast events that appear here on the TL calendar, it should be fine if you're also casting. If you're also casting other stuff, things get tricky, since there's no real way for me to filter out those numbers.
Your numbers are definitely enough to make it to the list, for December you have an average of 544, according to my data. So yeah, you'd definitely make it to the lists with those numbers.
Ahh, while I may have casted some events(Dreamhack, Go4SC2, ZOTAC, etc) the vast majority(95%+) is just normal day to day streams(aka me laddering with commentary etc) If you wouldn't mind categorizing me as a player that'd be awesome, possibly just remove any statistics attached to TL listed events.
Alright, I've recategorized you. I've set you as teamless for now, but if you have a team, do let me know!
Also, what's your secret for getting so many viewers without being featured? You're in the top 10 in the V*H category. :D
On January 06 2014 06:02 Koshi wrote: Enjoyed your posts for the entire year. Thank you!
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Seem to be too lazy to remove him. Guy has literally zero relevance to anything.
Are we going to do this again? He runs an entertaining stream for SC2. Its not all about progamers and how much they win. Sometimes running a fun stream is just as good for SC2.
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Seem to be too lazy to remove him. Guy has literally zero relevance to anything.
Are we going to do this again? He runs an entertaining stream for SC2. Its not all about progamers and how much they win. Sometimes running a fun stream is just as good for SC2.
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Seem to be too lazy to remove him. Guy has literally zero relevance to anything.
Are we going to do this again? He runs an entertaining stream for SC2. Its not all about progamers and how much they win. Sometimes running a fun stream is just as good for SC2.
On January 06 2014 06:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Starting this on page one already? lol...
I know, its like we have a short memory or something.
Also, honestly, he is the closest thing was have to a professional 2v2 player...........
we should cherish him and bombard him with love.
No, clearly we should shun him because he doesn't matter until he beats at least 15 koreans and captures our hearts at the next Dreamhack. Because thats the best way to build an inclusive community it to judge and shame anyone who isn't super tryhard, living off cheap ramen in Korea and training for the next GSL. Clearly thats the best way to make sure people want to watch and join the SC2 community.
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Seem to be too lazy to remove him. Guy has literally zero relevance to anything.
Are we going to do this again? He runs an entertaining stream for SC2. Its not all about progamers and how much they win. Sometimes running a fun stream is just as good for SC2.
On January 06 2014 06:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 06 2014 06:00 jtp118 wrote: whoa Minigun ... and why is Protech featured?
Starting this on page one already? lol...
I know, its like we have a short memory or something.
Also, honestly, he is the closest thing was have to a professional 2v2 player...........
we should cherish him and bombard him with love.
What do you mean, exactly? There are quite a few 2v2 players who are significantly better than him and get paid to teach/ train/ play with viewers.
On January 06 2014 04:59 AltWinter wrote: Thanks again for putting this together, but how is the list compiled? Last month I streamed at http://www.twitch.tv/zlfreebird with an average of about 450 viewers over 235 hours of broadcasting, amounting to 105,750 Viewers*Hours, effectively 14th on the list. Is there something to register for to be added?
As for numbers in general, nice to see a consistent gain even after a bit of a slid after HoTS release.
I categorize streamers into players and casters/other, and the latter group does not appear on the lists. Day9 and Khaldor are in the latter group, for instance.
For some reason I have you categorized as a caster (I really should write down why I categorize people one way or another..). Are you mainly casting or playing on your stream? I can change the category if it's the latter. As long as you cast events that appear here on the TL calendar, it should be fine if you're also casting. If you're also casting other stuff, things get tricky, since there's no real way for me to filter out those numbers.
Your numbers are definitely enough to make it to the list, for December you have an average of 544, according to my data. So yeah, you'd definitely make it to the lists with those numbers.
Ahh, while I may have casted some events(Dreamhack, Go4SC2, ZOTAC, etc) the vast majority(95%+) is just normal day to day streams(aka me laddering with commentary etc) If you wouldn't mind categorizing me as a player that'd be awesome, possibly just remove any statistics attached to TL listed events.
Alright, I've recategorized you. I've set you as teamless for now, but if you have a team, do let me know!
Also, what's your secret for getting so many viewers without being featured? You're in the top 10 in the V*H category. :D
On January 06 2014 06:02 Koshi wrote: Enjoyed your posts for the entire year. Thank you!
Thank you, dear sir.
Thanks again <3 Honestly WCS kind of killed nonfeatured streamers, I averaged about 100-200 for 8 months of WCS, and gain almost 3x that within a month, we'll have to see if that continues with WCS starting again
I don't understand how can you stream 4k hours in a year. It just doesn't add up in my head. You have to stream, sleep and eat, nothing else. If he streamed sc2 for all that time he must be the most passionate guy in the scene
On January 06 2014 07:47 Isualin wrote: I don't understand how can you stream 4k hours in a year. It just doesn't add up in my head. You have to stream, sleep and eat, nothing else. If he streamed sc2 for all that time he must be the most passionate guy in the scene
the most shocking part is when you consider he hasnt gotten into gm after all that
On January 06 2014 07:47 Isualin wrote: I don't understand how can you stream 4k hours in a year. It just doesn't add up in my head. You have to stream, sleep and eat, nothing else. If he streamed sc2 for all that time he must be the most passionate guy in the scene
Honestly, it's not passion at this point. PainUser has some notorious problems with insomnia and probably uses streaming as a way to keep himself busy. Not very healthy at all tho. It's mindless play.
This guy is really great with data collecting, but the one thing that always bothered me is that his first graph is marked as "top 50 streamers", and then his next one is marked "top 50 streamers by viewer hours". Obviously I have incentive to be hugely bias here, but I feel like the second graph is more important than the first. The second one is much more indicative of revenue generated + time spent streaming than the first.
For example.
Let's say I announce on twitter that I'm going to be doing a special 3v3 stream marathon for 8 hours where I play with CombatEx and Deezer. Let's say I stream those 8 hours and carry 9,000 viewers for all 8 hours the entire time. Let's say I don't stream for the entire month after that. I would effectively be first place on the first chart, simply because I only streamed during my absolute peak hours.
I would much rather stream 150 hours during the month carrying 3k viewers (average) than 8 hours during the month carrying 9k viewers, however, because there is far far far more revenue involved in the second one. There's also the undeniable affect that there is a certain novelty tied to streaming, such that if you only stream for a few hours in a given month, you will always get more notoriety than if you had a constant, steady streaming schedule.
It just irks me to see the top three streamers from 2013 streamed 10 hours, 8.5 hours, then 8 hours, and then next on the list is me with 147.75.
The point about viewer hours vs peaks is correct, if you are making a living off of streaming, or at least as a source of income then consistent numbers over 150 hours is better than spiky numbers over 6 hours.
It is interesting though that the top 3 streamers are all(or were, in Stephano's case) high level competitive players(no offense Steven), who stream more as a way to relax or to interact with fans more than a source of revenue, or so I would assume. I do like the idea of you playing a 3v3 with Deezer and CombatEx though. Maybe bring in a drunk 2GD to cast and you'd make magic happen.
On January 06 2014 08:40 Destiny wrote: This guy is really great with data collecting, but the one thing that always bothered me is that his first graph is marked as "top 50 streamers", and then his next one is marked "top 50 streamers by viewer hours". Obviously I have incentive to be hugely bias here, but I feel like the second graph is more important than the first. The second one is much more indicative of revenue generated + time spent streaming than the first.
For example.
Let's say I announce on twitter that I'm going to be doing a special 3v3 stream marathon for 8 hours where I play with CombatEx and Deezer. Let's say I stream those 8 hours and carry 9,000 viewers for all 8 hours the entire time. Let's say I don't stream for the entire month after that. I would effectively be first place on the first chart, simply because I only streamed during my absolute peak hours.
I would much rather stream 150 hours during the month carrying 3k viewers (average) than 8 hours during the month carrying 9k viewers, however, because there is far far far more revenue involved in the second one. There's also the undeniable affect that there is a certain novelty tied to streaming, such that if you only stream for a few hours in a given month, you will always get more notoriety than if you had a constant, steady streaming schedule.
It just irks me to see the top three streamers from 2013 streamed 10 hours, 8.5 hours, then 8 hours, and then next on the list is me with 147.75.
/butthurt
Regardless, cool information as always!
I got Destiny butthurt. That has to be some kind of life accomplishment, right?
It all comes down to the definition of a "top streamer". If you want to find out which streamer most likely made the most money, or which streamers can or do live from their streaming, then the second list is obviously the one you should look at. However, what if you want to find out which players are trending right now in their popularity? That's when you can go to the first list. There's no question that Scarlett draws viewers right now, whether it's her stream or a tournament she's playing in. Same with Stephano, and to a lesser extend, Jaedong. All three are still hugely popular, and I'd say the first list represents that quite well. The lists answer different questions.
And you're absolutely right that you can "cheat" the first list in various ways. You can also hurt your own numbers for the first list by streaming in undesirable times (during tournaments/WCS, during times bad for Europeans, etc.).
These are very clear problems with sorting the streamers just by their average viewership. I try to counteract this at least a little bit by requiring at least 5 hours streamed in a month (Otherwise, HuK and Innovation would have made it into the top 10 for December, too). I might raise that number to 10 hours, but if I would publish last month's list without Scarlett, Stephano and Jaedong anywhere, half of the posts in this thread would ask for why these players are missing even though they've clearly been streaming. I hope you can see my dilemma here. Currently I'm thinking of raising the limit to 8 hours, on the logic that this is basically one work day, and everyone who streamed more than that has, theoretically, streamed on at least two different occasions, giving a somewhat more realistic average viewership. But that's obviously not a perfect solution, either.
However, the viewers*hours list is not perfect, either. Some streamers have made it into that list by simply leaving their stream on while they sleep, getting 20-50 viewers for free, so to speak, for 8-10 hours. In addition (and this is an entirely subjective opinion of mine) I think the second list "rewards" players who stream a lot a bit too much, compared to players who get good viewer numbers. A player who averages 500 viewers and plays for 200 hours has a higher V*H rating than a player with 3000 viewers playing for 25 hours. That just feels.. odd. Again, I'm being quite subjective here.
I started out my threads with only the top list, then later added the second upon suggestions from other people. And since I had to differentiate the two somehow, I added "sorted by viewers*hours" to its name, and never bothered to change the name of the first list. Maybe I should just call the first list "Top 50 streamers sorted by viewers", instead of implying that it is the "main" list. By now I do not consider one list better or worse than the other, but of course I do have to chose one list to display first, and it just so happened that the one sorted by average viewers is the one that made it. Perhaps I should start a poll and find out if people think I should change that.
>However, what if you want to find out which players are trending right now in their popularity?
I can definitely see the appeal of that, but it's hard to measure that with even the first list. It's definitely true that Scarlett's stream drew a ton of attention when she streamed, same as Jaedong. But that was the first time they'd streamed, and there was a huge novelty/hyper surrounding the event. Say Scarlett did the exact same stream the next day and held just a couple thousand concurrents less, she'd effectively be lowering her "Viewers" number due to the averaging of the figures. Of course, since she's so high on that list it doesn't affect her much at all, but in closer ratings it could have some effect.
It'd be neat/interesting if there was some way to get an idea of how many unique viewers someone is able to get, as I feel like that could be a good indicator (in conjunction with other stats) for the relative popularity of a person.
>I try to counteract this at least a little bit by requiring at least 5 hours streamed in a month (Otherwise, HuK and Innovation would have made it into the top 10 for December, too).
It seems like 5 hours is kind of arbitrary, though? Again, you said that if you cut it off at 8 or 9, a lot of people would be asking about the big three, so I can understand the problems.
>I hope you can see my dilemma here.
Heh, my post was just an observation, I don't think it's worth it for anyone to get insanely upset at any of the lists here.
>That just feels.. odd. Again, I'm being quite subjective here.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that, when you get to extremes you can see the problems with going by only viewer hours. While it might urk someone who averages 4k to have someone above them who streams for only 8 hours a month averaging 8k, I can definitely see a problem with someone who averages 2k getting beat out by someone who averages <300-400 just because of the sheer number of hours they stream. As I said earlier, it'd be interesting if you could get the uniques who watch a stream, as I believe there's interesting stuff you could do with access to that number.
Anyway, regardless, great work on the data mining!
That way players who stream for a short amount of time would get lower then those who streamed for far longer, yet the amount of hours matters less the higher it gets?
On January 06 2014 09:46 Destiny wrote: >However, what if you want to find out which players are trending right now in their popularity?
I can definitely see the appeal of that, but it's hard to measure that with even the first list. It's definitely true that Scarlett's stream drew a ton of attention when she streamed, same as Jaedong. But that was the first time they'd streamed, and there was a huge novelty/hyper surrounding the event. Say Scarlett did the exact same stream the next day and held just a couple thousand concurrents less, she'd effectively be lowering her "Viewers" number due to the averaging of the figures. Of course, since she's so high on that list it doesn't affect her much at all, but in closer ratings it could have some effect.
It'd be neat/interesting if there was some way to get an idea of how many unique viewers someone is able to get, as I feel like that could be a good indicator (in conjunction with other stats) for the relative popularity of a person.
>I try to counteract this at least a little bit by requiring at least 5 hours streamed in a month (Otherwise, HuK and Innovation would have made it into the top 10 for December, too).
It seems like 5 hours is kind of arbitrary, though? Again, you said that if you cut it off at 8 or 9, a lot of people would be asking about the big three, so I can understand the problems.
>I hope you can see my dilemma here.
Heh, my post was just an observation, I don't think it's worth it for anyone to get insanely upset at any of the lists here.
>That just feels.. odd. Again, I'm being quite subjective here.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that, when you get to extremes you can see the problems with going by only viewer hours. While it might urk someone who averages 4k to have someone above them who streams for only 8 hours a month averaging 8k, I can definitely see a problem with someone who averages 2k getting beat out by someone who averages <300-400 just because of the sheer number of hours they stream. As I said earlier, it'd be interesting if you could get the uniques who watch a stream, as I believe there's interesting stuff you could do with access to that number.
Anyway, regardless, great work on the data mining!
Just a suggestion, how about calling the first list "top 50 streamers by average viewers", the second list "top 50 streamers by viewers*hours", and letting each reader decide which list, if any at all, he/she considers to represent the "top 50 streamers". And thanks to conti for the list, always interesting to read.
On January 06 2014 13:40 mrRoflpwn wrote: Painuser really needs to find something to do with his life. He clearly has no place in starcraft esports anymore. Its just the hard truth :/
Not surprised that Idra is at the top of overall viewers though, he is a full time streamer now.
On January 06 2014 09:46 Destiny wrote: >However, what if you want to find out which players are trending right now in their popularity?
I can definitely see the appeal of that, but it's hard to measure that with even the first list. It's definitely true that Scarlett's stream drew a ton of attention when she streamed, same as Jaedong. But that was the first time they'd streamed, and there was a huge novelty/hyper surrounding the event. Say Scarlett did the exact same stream the next day and held just a couple thousand concurrents less, she'd effectively be lowering her "Viewers" number due to the averaging of the figures. Of course, since she's so high on that list it doesn't affect her much at all, but in closer ratings it could have some effect.
Yes, that's definitely true. But I could argue that, if Scarlett would stream every day for 5 hours instead of once every three months, people would get used to her presence. A sort of oversaturation would kick in. The same would happen if she would appear in practically every tournament. Rarity can be one of the many factors of a player's popularity, and the average viewer numbers, incidentally, reflect that, too. I'd say that Scarlett would be slightly less popular if we could watch her (on streams and in tournaments) all the time.
It's a minor point in the end, and I'm not trying to say that the average viewer numbers are an exact measurement of a player's popularity. But it is still far better than the V*H category at the end of the day.
On January 06 2014 09:46 Destiny wrote: It'd be neat/interesting if there was some way to get an idea of how many unique viewers someone is able to get, as I feel like that could be a good indicator (in conjunction with other stats) for the relative popularity of a person.
Unique viewers would be a much cooler number to have, absolutely. Not just for player streams, but for tournaments especially. But twitch does not provide them, unfortunately, and most likely never will. I'm not quite sure how they could provide the numbers, anyhow. Provide the number of unique viewers per streaming session at the end of a stream, I suppose?
On January 06 2014 09:46 Destiny wrote: >I try to counteract this at least a little bit by requiring at least 5 hours streamed in a month (Otherwise, HuK and Innovation would have made it into the top 10 for December, too).
It seems like 5 hours is kind of arbitrary, though? Again, you said that if you cut it off at 8 or 9, a lot of people would be asking about the big three, so I can understand the problems.
Yeah, the 5 hours are entirely arbitrary, like any other cut-off number. I suppose I at least have a half-assed argument for raising it 8 hours, but in the end, there's no objective way to find the right amount of streaming hours required here. And not having any at all just leads to even more obvious problems (I remember MarineKing having streamed for 0.75 hours in one month, theoretically making it to the top 5..)
Thanks for the feedback, though! It's always appreciated.
On January 06 2014 13:40 mrRoflpwn wrote: Painuser really needs to find something to do with his life. He clearly has no place in starcraft esports anymore. Its just the hard truth :/
Not surprised that Idra is at the top of overall viewers though, he is a full time streamer now.
Why would you decide what PU does with his life? The guy has his own small following and is incredibly dedicated. He might not be increasing in skill very fast, but he has improved. If you told everyone to retire who wasn't succeeding the scene would die pretty fast. Right now, even being a top GM doesn't mean shit.
As for Idra, he pulled much higher numbers when he was still a player.
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On January 06 2014 13:40 mrRoflpwn wrote: Painuser really needs to find something to do with his life. He clearly has no place in starcraft esports anymore. Its just the hard truth :/
Not surprised that Idra is at the top of overall viewers though, he is a full time streamer now.
Why would you decide what PU does with his life? The guy has his own small following and is incredibly dedicated. He might not be increasing in skill very fast, but he has improved. If you told everyone to retire who wasn't succeeding the scene would die pretty fast. Right now, even being a top GM doesn't mean !@#$%^&*.
As for Idra, he pulled much higher numbers when he was still a player.
Painuser has gone from Masters to diamond while playing more than almost anyone else during that timespan... I don't think the improved concept makes sense here.
Honestly, just looking at his mechanics, I don't understand how some that plays so much can have so bad mouse precision. He often spends a lot of time sending dropships around the map, he doens't control his main army meanwhile. When you play that style, your essentially relying on a gimmick mechanic, becasue all the opponent has to do is split up his forces since there is no threat from his main army. If on ther other hand you manage to control main army and dropship(s) at the same time the threat your pose is much more real/aka it has potential on a higher level.
Honestly, I am not even sure his problems are related to strategies (I just watched him briefly though), but I think the way he practices his mechanics must simply be inefficient.
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