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HyuN owed $23,000 in back pay and prize money by Quantic -…

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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
January 01 2014 14:08 GMT
#301
Lol at Simon Boudreault. That's what a noob in business looks like. Sorry for Hyun though, his good bet is to find a competent team for a year-long contract that would go after the debt that Quantic owes him in court. Otherwise forget about it and move on :/
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 01 2014 14:13 GMT
#302
This is really sad. Gl HyuN.
Dtogi
Profile Joined August 2013
France17 Posts
January 01 2014 14:19 GMT
#303
Really Sad for Hyun, please guys check this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439725#19

#savehyun
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FnaticNaama
Profile Joined February 2010
Finland120 Posts
January 01 2014 14:23 GMT
#304
I remember this guy from homestorycup. Afterparty night he borrowed some money from some dude but never showed up the last day to pay it back ^^
Naama - Dreamhack 2010 Champion and a proud creator of naama scv train and naama wall-in
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 01 2014 14:29 GMT
#305
The thing is, Hyun is a young adult living in Korea with little English skill, zero knowledge about law & all these stuffs. It's rather unlikely that he has the ability, time, patience & money to sue a Canadian org.
My take is that if they want to hurt, you simply cant do shit. This happened very frequently in wc3. Foreign teams are not that great for Koreans
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 01 2014 14:38 GMT
#306
If that kind of thing happens even with big respectable teams like Quantic (who I thought seemed to have lots of money), we can only imagine the shadiness to be feared with smaller esports organizations. Didn't expect this, wow. ;/
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
mouzChase
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany66 Posts
January 01 2014 14:40 GMT
#307
[spoiler]On January 01 2014 22:04 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 21:58 mouzChase wrote:
On January 01 2014 20:56 aTnClouD wrote:
Well honestly Alternate owes me a lot of money too which they refuse to pay for no reason and to other players too, and I know many other players haven't been paid by their teams. Esport business is still very shady.
The problem is that other than bringing the facts to public attention the players have no power to do anything. And these swindling teams don't really give a fuck.


I don't get it. Players need to sign contracts, in these contracts should be written facts about payment and rules for prizemoney, so why has a player not chance to fight for himself ?! I, as a player would go all the way to get what i earned ! And thats what Hyun should do too.

I don't know Hyun's situation, but as far as I understand he should definitely go for legal measures, considering the amount of money is that big. For my and other Alternate players case they were doing some stuff not legally to begin with and we were completely unaware of it, and that messed up all the terms of the contract for us. Also would it be smart to bring to court this stuff against a big company and spend lots of time and money to get back a few thousand euros?
I can imagine it works the same for other players. The money owed is simply not enough to invest the time and cash to hire a lawyer and get it back, and most of them are too young and unexperienced or they don't have the resources to get what they deserve. The teams are perfectly aware of this and for this reason some of them don't care about the players condition or what is owed to them.

edit: point is that all progamers come from a place of scarcity because of gaming background and they are all very young, so teams know they can get away with lots of shit without much repercussion


Ok, got your point and you're right but as you said, in Hyun's case he should force it, the amount of money is so high and i guess he could get a lot of help if he decides to do so. Would be a good example maybe for other persons and for the future for everybody, especially for the player - organisation relationship
My opinion here does not reflect the views of my team / twitter @mouzChase / I <3 Scarlett
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
January 01 2014 14:46 GMT
#308
Wow, this is disgusting. I feel sorry for Hyun since he's been on Quantic for so long and I thought it was a decently funded team. So far, the only teams that have shown me, both their competence in management, and their ability to pay players, are Evil Geniuses, Alliance, and Team Liquid - given their sponsors and the history of the players even after they retire.

I really hope Hyun gets his money back somehow - would seriously hire a lawyer and consult him/her about the problem. Figures a 23 year old who inherited his wealth from his father would screw people over and dump $200,000+ on esports without getting a return.

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/simon-boudreault-quantic-gaming-disappear-collapse/
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1965 Posts
January 01 2014 14:47 GMT
#309
GJ killing esports...
Total Annihilation Zero
Fasy
Profile Joined August 2012
Italy13 Posts
January 01 2014 14:49 GMT
#310
this whole thing disgust me, very hateful person
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 01 2014 14:52 GMT
#311
On January 01 2014 23:38 figq wrote:
If that kind of thing happens even with big respectable teams like Quantic (who I thought seemed to have lots of money), we can only imagine the shadiness to be feared with smaller esports organizations. Didn't expect this, wow. ;/


I guess you missed all the stories with regards to Quantic, lol. ;/
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
January 01 2014 14:53 GMT
#312
I hate this type of stuff. Hopefully they find the guy and work things out
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51471 Posts
January 01 2014 14:54 GMT
#313
$23,000 jesus so much money, like a decent years salary of money
Hope you find him Hyun
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sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
January 01 2014 14:54 GMT
#314
Was wondering when the 'Quantic is a big scam' thing would come along. Took way longer than I had ever expected, considering how their "reformation" went down.

It's in these cases you wish tournament organisations paid out prize money directly to the player and not through the teams.
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
January 01 2014 14:55 GMT
#315
Let's hear Simon's side before we jump to conclusions.

If HyuN's story is true on the salient points, the story is quite damning.
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
dehydrogenaza
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland122 Posts
January 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#316
Lol I love how the consensus of this thread seems to be "poor HyuN, no point in even trying to get his 23k$ back".

Real life story: in my 3rd world country of Poland, my mom was scammed for fucking 600 PLN (<200 USD) on Allegro (Polish equivalent of eBay). She sued the scumbag, got her money back, never had to pay anything (the seller had to). But HyuN should just forget about his 23k, move to another team and be scammed again.

Canada must be a horrible place to live.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40188 Posts
January 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#317
On January 01 2014 23:58 dehydrogenaza wrote:
Lol I love how the consensus of this thread seems to be "poor HyuN, no point in even trying to get his 23k$ back".

Real life story: in my 3rd world country of Poland, my mom was scammed for fucking 600 PLN (<200 USD) on Allegro (Polish equivalent of eBay). She sued the scumbag, got her money back, never had to pay anything (the seller had to). But HyuN should just forget about his 23k, move to another team and be scammed again.

Canada must be a horrible place to live.

There is a small but notable difference between your case and Hyun's. For one we do not know on what terms those 23k got to Simon in the first place.
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puderle
Profile Joined March 2013
10 Posts
January 01 2014 15:05 GMT
#318
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Tabashi
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium129 Posts
January 01 2014 15:07 GMT
#319
I sent an e-mail to all the sponsors of Quantic Gaming. I hope someone finds that Simon dude and make him pay! In some countries they would chop off his hands if he'd be found guilty of theft...
"I'll be the hero you deserve." - HerO, aKa the Batman Protoss
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
January 01 2014 15:07 GMT
#320
On January 01 2014 23:55 Emperor_Earth wrote:
Let's hear Simon's side before we jump to conclusions.

Good luck with that.
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