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winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
January 04 2014 13:45 GMT
#61
There are many types of graffins, the tall ones survive and others fall. In starcraft 2, overcloaked terran players survive in the tournaments while slower or outdated ones fall apart.(mech sucks) For protoss, who make carriers fall.
Incredible Miracle
JDfz
Profile Joined December 2012
United Kingdom50 Posts
January 04 2014 13:58 GMT
#62
Really enjoyed the interview, looking forward to the next part of the series. Seems topical with the as-yet-unknown potential mech buff(s) incoming...
CJGumiho <3
agahamsorr0w
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands359 Posts
January 04 2014 14:23 GMT
#63
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 15:24:59
January 04 2014 14:54 GMT
#64
On January 04 2014 23:23 agahamsorr0w wrote:
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit.

Should i do the same than him, because i'm using Mech + banshee -> raven -> sky since 2011 then and even made the only big guide about it in the worst mech MU? It's not "fair" not to give credits to me, right ? --'

He's not just trying to "get credit". He's trying to pull all credits and attention about this subject to himself, and basically want to get crowned as the king, god, savior and only important user of Mech since Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty came out. HTOMario,Strelok, Mvp, Lagforce, Goody, myself, all the others... all these players who participated to Mech at their respective levels, in their made some innovations and popularized some things, in avilo's world, they don't exist, or they only got inspired by his own genius

Using it once before it became popular on stream =/= Being the first to do it constantly =/= invented =/= popularized =/= made it used by pros. Some people should realize that, and some people should figure out what "multiple parts" means, since it was said a couple times by the op..

The content itself is nice and it would be stupid to turn another mech-based discussion into an avilo praise/hate-thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
agahamsorr0w
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands359 Posts
January 04 2014 15:24 GMT
#65
On January 04 2014 23:54 Lyyna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 23:23 agahamsorr0w wrote:
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit.

Should i do the same than him, because i'm using Mech + banshee -> raven -> sky since 2011 then and even made the only big guide about it in one MU? --'
He's not just trying to "get credit". He's trying to pull all credits and attention about this subject to himself, and basically want to get crowned as the king, god, and savior of Mech since Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty came out

Being the first to do it on stream =/= invented =/= popularized =/= made it used by pros. Some people should realize that, and some people should figure out what "multiple parts" means, since it was said a couple times by the op..

The content itself is nice and it would be stupid to turn another mech-based discussion into an avilo praise/hate-thread


if you can do better then i suggest you start streaming and promoting mech yourself. Avilo might be a little arrogant but i know some people who have been inspired by him. who have you inspired? stop trying to get people down to your level with your hate and envy. hes just trying to get some recognition. after all, why do we play this game for? for sure its not to get bitched on by some random dude on a forum.
Epamynondas
Profile Joined September 2012
387 Posts
January 04 2014 15:27 GMT
#66
Damn, I'm excited to see some HTOMario games now!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 15:43:26
January 04 2014 15:42 GMT
#67
On January 05 2014 00:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 23:54 Lyyna wrote:
On January 04 2014 23:23 agahamsorr0w wrote:
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit.

Should i do the same than him, because i'm using Mech + banshee -> raven -> sky since 2011 then and even made the only big guide about it in one MU? --'
He's not just trying to "get credit". He's trying to pull all credits and attention about this subject to himself, and basically want to get crowned as the king, god, and savior of Mech since Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty came out

Being the first to do it on stream =/= invented =/= popularized =/= made it used by pros. Some people should realize that, and some people should figure out what "multiple parts" means, since it was said a couple times by the op..

The content itself is nice and it would be stupid to turn another mech-based discussion into an avilo praise/hate-thread


if you can do better then i suggest you start streaming and promoting mech yourself. Avilo might be a little arrogant but i know some people who have been inspired by him. who have you inspired? stop trying to get people down to your level with your hate and envy. hes just trying to get some recognition. after all, why do we play this game for? for sure its not to get bitched on by some random dude on a forum.


Erhm. Lyyna did a lot for mech users, if you don't know him doesn't mean he's unknown for everyone. Check his mech guide and see how many feedback he got.

Gosh people these days are so self centred.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 04 2014 15:49 GMT
#68
Avilo is right, you should mention TLO, the man who basically played everything in the WoL beta and therefore should be called the innovator of basically anything.
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
January 04 2014 16:35 GMT
#69
The entire concept of "Mech Player" makes me laugh... We are just terran players and have to be good with mech, bio and biomech.
PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
January 04 2014 16:41 GMT
#70
On January 04 2014 22:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Interesting interview! Thanks for posting this. I'm not really sure why someone would only play one particular style, but if he's having success, then that's great!

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:47 avilo wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:43 PaeZ wrote:
Your article seems nice! But you seem to forget Avilo? He is alongside Mario the only consistent NA top terran who can make Mech work in all matchups. Not to mention they have played some TvT's between themselves with both winning some.

I mean you mention 2 european players that are famous for using Mech, why only mention 1 NA player when there are clearly 2 NA players using Mech was well? do you have any grudge against Avilo or something?


It would be like me writing an article about the DT/Corsair innovation in TvP brood war, and then mentioning every Protoss that has ever used it...except the man...bisu -_-


Yes you're just like Bisu >.>

Except I'm pretty sure that the Bisu Build wasn't TvP lol...


Avilo is partly right, the Bisu build was primarily used PvZ, but then it was used by others PvT, the goal was to use the corsair disruption web to stop tank from firing, while protoss forces would then destroy them (almost no one used corsair except for scouting)

Here is a liquipedia link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Corsair
and Here is the Bisu build : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bisu_Build
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 04 2014 18:12 GMT
#71
On January 05 2014 01:41 PaeZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 22:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Interesting interview! Thanks for posting this. I'm not really sure why someone would only play one particular style, but if he's having success, then that's great!

On January 04 2014 08:47 avilo wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:43 PaeZ wrote:
Your article seems nice! But you seem to forget Avilo? He is alongside Mario the only consistent NA top terran who can make Mech work in all matchups. Not to mention they have played some TvT's between themselves with both winning some.

I mean you mention 2 european players that are famous for using Mech, why only mention 1 NA player when there are clearly 2 NA players using Mech was well? do you have any grudge against Avilo or something?


It would be like me writing an article about the DT/Corsair innovation in TvP brood war, and then mentioning every Protoss that has ever used it...except the man...bisu -_-


Yes you're just like Bisu >.>

Except I'm pretty sure that the Bisu Build wasn't TvP lol...


Avilo is partly right, the Bisu build was primarily used PvZ, but then it was used by others PvT, the goal was to use the corsair disruption web to stop tank from firing, while protoss forces would then destroy them (almost no one used corsair except for scouting)

Here is a liquipedia link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Corsair
and Here is the Bisu build : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bisu_Build

I think you missed DarkPlasmaBall's point lol. It was likely Avilo was talking about PvZ since that's primarily where it's used(it's rare to see corsair/dt in PvT nowadays if you've been watching BW(and even in the past, it wasn't popular by any stretch of the imagination)). Either way, just felt I should point this out.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
vNmMasterT
Profile Joined September 2012
68 Posts
January 04 2014 18:14 GMT
#72
good job Yosho, you clearly deserved the recognition. Over the last year you have transformed from this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=yosho&gb=date&d=

to the all humble, blame yourself always before balance, modern mechanic HTOMario. What a personality (and gameplay) overhaul you have gone through.Bravo!

Avilo's main problem was that he never went through a personality change like you since Hots was released. He prefers to work on his mech play like he has done so since WoL beta.

Btw I don't think you can legitly get to rank 28 gm w/ random, since you have already been caught by Yume for getting boosted into gm.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/1h3j6j/htomario_possibly_boosted_to_gm_verify/

It is sad that baseless witch hunts forced players like EmpireMista to retire, yet legit claims like this is simply glossed over by the community when the target is someone with a nice guy reputation and having built a strong group of followers.
PoisonTV
Profile Joined July 2013
United Kingdom32 Posts
January 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#73
Thank you for all the positive feedback, it is saddening to see after a lot of effort that some people want to detract from what will be a good series of write ups. We look forward to bringing more articles to the TL community on the topic of mech.
http://www.twitch.tv/poisontvde - Everything but German
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 04 2014 18:48 GMT
#74
I liked the interview, but i have some criticism. The only player from the ones you mentioned that had any real success with mech was GoOdy, mostly during WOL where he won a lot of smaller tournaments. Strelok had some good games in WCS.

As far as genuinely good and "innovative" Terran players that made mech work at the high level, both in WOL and HOTS, there is only one and that is MVP.

In HOTS at the highest level mech just doesn't really exist outside of TvT (with the exception from MVP in a few TvZ). There is no such thing as "Modern Mechanic".

So in essence i like the interview but i dislike the presentation.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
January 04 2014 18:52 GMT
#75
On January 05 2014 03:30 PoisonTV wrote:
Thank you for all the positive feedback, it is saddening to see after a lot of effort that some people want to detract from what will be a good series of write ups. We look forward to bringing more articles to the TL community on the topic of mech.

By the way, do you plan to do some strategic contents or are you going to focus mainly on players' interviews like here ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
January 04 2014 18:59 GMT
#76
On January 05 2014 03:14 vNmMasterT wrote:
good job Yosho, you clearly deserved the recognition. Over the last year you have transformed from this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=yosho&gb=date&d=

to the all humble, blame yourself always before balance, modern mechanic HTOMario. What a personality (and gameplay) overhaul you have gone through.Bravo!

Avilo's main problem was that he never went through a personality change like you since Hots was released. He prefers to work on his mech play like he has done so since WoL beta.

Btw I don't think you can legitly get to rank 28 gm w/ random, since you have already been caught by Yume for getting boosted into gm.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/1h3j6j/htomario_possibly_boosted_to_gm_verify/

It is sad that baseless witch hunts forced players like EmpireMista to retire, yet legit claims like this is simply glossed over by the community when the target is someone with a nice guy reputation and having built a strong group of followers.


I don't think it was actually confirmed that he was boosted?
HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
January 04 2014 19:05 GMT
#77
On January 05 2014 03:59 mau5mat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 03:14 vNmMasterT wrote:
good job Yosho, you clearly deserved the recognition. Over the last year you have transformed from this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=yosho&gb=date&d=

to the all humble, blame yourself always before balance, modern mechanic HTOMario. What a personality (and gameplay) overhaul you have gone through.Bravo!

Avilo's main problem was that he never went through a personality change like you since Hots was released. He prefers to work on his mech play like he has done so since WoL beta.

Btw I don't think you can legitly get to rank 28 gm w/ random, since you have already been caught by Yume for getting boosted into gm.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/1h3j6j/htomario_possibly_boosted_to_gm_verify/

It is sad that baseless witch hunts forced players like EmpireMista to retire, yet legit claims like this is simply glossed over by the community when the target is someone with a nice guy reputation and having built a strong group of followers.


I don't think it was actually confirmed that he was boosted?



-.- I had 4 accounts in gm last season, 3 of which I got promoted on stream. This boosted crap was just a smear campaign.
GM Mech T
PoisonTV
Profile Joined July 2013
United Kingdom32 Posts
January 04 2014 19:11 GMT
#78
On January 05 2014 03:52 Lyyna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 03:30 PoisonTV wrote:
Thank you for all the positive feedback, it is saddening to see after a lot of effort that some people want to detract from what will be a good series of write ups. We look forward to bringing more articles to the TL community on the topic of mech.

By the way, do you plan to do some strategic contents or are you going to focus mainly on players' interviews like here ?


We hopefully plan to cover a full spectrum, if you could PM me your contact details then I would love to talk more
http://www.twitch.tv/poisontvde - Everything but German
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
January 04 2014 19:19 GMT
#79
I thought this was going to be ABOUT Avilo..... you really begged the question by leaving him out. His commitment to "Mech" is unparallelled, irregardless of what anyone thinks of him.

His TvT vs Minigun last night proved Avilo has "a certain set of skills"

Anyways, I know there's more to come, look forward to it.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 19:31:48
January 04 2014 19:29 GMT
#80
On January 05 2014 00:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 23:54 Lyyna wrote:
On January 04 2014 23:23 agahamsorr0w wrote:
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit.

Should i do the same than him, because i'm using Mech + banshee -> raven -> sky since 2011 then and even made the only big guide about it in one MU? --'
He's not just trying to "get credit". He's trying to pull all credits and attention about this subject to himself, and basically want to get crowned as the king, god, and savior of Mech since Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty came out

Being the first to do it on stream =/= invented =/= popularized =/= made it used by pros. Some people should realize that, and some people should figure out what "multiple parts" means, since it was said a couple times by the op..

The content itself is nice and it would be stupid to turn another mech-based discussion into an avilo praise/hate-thread


if you can do better then i suggest you start streaming and promoting mech yourself. Avilo might be a little arrogant but i know some people who have been inspired by him. who have you inspired? stop trying to get people down to your level with your hate and envy. hes just trying to get some recognition. after all, why do we play this game for? for sure its not to get bitched on by some random dude on a forum.


Trying to get some recognition doesn't mean coming into a thread and whining like a 12 year old kid because he wasn't mentioned.
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