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What DiMano is basically saying is, that foreign tournaments are inferior to Korean ones and players focusing on foreing events inevitably lead to them focusing less on Korea, which I can agree upon. Also that foreign tournaments are regarded too high in community, while Korean are regarded less than they deserve. Which is also true, cause somebody countering his 'Taeja in Proleague' argument with 'Taeja in IPL TAC 3' is laughable.
On the other hand, for the players themselves it is a correct decision - the fans and the money are just not there in Korea, unfortunately. They have shifted towards LoL and we will see, maybe even SSL9 will have better fan support live then Proleague or GSL. All the while in Europe and (to a lesser extent) in NA, the fans are hungry for more good SC2, so players want to give it to them.
I just hope, that in the end this will shift, fans will come in high (or at least higher) numbers to Korean tournaments, new KR tournaments will be created (while the old ones like Proleague will continue unhindered), more money pumped into the scene by sponsors and the most important thing, KR scene will unify and the bullshit with eSF vs Kespa and Proleague vs GSTL will just end (yes, I still think Korean scene is kinda shooting itself into the foot all the time with stupid decisions and eSF vs Kespa bullshit).
In the end though, all of it is on Blizzard, they 'just' need to create a game that Korean kids will want to play in PC Bangs with their friends 
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On December 20 2013 04:54 mouzChase wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:41 Plansix wrote:
Korea may be the center of the world SC2, but it doesn't mean that players like Dear don't want to see all EU and NA have to offer. Korea isnt the center of the world in SC2, when you go by viewership and hype, tournaments in EU and NA are way greater, only the skill level has its center in korea
I would agree with you, but some folks see Korea as the nexus of SC2. But that doesn't stop the rest of the world from being really dope. It's filled with reasons to visit places that are not Korea. Like the food, beer, wine, ladies, sights, animals, ladies, landmarks and the local music.
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hoooooooooooooooly guacamoleeeeeeeeee!!! =O
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On December 20 2013 05:04 Ammanas wrote:What DiMano is basically saying is, that foreign tournaments are inferior to Korean ones and players focusing on foreing events inevitably lead to them focusing less on Korea, which I can agree upon. Also that foreign tournaments are regarded too high in community, while Korean are regarded less than they deserve. Which is also true, cause somebody countering his 'Taeja in Proleague' argument with 'Taeja in IPL TAC 3' is laughable. On the other hand, for the players themselves it is a correct decision - the fans and the money are just not there in Korea, unfortunately. They have shifted towards LoL and we will see, maybe even SSL9 will have better fan support live then Proleague or GSL. All the while in Europe and (to a lesser extent) in NA, the fans are hungry for more good SC2, so players want to give it to them. I just hope, that in the end this will shift, fans will come in high (or at least higher) numbers to Korean tournaments, new KR tournaments will be created (while the old ones like Proleague will continue unhindered), more money pumped into the scene by sponsors and the most important thing, KR scene will unify and the bullshit with eSF vs Kespa and Proleague vs GSTL will just end (yes, I still think Korean scene is kinda shooting itself into the foot all the time with stupid decisions and eSF vs Kespa bullshit). In the end though, all of it is on Blizzard, they 'just' need to create a game that Korean kids will want to play in PC Bangs with their friends
Agreed with everything but my biggest worry that the 3rd part of your answer will never come true I really want to see it I dream about it everyday I want to see news about it when I visit TL but I just do not see it with the currant events  DH and IEM are extremely instresting and fun to watch but they mean absolutely nothing for me compare to SPL and GSL. herO won IEM and my thought is finally his skills paid off as he was always good in SPL and had bad luck with individual events now people know him and they will follow him in SPL and GSL where he will have to do his absolute best to win.
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Go Dear! Following Innovation in joining a foreigner team =)
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Well, certainly didn't see that coming. Nice move by mousesports. Will be interesting to see more of Dear outside of Korea.
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On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world...  Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this.
Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now.
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There seems to be an error in the title, says "mouz" instead of "EG".
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On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now.
Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break.
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On December 20 2013 06:06 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:
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Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now. Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break.
Special cases where even the runner-ups went on to win something else. Could you, honestly, name all the semifinalists this year without bringing up Liquipedia, including the ones that didn't have remarkable success outside WCS KR? He's saying that "GSL semifinalist" means less now than it used to, which is true. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it.
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On December 20 2013 06:23 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 06:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:[quote] Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now. Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break. Special cases where even the runner-ups went on to win something else. Could you, honestly, name all the semifinalists this year without bringing up Liquipedia, including the ones that didn't have remarkable success outside WCS KR? He's saying that "GSL semifinalist" means less now than it used to, which is true. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it.
Well seeing as I only really watch Korea, I might be the wrong person to ask. I haven't missed a single Code S/WCS KR game all year. The level of competition is just too high to pass up.
Why would being a GSL semifinalist be less meaningful now that there are only three per year? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems counter-intuitive.
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On December 20 2013 06:37 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 06:23 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 06:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now. Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break. Special cases where even the runner-ups went on to win something else. Could you, honestly, name all the semifinalists this year without bringing up Liquipedia, including the ones that didn't have remarkable success outside WCS KR? He's saying that "GSL semifinalist" means less now than it used to, which is true. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Well seeing as I only really watch Korea, I might be the wrong person to ask. I haven't missed a single Code S/WCS KR game all year. The level of competition is just too high to pass up. Why would being a GSL semifinalist be less meaningful now that there are only three per year? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems counter-intuitive.
It's not about it necessarily being less meaningful (though it is, slightly, since a number of previous top contenders left the region in 2013), it's about it receiving less attention. "GSL semifinalist" just doesn't mean as much now as it would have 18 months ago. It doesn't matter if it's logical or not, that's how it is. The Season finals are mostly to blame for this, I feel.
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On December 20 2013 06:37 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 06:23 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 06:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now. Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break. Special cases where even the runner-ups went on to win something else. Could you, honestly, name all the semifinalists this year without bringing up Liquipedia, including the ones that didn't have remarkable success outside WCS KR? He's saying that "GSL semifinalist" means less now than it used to, which is true. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Well seeing as I only really watch Korea, I might be the wrong person to ask. I haven't missed a single Code S/WCS KR game all year. The level of competition is just too high to pass up. Why would being a GSL semifinalist be less meaningful now that there are only three per year? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems counter-intuitive. edit: that's not true. I didn't watch Roro vs. Symbol out of spite.
Yea... naming all GSL and WCS semi finalist of the year is easy. None of them are actually irrevelent, even if some of them are well know for the wrong reason (hi Roro :D). Most of them are still considered as some of the best players in the world: TaeJa, Soulkey, Bogus, sOs, Maru, Rain, Bomber, Dear... the only exception are Curious, Roro, Symbol and maybe soO.
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On December 20 2013 06:47 Zealously wrote:
It's not about it necessarily being less meaningful (though it is, slightly, since a number of previous top contenders left the region in 2013), it's about it receiving less attention. "GSL semifinalist" just doesn't mean as much now as it would have 18 months ago. It doesn't matter if it's logical or not, that's how it is. The Season finals are mostly to blame for this, I feel.
It's true, and by removing season finales, WCS 2014 shall fix this!
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On December 20 2013 07:00 hipo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 06:37 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 20 2013 06:23 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 06:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:
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TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now. Yeah, Innovation vs. Soulkey, Rain vs. Maru in WCS Korea, who cares about those non-winners right? Why does Soulkey's consistency matter at all if the only thing that matters is the #1 spot? Give me a break. Special cases where even the runner-ups went on to win something else. Could you, honestly, name all the semifinalists this year without bringing up Liquipedia, including the ones that didn't have remarkable success outside WCS KR? He's saying that "GSL semifinalist" means less now than it used to, which is true. At least, that's how I'm interpreting it. Well seeing as I only really watch Korea, I might be the wrong person to ask. I haven't missed a single Code S/WCS KR game all year. The level of competition is just too high to pass up. Why would being a GSL semifinalist be less meaningful now that there are only three per year? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems counter-intuitive. edit: that's not true. I didn't watch Roro vs. Symbol out of spite. Yea... naming all GSL and WCS semi finalist of the year is easy. None of them are actually irrevelent, even if some of them are well know for the wrong reason (hi Roro :D). Most of them are still considered as some of the best players in the world: TaeJa, Soulkey, Bogus, sOs, Maru, Rain, Bomber, Dear... the only exception are Curious, Roro, Symbol and maybe soO. Edit: Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 06:47 Zealously wrote:
It's not about it necessarily being less meaningful (though it is, slightly, since a number of previous top contenders left the region in 2013), it's about it receiving less attention. "GSL semifinalist" just doesn't mean as much now as it would have 18 months ago. It doesn't matter if it's logical or not, that's how it is. The Season finals are mostly to blame for this, I feel. It's true, and by removing season finales, WCS 2014 shall fix this!
I would actually disagree about Symbol, recent results notwithstanding. His run in season 2 was so impressive, relying on none of the WOL zerg trickery, but powerful Roach/Baneling timings and Nydus worms and strong aggressive play. I think Symbol's definitely proven that he has the potential to stick around with meaningful results.
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On December 20 2013 05:47 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:23 EatThePath wrote:On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this. Nobody does, but who does well in GSL beyond the winner is irrelevant now.
I wouldn't say irrelevant, but yeah that's a fair point.
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