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An incredible pickup, seems the one thing you need to be a successful foreign team is at least one corner stone Korean player and Dear is a hell of an acquisition. Will also give him a chance to attend some foreigner tournaments and bump up his earnings a little too.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear.
Why?
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hah.. that's awesome.. hope to see him a lot in 2014.
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On December 20 2013 02:55 Irrational_Animal wrote:
I wonder whether we are starting to reach a situation now, where the massive oversaturation is coming to an end. So many players have retired.
I think we are getting close, but we are still at 11 korean teams: 8 kespa + Startale + fou + Azubu (AxA isnt part of eSF so Im still counting them as a foreign team), which may still be 1 too many. I kinda hope fou and Prime do a merger or something, because both are pretty weak atm. And then ST and AZ switch over to kespa as well. Sad to see for eSF, but I dont think korea can support 2 whole e-sports organizations. 
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Wow, huge surprise!! Great for mouz! Well I really wanted to see Dear in PL, but I'm interested in how this will pan out if mouz has some more announcements. Opening a team house in Europe, or signing some more Koreans?
With SouL disbanding does that mean the end of GSTL? At least it is a lot less stacked than PL right now!
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Oh look, another foreigner *rolls eyes*
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
This and inno to acer easily biggest transfers this year
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Holy shit! Never expected this one o.O
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On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why?
Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world...  Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness.
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Very nice pick up by mouz they needed to beef up the SC 2 roster, and Dear does that. He is one of the Top protoss players in the world right now.
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On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness.
Maybe you should grow up
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On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness.
Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG.
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On December 20 2013 03:53 yoigen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Maybe you should grow up
The guy just gave a straight answer, maybe you should calm down.
It definitely indicates a shift in what it means to be a successful korean progamer. Whenever there is a culture change there is loss, as well as growth.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG.
And Inno didnt get that bad on acer! But I understand his pov
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On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG.
TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another.
On December 20 2013 03:56 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. And Inno didnt get that bad on acer! But I understand his pov
He does not bad but based on all of my experience the chance of him to become the star power what he was on STX and win something in Korea is minimal and I am sure that it will never happen (because there are just 0 cases to prove me wrong and the currant INno skillset shows that the trend is always the same) but yeah he can definitely win some foreign events where you will never have 32 GSL calibre players.
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On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another.
Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2.
If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL.
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On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL.
I do not understand what you are trying to prove I know everything about TaeJa, he never won GSL he won foreign events but it is not the hardest thing to do and such wins do not impress me at all. He played in SPL he was good but there were 10+ players who were better or had the same stats and he had the negative overall score (Bisu had the same stats as TaeJa) so plz stop using your TaeJa's example.
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On December 20 2013 04:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 04:00 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 20 2013 03:47 DiMano wrote:On December 20 2013 03:06 Zealously wrote:On December 20 2013 02:57 DiMano wrote:
All I can say I hate such transfers. Both scenes have lost and there will be no more big wins for Dear. Why? Koreans on foreign teams lose their skills so much and never win GSL. I love all korean players but for me players who are on korean teams and practice in team houses are the ones who deserve to win. Korea just loses another good player as they can watch only GSL so it is another big strike to already dying scene The goal of progaming in Korea is lost when such transfers happen. 2 years ago my dream was to visit Korea and visit a team house to feel the true starcraft atmosphere but now the best korean players choose to join a foreign team just for better money and traveling coz there is only 1 league and no money in Korea there is nothing good at it. The dream of young SC players in Korea is now to join a foreing team to get easy money. 2 years ago player would never choose a foreign team over korean one. For me who watches absolutely all korean SC nonstop such transfer and decision to choose foreign team over korean is a straight strike to my heart. I always dreamt to be a 15 year old korean boy who is playing SC and has a dream to join KeSPA team to become a star but now I feel that there will be no more such dreams as minds of korean players have another things. Now they are dreaming to make easy money instead of being the best in the world... Rain's interview made me to remember my old dreams but it was 1 bright in the darkness. Yeah Taeja really suffered by joining TL, and Jaedong has all but retired thanks to EG. TaeJa won nothing in Korea as Jaedong did. The foreign events where you always start facing good player from Ro8 does not impress me at all sorry. It is just a good show for people who know nothing about BW leagues and what it take to be a champion and a ton of games with limited amount of good players. Only MC who was on foreign team made to the finals of GSL and 0 players won it but the main thing in my message is another. Taeja is a 2-time Code S quarter finalist (losing to the eventual champ both times) and a quarter finalist at WCS Season 2. If you think Taeja has "suffered", you must have a low opinion of most Koreans in the GSL.
Semi-finalist. He made the Ro4 twice, which is very impressive.
Still, while I do believe that Liquid has really helped Taeja career-wise, I don't think Taeja will ever win a premier tournament in Korea, which is a huge shame. One of the effects of joining a foreign team is an emphasis on foreign events, and also means that talent effectively leaves Korea. This could be good and bad, since previously Korea was oversaturated with talent and now the talent is more evenly spread across regions.
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