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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 11 2013 09:02 GMT
#121
As long as donations to me go straight to YugiOh
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 11 2013 09:07 GMT
#122
Gl guys love the work you guys put out would like to try but well I suck at writing :D
And reading what that Istandwithmitt guys posts make my head hurt D: its so stupid
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Hds
Profile Joined July 2011
France200 Posts
December 11 2013 09:30 GMT
#123
dadgem

User was warned for this post
Watily! ♥
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 10:40:44
December 11 2013 10:36 GMT
#124
How did this turn into a debate on whether or not writers should be paid? I mean, sure give me your money folks but that's not why any of us signed up

This is a great opportunity for anyone who likes to write articles and possibly wants to get into journalism. Because a) editors are really professional and do a damn good job which is probably the most important way to get feedback, b) you get to face a numbers of different challenges, c) you get a lot of community feedback. So go for it yalls!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1929 Posts
December 11 2013 10:59 GMT
#125
Newspapers are also doing what they can to pay their freelance writers as little as possible, and I think it is wrong.

Thera are 2 models I think, one is to actually pay like 50€ per article, and let there be a tough competition of who gets the writing gigs, pretty much like the casters. Totally sensible as TL is a big enough site imo.

The 2nd model is to pay the writers in exposure so that they can market themselves and build their careers as e-sports journalists/streamers/players/casters/whatever. I doubt day9 is making much doing dailies directly, his hard work gives casting gigs, and maybe some product placement (heartstone?)

Forum honor might be enough for some, but as many others I am not totally convinced by relying on volentary work in a professional organization. As an academically trained musician I am very concerned about these grey areas.
Buff the siegetank
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 11 2013 11:18 GMT
#126
How stable a currency is the humble E-Sports dollar?

If we just have to be paid, it would be acceptable for me to be salaried in E-Sport dollars for sure.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Deezl
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:26:02
December 11 2013 11:20 GMT
#127
The front page is littered in debate as to whether or not this is worth it to do for free. Writing for TL helped me get a job in content marketing. If not that, the experience of writing to specification changed my outlook on writing completely.

I highly recommend it -- if you're prepared to put time into it, it'll make you a better writer and cleaner journalist. I was an amateur poet when I started. Now I can do a press release in 30 minutes and write a decent tournament recap from the results on the TL wiki page.
Three hundred lives of men I have walked this world, and now I have no time.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#128
I think much of the disagreement about this being an unpaid position stems from the fact that while some people consider this a job, most if not all the TL writers consider it a hobby. Anyone can write articles and post them on TL. The only difference is that the stuff staffed writers do gets featured by TL. It's basically just a blog about esports endorsed by TL. It's a part time gig that we all enjoy doing. No one gets fired if we don't meet a deadline or suddenly need to take a break. It's not like Waxy keeps us in a basement or something.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Stinkie
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:48:24
December 11 2013 11:47 GMT
#129
Isn't it obvious? TL can't pay their writers because of huge server costs, caused by the high amount of people complaining about TL not paying their writers.

But well, as some ppl said before, it's sad, that this thread ran off topic. (including my post)

Edit: btw. VERY good point @ Lichter
I never make predictions. And I never will.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
December 11 2013 11:50 GMT
#130
Can I earn TL+ for being an active writer?
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 11 2013 12:00 GMT
#131
On December 11 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
How did this turn into a debate on whether or not writers should be paid? I mean, sure give me your money folks but that's not why any of us signed up

This is a great opportunity for anyone who likes to write articles and possibly wants to get into journalism. Because a) editors are really professional and do a damn good job which is probably the most important way to get feedback, b) you get to face a numbers of different challenges, c) you get a lot of community feedback. So go for it yalls!


There a rumors and whispers about the first initiation procedureweeks and trials. are they all true?
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 11 2013 12:07 GMT
#132
working for free is so passé. specially when you need to go through trials & tribulations to get the position.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 11 2013 12:13 GMT
#133
On December 11 2013 21:00 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 19:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
How did this turn into a debate on whether or not writers should be paid? I mean, sure give me your money folks but that's not why any of us signed up

This is a great opportunity for anyone who likes to write articles and possibly wants to get into journalism. Because a) editors are really professional and do a damn good job which is probably the most important way to get feedback, b) you get to face a numbers of different challenges, c) you get a lot of community feedback. So go for it yalls!


There a rumors and whispers about the first initiation procedureweeks and trials. are they all true?


That depends on what those rumors include
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 11 2013 12:17 GMT
#134
On December 11 2013 21:07 esdf wrote:
working for free is so passé. specially when you need to go through trials & tribulations to get the position.


No one holds u back on writing guides and posting them on the forum, just so u can share. U trials or the only trial is the feedback u get from the commmunity
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
December 11 2013 12:31 GMT
#135
On December 11 2013 20:50 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
Can I earn TL+ for being an active writer?


Sort of, if you write long enough you will eventually become part of the staff, and when that happens TL+ will be unlocked for you by default!
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
December 11 2013 12:37 GMT
#136
On December 11 2013 21:17 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 21:07 esdf wrote:
working for free is so passé. specially when you need to go through trials & tribulations to get the position.


No one holds u back on writing guides and posting them on the forum, just so u can share. U trials or the only trial is the feedback u get from the commmunity

I'm aware of that, but writing on forums is once in a while. This is a position that requires constant involvement & coverage, at times even on a day-to-day basis (guys covering GSL, etc). You're giving up a lot of your free time for nothing in return (aside for the love of the community). TeamLiquid is a business, they earn money, they pay their players, management, etc. It's only fair that they pay you (or whoever else gets the position) as well. After all, you'll be doing some serious work.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 11 2013 12:40 GMT
#137
I want to be a TL-banner one day, loads more fun then writing. KadaverBB should me lots of times how that stuff works. With great power comes great responsibility he said, haha!
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
OfMiceAndMods
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom30 Posts
December 11 2013 12:58 GMT
#138
Just sent in my application
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
December 11 2013 13:10 GMT
#139
You guys shouldnt be suprised. The paid/unpaid debate happens every time TL posts articles like this. Check the old threads. This one is way down in bans comparatively.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
OfMiceAndMods
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom30 Posts
December 11 2013 13:11 GMT
#140
On December 11 2013 22:10 BisuDagger wrote:
You guys shouldnt be suprised. The paid/unpaid debate happens every time TL posts articles like this. Check the old threads. This one is way down in bans comparatively.


My first gig as a writer wasn't paid but I ended up getting a paid position because of it so it's a good way to start. I'd like to do this too as there isn't any call to write about SC2 at my current job.
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