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Mvp's tvz was good at iem
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opterown
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
haha this guy
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United States23455 Posts
On December 24 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi. Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house. Give JD props for trying out something new.
I'm sorry but how exactly is playing exclusively in WCS KR and not having opportunities in many foreign tournaments the "easy way"
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On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem
Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 24 2013 08:53 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote:On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi. Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house. Give JD props for trying out something new. I'm sorry but how exactly is playing exclusively in WCS KR and not having opportunities in many foreign tournaments the "easy way"
And does anyone really think JD isn't getting a nice salary with EG?
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On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
hahah that just sounds silly.
"argh, when I see units warp in, my neck sends shooting pains through my body!"
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Looking forward to some PvProleague.
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On December 24 2013 08:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? haha this guy
If you joined TL in late 2011 obviously you wouldn't understand that you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru. Obviously he wasn't as good for the second half of 2013 and he might still be worse now, but I don't see why Maru would be favored to do better than Flash in proleague. It lasts for half a year which is more than enough time for Flash to regain form. Of course, all pending on whether he stays motivated.
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On December 24 2013 09:07 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.) hahah that just sounds silly. "argh, when I see units warp in, my neck sends shooting pains through my body!"
Protoss so imba they physically damage the opposing player. D:
His neck problems apparently make certain in game actions hard to perform, and those actions appear mainly in TvP, iirc.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year?
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On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
He looked decent vs San at the last IEM.
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United States97276 Posts
On December 24 2013 09:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.) He looked decent vs San at the last IEM.
Yeah he should have beat San if it werent for that clutch storm on Belshir or Mvp kind of throwing away the Derelict Watcher game
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I wish narrowly losing to San made up for not so narrowly losing to foreigners all the time. 
But hmm, I'll take what hope I can get, would be nice if he improved his TvP form.
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What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ?
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Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
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On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ?
He retired ages ago, before hots I believe.
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On December 24 2013 08:04 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D Personally I don't think Jin Air will win it all but they are a KeSPA team so they will probably be pretty proleague focused so I think they will still do fairly well with their roster.
I think Jin Air is a pretty solid top 3 team but SKT or CJ are the favorite to win proleague.
Also Flash is nowhere near Maru's level, don't kid yourselves. His mechanics are almost as good as Maru's but his game sense and ability to prepare for opponents is bottom-tier among progamers.
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United States23455 Posts
On December 24 2013 09:17 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:51 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
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JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? haha this guy If you joined TL in late 2011 obviously you wouldn't understand that you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru. Obviously he wasn't as good for the second half of 2013 and he might still be worse now, but I don't see why Maru would be favored to do better than Flash in proleague. It lasts for half a year which is more than enough time for Flash to regain form. Of course, all pending on whether he stays motivated.
First off join date is a silly thing to pull out.
Secondly, when has Flash shown that he is, "considerably more talented than Maru" at SC2? I'll go ahead and tell you, pretty much never. Maru has outplayed Flash through all of HotS, and there is virtually no evidence to say that Flash is better than Maru at this game. Maybe because of your early join date (such hipster, so impress) you are still living in Brood War.
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On December 24 2013 09:37 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ? He retired ages ago, before hots I believe.
The hold of his 2rax by Roro was too much to bear.
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