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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 23 2013 20:34 GMT
#281
On December 24 2013 05:30 sharkie wrote:
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On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.


It may sound crazy but this might actually be the reason I did not miss PL at all...

Whaddya mean, jaedong bandwagon fanboy slapfights were fun but you gotta have variety on your bandwagon slapfights, bisu is gone and stork is down for the count so it's just flash.
Glorious SEA doto
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 23 2013 20:36 GMT
#282
I just wish that KT zergs start performing finally, and not just in playoffs. Hoping for action to be the next yellow.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
December 23 2013 20:53 GMT
#283
so pumped for this to start!
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 23 2013 20:56 GMT
#284
On December 24 2013 05:09 Zealously wrote:
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On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.


Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.

I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.


I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point.


I posted earlier:

On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:
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On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too.....

Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed?


On December 23 2013 18:28 ZAiNs wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4234852/1/First/
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4064798/1/yoda/

They both seem to be having internet stability issues and are leaving some games instantly. I didn't think it would be the real First until I saw that it was a new account and he was laddering the same time as an account called Yoda. Patience also is unsurprisingly playing in WCS Europe.


You can see they both started laddering a few days ago.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 21:02 GMT
#285
On December 24 2013 05:56 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:09 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.


Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.

I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.


I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point.


I posted earlier:

Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too.....

Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed?


Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 18:28 ZAiNs wrote:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4234852/1/First/
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4064798/1/yoda/

They both seem to be having internet stability issues and are leaving some games instantly. I didn't think it would be the real First until I saw that it was a new account and he was laddering the same time as an account called Yoda. Patience also is unsurprisingly playing in WCS Europe.


You can see they both started laddering a few days ago.


Oh I knew that part, we just don't know what the situation is with them and IM, do we?
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monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
December 23 2013 21:05 GMT
#286
no Bang and no Puzzle hmmm..
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
December 23 2013 21:09 GMT
#287
On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
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On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 23 2013 21:12 GMT
#288
On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:
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On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.


Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 21:17:20
December 23 2013 21:13 GMT
#289
On December 24 2013 05:10 BisuDagger wrote:
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote
On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.

JinAir >>>>>> KT

That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible.

For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?).

Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.

TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too.

KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though.

Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...

completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.

Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.

You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances.

I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.

I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.

Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?

He's like 15 and he's wiping the floor right now. His middling performances came with WOL. He is a top HoTS terran and Flash is still trying to be single player on Brutal.

Haha, that's a bit of an understatement of Flash's skill. He may not be a top 5 Terran right now, but he's certainly still extremely good, especially in Proleague.

Top 10 Terran imo, 15 at absolute worst.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
December 23 2013 21:14 GMT
#290
On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.


Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned


But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something.
FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 21:22:58
December 23 2013 21:16 GMT
#291
On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.


Put any other player in Flash' position on that awful KT team and tell me they win PL. They dont even have a zerg player worth mentioning

Also no Bisu
KT Flash// WhiteRa/Scarlett/Naniwa/MC/Huk/Nony
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 21:16 GMT
#292
On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:
On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.


Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned


But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something.


Well that's just wrong. Winning tournaments isn't all that matters. I'd go as far as to say that winning games in impressive fashion (a la mid-2013 Innovation) is more impressive and does more for a player's reputation than "just" winning tournaments. Flash deserves respect for his Proleague performance, no doubt.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
December 23 2013 21:19 GMT
#293
Why does Flash have so many anti-fans?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 21:21:16
December 23 2013 21:20 GMT
#294
On December 24 2013 06:19 Grumbels wrote:
Why does Flash have so many anti-fans?


In SC2, what you refer to as "Flash anti-fans" are known as "Sensible human beings"
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 23 2013 21:41 GMT
#295
On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:

I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.


Actually this is just wrong. If you look at the tournaments, they attended, Maru has not a single tournament showing outside of WCS. Flash and sOs both attendet the WCS tournaments as well as IEM NY and DH Bucharest.

This is the starting point, so as you can see, Flash and sOs are the ones travelling more than Maru. Now lets look at the differences, that came from their performances:
-Both Maru and sOs outperform Flash during WCS Korea, which is the only reason, why they attend Season finals/Blizzcon
-At DH, sOs makes top 6, qualifying for DH Winter. Flash loses to DIMAGA, YugiOh and MMA and gets eliminated in the group stages. So again, the only reason, that sOs attends the tourney and Flash does´nt, is because sOs outperformed Flash.
- Finally, sOs received a seed for RB Battlegrounds, because he won Blizzcon, a tournament, Flash could´nt qualify for.

So as you see, Flash had the same chance to show his talent as sOs did and even more than Maru. They just out-performed him at nearly every single tournament, they attended (The exception being WCS Kor season 2, were sOs got knocked out early, but WCS Korea S3, IEM and DH did go in sOs favor)
On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:

Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?

This sentence confuses me. If I would say " Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Inca/RainBOw?", people would laugh at me, but both, Inca and RainBOw are actually former GSL finalists, while Flash did´nt make the quarterfinal once. So, speaking in facts again: Maru is doing well since June. That is six months, not three. In this time, he made 5 WCS Korea/WCS Season Finals/Blizzcon/GSL HotSixcup semifinals.Flash could´nt make a WCS/GSL semi-final in his entire SC2 career. The "three years of middling performances" were, when he was 13, 14 and close to 15. Do you expect a 13-yo to dominate the scene? Probably not. The question should´nt be "people think Maru is better Flash?", it should be "People doubt that?".
Ziggles
Profile Joined January 2013
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 21:53:55
December 23 2013 21:53 GMT
#296
So when does fantasy proleague start up?
Practice practice practice, and if you're not practicing, keep practicing - Fatal1ty FAVORITE TEAM IS SLAYERS NO ICON THO:(
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 23 2013 22:02 GMT
#297
Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?
Someone call down the Thunder?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 23 2013 22:05 GMT
#298
On December 24 2013 07:02 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?

Most of them look like they probably come pretty cheap based on name value but yeah it was more than I thought they had. Hopefully the rookies can show some good games.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
December 23 2013 22:05 GMT
#299
On December 24 2013 07:02 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?


They have secret ninja recruiters posing as middle-schoolers all over korea
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 23 2013 22:15 GMT
#300
No First or Yoda TT. Also no Bang. Was looking forward to seeing him more. Too bad.
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