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On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene  The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world...  Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions.
The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating.
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On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating.
I'm pretty sure almost nobody thinks this.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating.
Yeah I'm pretty sure no one thinks that.
On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness.
Only 3-5 players a year can now win a GSL. Taeja made multiple semi-finals after joining Team Liquid, Jaedong has truly blossomed after his move to EG, jjakji is relevant again and so is MMA. MC made WCS finals and Innovation consistently places highly in almost every tournament he enters. Some players decline after joining foreign teams, but Seed dropped off the face of the earth after winning GSL and Roro/Sniper haven't exactly been superstars either. I get that you want Korea to be super stacked and so do I, but let's not create some kind of fantasy where foreign teams equal declining skill because there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Your idea that joining a foreign team is somehow "easy money" is almost offensive. The players that do get big contracts with foreign teams are already stars. You think EG would pick up Solar and give him a contract similar to JD's? Never in a million years. Joining a foreign team and getting the chances that Taeja, JD, Innovation and probably Dear get isn't the easy way, it's a safe reward for taking the hard way that gives you a reliable income and the oppurtunity to meet fans from around the globe.
Being upset because people leave Korea is fine, you can be as upset as you want, but the illusion that foreign teams are "easy money" needs to go away. It's not true.
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On December 20 2013 04:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. Yeah I'm pretty sure no one thinks that.
Would be nice if it is true 
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Russian Federation48 Posts
Acer.Dear will be nice too
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No Dear in Proleague makes me a sad panda.
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Hot damn, what a pickup by mousesports.
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On December 20 2013 04:18 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. I do not understand what you are trying to prove I know everything about TaeJa, he never won GSL he won foreign events but it is not the hardest thing to do and such wins do not impress me at all. He played in SPL he was good but there were 10+ players who were better or had the same stats and he had the negative overall score (Bisu had the same stats as TaeJa) so plz stop using your TaeJa's example.
You have seen what he did in IPL TAC3 right? I think what hinders Taeja a bit is that he doesn't prepare for his opponents, he doesn't live in a team house, he only has 1 other player who is even near his calibre so without being in a team house and a lack of good team mates he doesn't get as good practice other than just mindless laddering. Taeja probably has the most amount of raw talent out of any player imo but I think he is hindered from not having the best practice and the best environment. I do think Liquid helped him a lot but I still think he would've won a GSL or a WCS if he went to a kespa/esf team.
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Oh wow, big name going to mouse
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Well, there goes the hopes of Dear becoming a real monster
Congrats to Mouz on the pick-up though.
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On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating.
As someone who never gets to watch the GSL live, I do care about it less than other events like dream hack. I know in my mind that it is the harder, more challenging even, but I can't get super hyped about it.
And there is more to the world than just Korea. Dear may win a dreamhack and to the fans at that event it will be amazing. To dear it will be the first time he wins in EU(I think). We will all know that the GSL is the harder event, but at that moment it won't matter.
Korea may be the center of the world SC2, but it doesn't mean that players like Dear don't want to see all EU and NA have to offer.
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On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive.
Yeah, I knew that -_-;;. My brain got mixed with I started thinking Ro4 and turned that into quarter finals...
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Im loving the moves foreign teams are doing, saturating the teams with korean star players will help the foreign scene grow by a lot. Like with acer, Innovation has prob helped out MMA out a ton and i can see mouz getting even more out of it once dear learns some basic english. Its awesome to see alot of koreans wanting to get into the foreign scene learn english and interact with fans.
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wow did not see thos ome comeong. niiiiiice pick up!
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On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating.
I don´t think anyone values a foreign tournament win as high as winning a GSL. People might get more exited about it, but everyone should know, that GSL is still the hardest tournament to win in the world. Someone like Taeja, who won like 6 or 7 foreign tournaments in his career, should be higher valued than Seed, Sniper or RorO for example, but basically as soon as you win your second GSL, you become unreachable for someone, who does´nt win a GSL IMHO.
Also at topic:
YEEEESSSSS! ATC3 will be ours!
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On December 20 2013 04:41 Plansix wrote:
Korea may be the center of the world SC2, but it doesn't mean that players like Dear don't want to see all EU and NA have to offer.
Korea isnt the center of the world in SC2, when you go by viewership and hype, tournaments in EU and NA are way greater, only the skill level has its center in korea
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A bit disappointed... he should've joined a good korean team instead. But I guess if he'll attend a lot of foreign tournaments next year, this will be fine, too.
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On December 20 2013 04:51 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. + Show Spoiler +The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. I don´t think anyone values a foreign tournament win as high as winning a GSL. People might get more exited about it, but everyone should know, that GSL is still the hardest tournament to win in the world. Someone like Taeja, who won like 6 or 7 foreign tournaments in his career, should be higher valued than Seed, Sniper or RorO for example, but basically as soon as you win your second GSL, you become unreachable for someone, who does´nt win a GSL IMHO. Also at topic: YEEEESSSSS! ATC3 will be ours!
So goddamn hyped.
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On December 20 2013 04:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:21 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 04:18 Bagration wrote:On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL. Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive. Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions. The shame is that people think that a foreign event win = GSL win which is very frustrating. As someone who never gets to watch the GSL live, I do care about it less than other events like dream hack. I know in my mind that it is the harder, more challenging even, but I can't get super hyped about it. And there is more to the world than just Korea. Dear may win a dreamhack and to the fans at that event it will be amazing. To dear it will be the first time he wins in EU(I think). We will all know that the GSL is the harder event, but at that moment it won't matter. Korea may be the center of the world SC2, but it doesn't mean that players like Dear don't want to see all EU and NA have to offer.
I may write it wrong I mean that 1-2 years ago you would never miss MSL, GSL or OSL finals but now people see that their fav players like Jaedong, TaeJa, Mvp and Polt choose not to play in GSL and this makes this event look less prestigious for a lot of people and they just do not watch it.
With such trends to leave korean teams I do not see how korean starcraft can come back to its prime. Koreans seem to not watch GSL you seem to watch 1-2 days events and given this situation I just can not see the bright future of GSL.
For me this IEM and DH are just a set of showmatches and in GSL we can see the true skill with 1-2 week preparation it is just me and my frustration which seems to never end given the currant situation with SC in Korea though.
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