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On January 05 2014 03:14 vNmMasterT wrote:good job Yosho, you clearly deserved the recognition. Over the last year you have transformed from this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=yosho&gb=date&d=to the all humble, blame yourself always before balance, modern mechanic HTOMario. What a personality (and gameplay) overhaul you have gone through.Bravo! Avilo's main problem was that he never went through a personality change like you since Hots was released. He prefers to work on his mech play like he has done so since WoL beta. Btw I don't think you can legitly get to rank 28 gm w/ random, since you have already been caught by Yume for getting boosted into gm. http://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/1h3j6j/htomario_possibly_boosted_to_gm_verify/It is sad that baseless witch hunts forced players like EmpireMista to retire, yet legit claims like this is simply glossed over by the community when the target is someone with a nice guy reputation and having built a strong group of followers.
The boosting claim had insufficient evidence.
For starters, Mario consistently kicks GM ass on stream, both on the ladder and in tournaments so he has no reason to boost. Secondly, multiple third-parties (including the likes of filtersc) testified that Mario is fully capable of playing at 230 apm when he is not playing slo-mo mech.
Thirdly, he obviously does not stream every single game he plays, especially games that do not provide what people watch Mario for (mech). In order to have a profitable business, you must 1: offer satisfactory products/services and 2: offer them consistently. You go to the grocery store because they offer food all the time. You watch Day9 because he consistently gives you high-quality humor and strategy. HTOMario's only draw is his mech play. There are better players streaming than Mario, but none of them mech.
HTOMario can be BM. Everyone can, especially when one is doing new things and sucking at them.
The control group setup is definitely odd, but that's about the only accusation that holds any water. Mario did offer an explanation for that oddity, but better players than me would need to analyze that to determine its veracity.
Overall, the evidence was grossly insufficient to proclaim Mario guilty, especially when one is doing what is right and assuming he is innocent until proven guilty. As in, actually proven. Suspicious isn't proven, we all do suspicious things.
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On January 05 2014 04:29 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 00:24 agahamsorr0w wrote:On January 04 2014 23:54 Lyyna wrote:On January 04 2014 23:23 agahamsorr0w wrote:
to be fair, avilo has been trying to make raven usage work since what? early 2012? give him some credit. Should i do the same than him, because i'm using Mech + banshee -> raven -> sky since 2011 then and even made the only big guide about it in one MU? --' He's not just trying to "get credit". He's trying to pull all credits and attention about this subject to himself, and basically want to get crowned as the king, god, and savior of Mech since Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty came out Being the first to do it on stream =/= invented =/= popularized =/= made it used by pros. Some people should realize that, and some people should figure out what "multiple parts" means, since it was said a couple times by the op.. The content itself is nice and it would be stupid to turn another mech-based discussion into an avilo praise/hate-thread if you can do better then i suggest you start streaming and promoting mech yourself. Avilo might be a little arrogant but i know some people who have been inspired by him. who have you inspired? stop trying to get people down to your level with your hate and envy. hes just trying to get some recognition. after all, why do we play this game for? for sure its not to get bitched on by some random dude on a forum. Trying to get some recognition doesn't mean coming into a thread and whining like a 12 year old kid because he wasn't mentioned.
You quote him once where he whines because he didnt get mentioned in the thread.
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On January 05 2014 06:13 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 03:14 vNmMasterT wrote:good job Yosho, you clearly deserved the recognition. Over the last year you have transformed from this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=yosho&gb=date&d=to the all humble, blame yourself always before balance, modern mechanic HTOMario. What a personality (and gameplay) overhaul you have gone through.Bravo! Avilo's main problem was that he never went through a personality change like you since Hots was released. He prefers to work on his mech play like he has done so since WoL beta. Btw I don't think you can legitly get to rank 28 gm w/ random, since you have already been caught by Yume for getting boosted into gm. http://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/1h3j6j/htomario_possibly_boosted_to_gm_verify/It is sad that baseless witch hunts forced players like EmpireMista to retire, yet legit claims like this is simply glossed over by the community when the target is someone with a nice guy reputation and having built a strong group of followers. The boosting claim had insufficient evidence. For starters, Mario consistently kicks GM ass on stream, both on the ladder and in tournaments so he has no reason to boost. Secondly, multiple third-parties (including the likes of filtersc) testified that Mario is fully capable of playing at 230 apm when he is not playing slo-mo mech. Thirdly, he obviously does not stream every single game he plays, especially games that do not provide what people watch Mario for (mech). In order to have a profitable business, you must 1: offer satisfactory products/services and 2: offer them consistently. You go to the grocery store because they offer food all the time. You watch Day9 because he consistently gives you high-quality humor and strategy. HTOMario's only draw is his mech play. There are better players streaming than Mario, but none of them mech. HTOMario can be BM. Everyone can, especially when one is doing new things and sucking at them. The control group setup is definitely odd, but that's about the only accusation that holds any water. Mario did offer an explanation for that oddity, but better players than me would need to analyze that to determine its veracity. Overall, the evidence was grossly insufficient to proclaim Mario guilty, especially when one is doing what is right and assuming he is innocent until proven guilty. As in, actually proven. Suspicious isn't proven, we all do suspicious things.
Ironically, the best evidence to prove this is provided by HTOMario himself.
First of all, this is the replay provided by Yume, which shows the mismatched hotkeys and spam pattern:
http://drop.sc/346199 - Replay 1
To defend himself, HTOMario uploaded a replay to show that he can reproduce this bio style with the same hotkeys, even played it on stream he says.
http://drop.sc/346227 - Replay 2
If he is innocent, the two replays should show the same hotkey patterns and spam patterns. HOWEVER, if you just bother to look at the replay, you will see:
- In Replay 1, 3 is hotkeyed for barracks, 4 for fac, 5 for cc + ebay, 6 for starport, 1 + 2 for units
- In Replay 1, every "unit hotkey" assigned to 1 is also assigned to 2 simultaneously
- In Replay 2, 4 is initially hotkeyed for barracks (Never the case with Replay 1), then to 3, with both 3 and 4 getting used to select barracks sparingly. The production hotkey spam pattern is very different from Replay 1
- In Replay 2, CC is initially hotkeyed from 1 - 0 just like Replay 1, BUT throughout the game only 2 is used for selecting CCs, 5 remains UNUSED.
- In Replay 2, every unit hotkey is assigned to 1 WITHOUT also assigning to 2
This is just from looking at the replays with sc2gears' Hotkeys graph. Just with these observations it is 99.9% sure that the HTOMario from Replay 1 and Replay 2 are not the same player.
Onto looking from the APM chart:
The main tell here is the XAPM difference of HTOMario from these 2 replays. In Replay 1, an XAPM of 267 (+5%) means that the "screen APM" here is 267-254 = 13. In Replay 2, an XAPM of 304 (+1%) means that HTOMario has a screen APM of 304-299 = 5. This is more than double the difference between the two numbers. I concede this is not as major a tell, but there's more.....
Look at the Action Distribution chart:
- In replay 1 the distribution is 18% select, 40% hotkey, 31% right click
- In replay 2 the distribution is 29% select, 52% hotkey, 12% right click.
The action distribution of a player stays relatively even between games, and given that Replay 1 and Replay 2 are similar enough in length, this is a huge discrepency in the action distribution.
In conclusion, there is more than 99.99% chance that the two HTOMarios in Replay 1 and Replay 2 are not the same. This shows me two things:
1. HTOMario is just a dumb person. His evidence to defend himself is so obviously fake that its really insulting. In addition, this is the only game he bothered to play with his bio style to prove that he is innocent. Keep in mind all my analysis is from looking at the replay HTOMario HIMSELF provided to show that he is innocent. After going through his defense I find him to be EVEN MORE suspicious.
2. Something very fishy is going on around this HTOMario guy.
The community is soooo funny too. Why does it matter if the real HTOMario can get to GM by himself without boosting? Why does it mean it won't be better to be boosted a bit to get GM faster? The APM argument was from 6 months ago and may no longer be valid, but ffs just look at all the other the fucking evidence: the hotkeys, the spam patterns, etc. There are things that are very very difficult to change and for some reason people just choose to ignore them.
You say "suspicious isn't proven, we all do suspicious things." Well suspicions never get proven when people just ignore all the evidence provided to them. Have you try to look at the replays yourself? Just look at the replays yourself and everything should be clear as day.
EDIT: here are some links for you people to look for "normal HTOMario" replays so that you can compare them against Replay 1 (provided by Yume) and Replay 2 (provided by HTOMario) and just SEE FOR YOURSELF instead of saying shit like "but it's never officially proven that...." Just look at the evidence for yourself ffs.
http://drop.sc/players/US/3203375/HTOMario
http://www.ggtracker.com/players/142783/HTOMario
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If you feel this is still an on going problem , please make a separate post rather than using it to drive your own agenda
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1. HTOMario is just a dumb person. His evidence to defend himself is so obviously fake that its really insulting. In addition, this is the only game he bothered to play with his bio style to prove that he is innocent. Keep in mind all my analysis is from looking at the replay HTOMario HIMSELF provided to show that he is innocent. After going through his defense I find him to be EVEN MORE suspicious.
2. Something very fishy is going on around this HTOMario guy.
?? I spent 2 days dedicating to showing my bio play to disprove this rumor on stream... Having a positive win loss as pure bio in mid - high gm. Same hotkeys, strategies, apm.
I also stated I was trying to find different ways to play the game, different controls etc.
This is in no way related to the op and I would appreciate it if you stopped trying to smear my name.
I mean it's great you you did your homework (incorrect) but.. why the hell would I need a boost to grandmaster? I do it for sport as every race.. multiple times... per season, on stream?
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American Steel
Not all players that hurt poor little insects with their transformable racecars with blue flames are European. Say hello to HTOMario! Playing for Love Your Girlfriend, an up and coming team with players all over the world (who are in the process of picking up Tassadar and Genius into their roster), Mario has been doing very well for himself. Being in top Grandmaster with mech as well as high Grandmaster as random, while having a stream with over two thousand followers and releasing replay packs for the public, he is one of the most well known mech players you will find.
a few sentences later.
Now, HTOMario is originally from Belgium, but lives in America with his family
lol.
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On January 05 2014 08:23 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +
American Steel
Not all players that hurt poor little insects with their transformable racecars with blue flames are European. Say hello to HTOMario! Playing for Love Your Girlfriend, an up and coming team with players all over the world (who are in the process of picking up Tassadar and Genius into their roster), Mario has been doing very well for himself. Being in top Grandmaster with mech as well as high Grandmaster as random, while having a stream with over two thousand followers and releasing replay packs for the public, he is one of the most well known mech players you will find.
a few sentences later. Show nested quote +Now, HTOMario is originally from Belgium, but lives in America with his family lol.
What is wrong with that? Americans came from Europe, Asia, Africa so HTOmario is embodying the true American spirit! Americans are like the all-star of the world, we take the best of everything and claim it as our own and anything bad we bomb!
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On January 06 2014 04:57 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 08:23 JacobShock wrote:
American Steel
Not all players that hurt poor little insects with their transformable racecars with blue flames are European. Say hello to HTOMario! Playing for Love Your Girlfriend, an up and coming team with players all over the world (who are in the process of picking up Tassadar and Genius into their roster), Mario has been doing very well for himself. Being in top Grandmaster with mech as well as high Grandmaster as random, while having a stream with over two thousand followers and releasing replay packs for the public, he is one of the most well known mech players you will find.
a few sentences later. Now, HTOMario is originally from Belgium, but lives in America with his family lol. What is wrong with that? Americans came from Europe, Asia, Africa so HTOmario is embodying the true American spirit! Americans are like the all-star of the world, we take the best of everything and claim it as our own and anything bad we bomb!
I was like "wtf" then I realize it was true.
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On January 06 2014 04:57 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 08:23 JacobShock wrote:
American Steel
Not all players that hurt poor little insects with their transformable racecars with blue flames are European. Say hello to HTOMario! Playing for Love Your Girlfriend, an up and coming team with players all over the world (who are in the process of picking up Tassadar and Genius into their roster), Mario has been doing very well for himself. Being in top Grandmaster with mech as well as high Grandmaster as random, while having a stream with over two thousand followers and releasing replay packs for the public, he is one of the most well known mech players you will find.
a few sentences later. Now, HTOMario is originally from Belgium, but lives in America with his family lol. What is wrong with that? Americans came from Europe, Asia, Africa so HTOmario is embodying the true American spirit! Americans are like the all-star of the world, we take the best of everything and claim it as our own and anything bad we bomb!
If it works like that, then everyone is african since thats where the first human has evolved from monkeys.
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On January 06 2014 07:10 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 04:57 phodacbiet wrote:On January 05 2014 08:23 JacobShock wrote:
American Steel
Not all players that hurt poor little insects with their transformable racecars with blue flames are European. Say hello to HTOMario! Playing for Love Your Girlfriend, an up and coming team with players all over the world (who are in the process of picking up Tassadar and Genius into their roster), Mario has been doing very well for himself. Being in top Grandmaster with mech as well as high Grandmaster as random, while having a stream with over two thousand followers and releasing replay packs for the public, he is one of the most well known mech players you will find.
a few sentences later. Now, HTOMario is originally from Belgium, but lives in America with his family lol. What is wrong with that? Americans came from Europe, Asia, Africa so HTOmario is embodying the true American spirit! Americans are like the all-star of the world, we take the best of everything and claim it as our own and anything bad we bomb! If it works like that, then everyone is african since thats where the first human has evolved from monkeys.
eh... we're not monkeys, we're all related to adam and his rib
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I just had a thought, a cool addition to this article could be going into the origins of mech, I mean way back in SC1 before brood war even. See who were the first pros to start using it. I know Nada is one of them but I'm sure it goes further back than that.
and despite what some undeservedly arrogant dumb mentally unstable individuals (cough cough) might say there really is no one person who started mech.
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On January 05 2014 07:25 vNmMasterT wrote:
In conclusion, there is more than 99.99% chance that the two HTOMarios in Replay 1 and Replay 2 are not the same. This shows me two things:
1. HTOMario is just a dumb person. His evidence to defend himself is so obviously fake that its really insulting. In addition, this is the only game he bothered to play with his bio style to prove that he is innocent. Keep in mind all my analysis is from looking at the replay HTOMario HIMSELF provided to show that he is innocent. After going through his defense I find him to be EVEN MORE suspicious.
2. Something very fishy is going on around this HTOMario guy.
The slander on Mario is ridiculous on so many levels. The guy has literally hundreds of hours worth of streaming at the GM level, so what is the point to go into such great detail over two replays, and what exactly is the charge here? So, he is GM level, but it's possible someone else played a game on his account? "Boosting" is a reach, to say the least, considering he archives all of his broadcasts on twitch.
Another thing, it's not that uncommon for people to borrow accounts. I'm not saying that he did that, but I remember last year(or 2) when Crank used one of Bischu's account for NA ladder... so, it's really not that big of a deal to begin with. You know, maybe someone didn't want/have the money for another account?
From what I have seen on Mario's stream, he interacts with the viewers and provides good commentary, and really seems to be committed to the scene. It's unfortunate he has to come into this thread and defend himself like this. His work has paid off with some love from the OP, and this stench of jealousy isn't becoming.
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I feel really sorry for the OP this thread has been flooded with avilo and his minions.
I sometimes watch Mario's stream he seems like cool guy, enjoyed the interview. Good job looking forward for more 
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Avilo is a giant, prudish, asshole... "Gib me all credit, I am teh original!!!!" Some poor kid is angry he didnt get an interview and someone else did. Boo hoo. You dont see Day9 Running into all threads about husky and complaining that he streamed first "wahhhhhhhh husky wasnt teh first wai u gais liek him moar! Wahhhh."
What a bitch avilo is... rofl
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Thanks for all the positive feedback, we have spoken to a few meching players and can say we have some new exciting interviews to come!
Also a big thank you for giving us some great ideas to play with
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Can't wait for more, especially more interviews with other mech terrans to see another side of the mech style besides that of HTOMario, since I really do love AviMech and goody mech. No knock on mario, but I never really liked his style of mech, too fruity for me 
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On January 07 2014 11:51 NorthQuab wrote:Can't wait for more, especially more interviews with other mech terrans to see another side of the mech style besides that of HTOMario, since I really do love AviMech and goody mech. No knock on mario, but I never really liked his style of mech, too fruity for me
Too fruity? Whatever does that mean in this context? I am curious =D
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If avilo is the modern mechanic, it makes me nostalgic.
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Thanks for the great interview PoisonTV! I'm really glad you interviewed HTOMario. I really like watching his stream - always high-quality games, no balance whine, and decent interaction with chat. Plus, he's a married guy with a family like myself and I like seeing someone of our stamp do so well, especially with a lower-popularity style such as mech.
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Awesome to see Mario get some recognition. Been a fan of his for a long time. Keep up the good work.
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