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Trius
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine273 Posts
December 23 2013 19:56 GMT
#261
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 23 2013 20:00 GMT
#262
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 20:01 GMT
#263
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 23 2013 20:01 GMT
#264
CJ terrans are freaking good indeed.
RIP MKP
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
December 23 2013 20:03 GMT
#265
On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?

MVP does for sure. And if your standard is for Bbyong and Bunny to be decent Terrans then I think Fantasy+Bravo and Cure+Maru could also qualify.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 20:03 GMT
#266
On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?


In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:09:12
December 23 2013 20:06 GMT
#267
On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote
On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.

JinAir >>>>>> KT

That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible.

For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?).

Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.

TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too.

KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though.

Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...

completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.

Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.

You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances.

I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.

I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.

Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:07:39
December 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#268
On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.


Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.

I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 20:07 GMT
#269
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#270
On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.


Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.

I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.

Well there's nothing confirmed but there are reports for first and yoda being spotted on the European ladder and since they're not in the roster it suggests that they're going to EU. For the sake of clarity here's the post that I heard it from
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1tipmo/spl_round_1_rosters/ce8dz0f
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#271
On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !

CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...


Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.

Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?


We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.


Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.

I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.


I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
December 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#272
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#273
On December 24 2013 05:03 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?


In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each.

I guess I'm just not too familiar with players in that case.

Uneducated statements fml :<
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19278 Posts
December 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#274
On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote
On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.

JinAir >>>>>> KT

That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible.

For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?).

Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.

TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too.

KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though.

Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...

completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.

Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.

You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances.

I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.

I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.

Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?

He's like 15 and he's wiping the floor right now. His middling performances came with WOL. He is a top HoTS terran and Flash is still trying to be single player on Brutal.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:15:33
December 23 2013 20:14 GMT
#275
On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.

I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.


You might. And it's possible that he will do better than Maru. That doesn't necessarily make him a better player though, or he would have been the best player in the world after the last season of Proleague. As evidence by his post-PL results, that really was not the casew. Flash isn't bad, but nothing I've seen from him suggests that he'd even been capable of winning OSL or reaching multiple semi-finals against the kind of opposition Maru faced.

Edit: Oh and he's been doing really well for 5-6 months, not 3.

On December 24 2013 05:10 esdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:03 Zealously wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?


In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each.

I guess I'm just not too familiar with players in that case.

Uneducated statements fml :<


One could make a case for KT also having two strong Terrans in TY and Flash. The other three teams though... D:
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
December 23 2013 20:17 GMT
#276
On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote
On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.

JinAir >>>>>> KT

That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible.

For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?).

Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.

TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too.

KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though.

Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...

completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.

Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.

You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances.

I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.



Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?

Well, he obviously is. The few times I've seen Flash play in recent times he did not look good at all...

Maru on the other hand has been one of the best (if not the best) terrans for pretty much all of HotS.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 23 2013 20:17 GMT
#277
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.
Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
December 23 2013 20:28 GMT
#278
I want IM to win so badly, but after losing Yoda and First I feel like i'm hoping for a boxer to become heavyweight champion after he amputated both arms.

That being said, IM fighting!
Spread your eggs until they crack!
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 23 2013 20:29 GMT
#279
Well last proleague flash just had to scout a prepared protoss allin and defend them barely and then a-move over a clueless Protoss, so it looked like he is good. This year will be a bit tougher, atleast I hope so.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18476 Posts
December 23 2013 20:30 GMT
#280
On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.


It may sound crazy but this might actually be the reason I did not miss PL at all...
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