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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 04 2014 04:28 GMT
#41
On January 04 2014 13:11 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 11:53 Rekrul wrote:
i invented arbiters fwiw

I thought you invented the Lurker.


He's not that much of a forward thinker though
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 04 2014 04:32 GMT
#42
lol what did i just read first of all mech vs protoss will never work simple as that its just bad. vs zerg its not even good unless u get into bc raven viking without bc u still lose to good zergs. and vs terran is obviously good calling them inventors of something thats been played for 10 years.

just lol
Progamer
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
January 04 2014 04:51 GMT
#43
On January 04 2014 09:16 avilo wrote:
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On January 04 2014 08:59 PoisonTV wrote:
Thank you for your feedback. As I have previously stated this is an interview featuring the work of HTOMario. This is also a multi part series and more interviews will be on the way, if Avilo is willing to be interviewed then we are happy to oblige.

However as to date we have never had any interactions with Avilo, never spoken to Avilo and the previous mentioned players where taken both on current notable games in the tournament scene and availability of players. We have no person bias against any players in the scene. However it would be nice to see comments more focusing on the discussed points rather than rail roading it because player xyz was not mentioned.



You named the thread "Modern Mechanic" maybe rename to "HTOmario interview" would be a good idea if it's not to discuss "Modern Mechanic" a bit misleading because the opening mentions many mech players, except the one that popularized the raven style mentioned a lot in the thread

Jesus Christ can you shut up for 2 minutes? You have provided next to nothing for the community, and you're just here to pester someone trying to do actual good work.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 04 2014 05:02 GMT
#44
I don't watch sc2 outside of tournaments so I've never heard of Avilo before. He made a pretty good first impression in this thread I guess. I do miss DT/Corsair in TvP.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
January 04 2014 05:09 GMT
#45
i like mobile mech

goody's turtling mech makes me sad
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BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 06:22:33
January 04 2014 06:19 GMT
#46
Ya I was kinda surprised Avilo didn't get a nod or even a mention when you wrote (at length) about the raven style in TvZ. But everyone knows that I invented multiple dropship harass with mech. Right? Who am I, you may be thinking.. Exactly. Who invented the phrase "what's up?" eh? Exactly. The ORIGINAL.

Avilo, well, he's so sensitive and the polar opposite of modest. But he's fuzzy deep down inside, probably!

Good article. Fun read. Can't wait to hear more =] I love Terran mech!
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
January 04 2014 06:40 GMT
#47
On January 04 2014 13:32 MajOr wrote:
lol what did i just read first of all mech vs protoss will never work simple as that its just bad. vs zerg its not even good unless u get into bc raven viking without bc u still lose to good zergs. and vs terran is obviously good calling them inventors of something thats been played for 10 years.

just lol


let avilo get the attention that he craves
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
January 04 2014 06:50 GMT
#48
On January 04 2014 09:15 Mr.Apathetic wrote:
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On January 04 2014 08:47 avilo wrote:
On January 04 2014 08:43 PaeZ wrote:
Your article seems nice! But you seem to forget Avilo? He is alongside Mario the only consistent NA top terran who can make Mech work in all matchups. Not to mention they have played some TvT's between themselves with both winning some.

I mean you mention 2 european players that are famous for using Mech, why only mention 1 NA player when there are clearly 2 NA players using Mech was well? do you have any grudge against Avilo or something?


It would be like me writing an article about the DT/Corsair innovation in TvP brood war, and then mentioning every Protoss that has ever used it...except the man...bisu -_-


I like how you compared yourself to Bisu and that you got the matchup wrong too (PvZ) but still i guess you should still get credit

Ahaha, I hadn't noticed : D
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Phaenoman
Profile Joined February 2013
568 Posts
January 04 2014 07:37 GMT
#49
On January 04 2014 08:24 PoisonTV wrote:
This combined with the recent upset after several Terrans started beating very proficient Zerg players, perhaps most notably the Goody vs TLO games in the group stages of BCON Clash #2 where Goody with his extremely defensive (as others might call it – passive) style won him two games against the Team Liquid player, creating many outbursts of a broken style and abusive play. This really sparked my interest in a relatively unexplored field to me, creating the initial ground for this article.


I am not sure if this sounds more negative than its supposed to be or I am getting it all wrong. Why is a strat called "abusiv"? Then every working strat should be considered abusiv.
Random is hard work dude...
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
January 04 2014 08:29 GMT
#50
On January 04 2014 08:30 avilo wrote:
There's something/someone you seem to have left out of your article, the innovator of the raven style that's been using it since MLG DC 2010. But anyone reading already knows

Fuzer?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
January 04 2014 08:35 GMT
#51
On January 04 2014 09:36 avilo wrote:
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On January 04 2014 09:22 PoisonTV wrote:
Thank you for you feedback , As you have pointed out it is called the Modern Mechanic and discuses with such an individual who meets that criteria. When we produce a 'History of Mechanics' we will surely be in contact. Thank you again for your feedback.


Let me rephrase: it mentions every player except conveniently does not mention the one that popularized and innovated the modern mech + raven style. It is quite obvious to anyone reading :D

It was you? lol. I have saw several players to use mass ravens since 2010
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
January 04 2014 09:14 GMT
#52
Great article, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Would be great if you could get GoOdy and Strelok interviews as well.

For the unaware and misinformed avilo did not invent mech. Just classic him trying to take credit for things he doesn't deserve.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/vws05/avilos_long_history_of_esports_dramadisrespect/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 09:37:15
January 04 2014 09:29 GMT
#53
Nice interview, OP. HTOMario seems a good dude and a switched on Starcraft player. I've never seen him stream. Your article has made me want to check out his twitch vods. An aggressive and mobile mech style is something I can live with for SC2.

GL Mario.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Zeweig
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden189 Posts
January 04 2014 10:19 GMT
#54
On January 04 2014 12:22 SoFrOsTy wrote:
You lost me at "HTOMario is the strongest Mech player". Thought this was serious. Also to Avilo, you literally popularized nothing. So please stop!

I said that he was one of the strongest meching players in NA, which is from what I have seen, absolutely true.
Commentator for Esports Heaven, covering mainly European and Chinese events. I do observing and writing on the side.
Zeweig
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden189 Posts
January 04 2014 10:24 GMT
#55
On January 04 2014 16:37 Phaenoman wrote:
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On January 04 2014 08:24 PoisonTV wrote:
This combined with the recent upset after several Terrans started beating very proficient Zerg players, perhaps most notably the Goody vs TLO games in the group stages of BCON Clash #2 where Goody with his extremely defensive (as others might call it – passive) style won him two games against the Team Liquid player, creating many outbursts of a broken style and abusive play. This really sparked my interest in a relatively unexplored field to me, creating the initial ground for this article.


I am not sure if this sounds more negative than its supposed to be or I am getting it all wrong. Why is a strat called "abusiv"? Then every working strat should be considered abusiv.

I was waiting for someone to notice that. I have casted a lot of games with goody, and all receiving comments on how abusive of a style it is, and that it's basically him forcing the tie and people are too impatient. The prime example of this was TLO vs Goody in the BCON Clash. First game was around 40-50 minutes I think and 2nd was around one and a half hours. TLO went along and wrote "sigh" and the chat was exploding with whether this style is abusive or not.
Commentator for Esports Heaven, covering mainly European and Chinese events. I do observing and writing on the side.
GoldforGolden
Profile Joined September 2012
China102 Posts
January 04 2014 10:57 GMT
#56
On January 04 2014 12:22 SoFrOsTy wrote:
You lost me at "HTOMario is the strongest Mech player". Thought this was serious. Also to Avilo, you literally popularized nothing. So please stop!

learn to read before getting lost.
We think too much, feel too little
fried_rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
198 Posts
January 04 2014 12:48 GMT
#57
As a mech player I find this this thread as a whole is cringe worthy and just bad, I feel sorry for the original poster who went through the trouble of interviewing HTOMario.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46473 Posts
January 04 2014 13:03 GMT
#58
Interesting interview! Thanks for posting this. I'm not really sure why someone would only play one particular style, but if he's having success, then that's great!

On January 04 2014 08:47 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 08:43 PaeZ wrote:
Your article seems nice! But you seem to forget Avilo? He is alongside Mario the only consistent NA top terran who can make Mech work in all matchups. Not to mention they have played some TvT's between themselves with both winning some.

I mean you mention 2 european players that are famous for using Mech, why only mention 1 NA player when there are clearly 2 NA players using Mech was well? do you have any grudge against Avilo or something?


It would be like me writing an article about the DT/Corsair innovation in TvP brood war, and then mentioning every Protoss that has ever used it...except the man...bisu -_-


Yes you're just like Bisu >.>

Except I'm pretty sure that the Bisu Build wasn't TvP lol...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 04 2014 13:08 GMT
#59
C'mon, Avilo is on par with HTOMario, so him saying he deserves also some recognition is true.
+ Saying he's the father of Raven lategame composition, I don't know but what I'am sure is that's he's one of the best at it, and for a very long time. He deserves some recognition, no need to bash him for the sake of it because he's Avilo.
I do admit he's a bit crude but well.

Anyway, good interview. For me, mech will always be associated to Mvp because he's the best at it. Period.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
January 04 2014 13:44 GMT
#60
There are some very ABUSIVE strats and builds for mech (in TvZ) out there right now. The thing they abuse is the fact, that noone knows a lot about them and only very few are able to counter them because of that. But they are not strong - they are just not figured out.
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