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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
November 30 2013 02:38 GMT
#81
Probably he knows that Toss are Op btw GL to him, he wasn't doing too good in tournments
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BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
November 30 2013 02:47 GMT
#82
he is the sjowtoss
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2013 02:48 GMT
#83
Considering it's the end of the season.. he does know a new patch is imminent right? Well, at least his goals were labelled clearly and there are terms to it.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 02:49:39
November 30 2013 02:48 GMT
#84
In general, unless you're an all-in type player, that abuses players not practiced enough/good enough to have the right response, then I doubt you would have more success with toss. Terran is far more straight forward. It's just a matter of are you actually good enough to do it. But, with sjow's apm, he is a rare case that might benefit hugely from a more death ball type race.

Anyone can cheese with toss. For instance, anyone would get an increase in win% vs p if they didn't have any dignity/pride and decided to cannon rush every game. I wish toss cheese was nerfed. It makes the race seem easier than it is; if you're actually trying to play macro games, it's probably harder than other races. 10 out of the top 15 in NA GM aren't Terran for no reason. Everyone knows how to play it... some just aren't good enough... toss isn't exactly the answer if you're already playing macro games.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 02:53:24
November 30 2013 02:52 GMT
#85
His major problem has always been refusing to scout. Don't roll the dice and no, not everyone can cheese efficiently (I question if they know what cheese really is at the same time) at the top end. Lay off the sauce.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 30 2013 02:56 GMT
#86
Eh, I think he's moving because of perceived balance rather than playstyle. Then again, the lower APM may come in handy, considering at his level I think Protoss benefits more from it. Hard to be a top contending terran with low APM.... (although you could say it generally for all races, perhaps more direclty pertinent to Terran).
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 30 2013 03:01 GMT
#87
On November 30 2013 11:56 FabledIntegral wrote:
Eh, I think he's moving because of perceived balance rather than playstyle. Then again, the lower APM may come in handy, considering at his level I think Protoss benefits more from it. Hard to be a top contending terran with low APM.... (although you could say it generally for all races, perhaps more direclty pertinent to Terran).


I'd say it's a combination of both. He rather push the action rather than receiving it, i.e. the PvZ the roles have been reversed-- Zergs play more reactionary and it does fit Sjow's playstyle. He likes to harass.
eonDE
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada371 Posts
November 30 2013 03:24 GMT
#88
Maybe we are slowly discovering that the races in Starcraft are correlated with populations in the real world. =D
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 30 2013 03:25 GMT
#89
On November 30 2013 08:04 Dodgin wrote:
Leave Terran to the Koreans, good choice.


This. Foreigners play terran like Woongjin used to.
quebecman77
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada133 Posts
November 30 2013 03:34 GMT
#90
On November 30 2013 05:02 sd_andeh wrote:
Source: http://www.aftonbladet.se/esport/starcraft2/article17933815.ab

Translation of the last part:

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"Switches race to Protoss
He has now got a new goal. Switching race to Protoss and achieving top 50 grandmaster on the ladder within a month. Otherwise he will switch back to Terran.
- Protoss suits my playstyle better, I think. The game gets more enjoyable as well since everything is new. I will also have an advantage against Terrans, if I become good."


He seems pretty serious, who knows.



terran pro gamer since 2010....

Before exp : retire or switch Zerg
After exp : retire or switch Protoss

I'm sure he will enjoy the game more, I'm also enjoying stuff when they are more easy and I'm sure he will get the top 50 Grandmaster easy... He such a good Terran
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
November 30 2013 04:20 GMT
#91
Lol
@Munck
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 30 2013 04:32 GMT
#92
That's really misguided. If Protoss was really really weak then Taeja or Life or Soulkey or Innovation would have won WCS, not Sjow. At all but the highest level it doesn't matter what race you play since you still have enough room to improve and overcome imbalance.

And if Toss gets nerfed he'll regret this so much.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 30 2013 04:37 GMT
#93
Could become an Elfi clone.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
November 30 2013 04:45 GMT
#94
Can't blame him, his job is to win.
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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
November 30 2013 04:55 GMT
#95
On November 30 2013 05:24 D4V3Z02 wrote:
Good choice, protoss is easier.

While probably true he surely understimates the skill it takes and will soon go back to T.
Stinray
Profile Joined November 2013
14 Posts
November 30 2013 06:37 GMT
#96
One guy switches races... meh.
Will this prove anything balance-wise? Absolutely not.
Will half of the community act like it proves everything? Absolutely.
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
November 30 2013 06:51 GMT
#97
GL SjoW, but I think he will be back to terran anyway
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 30 2013 07:44 GMT
#98
On November 30 2013 11:24 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 08:39 RampancyTW wrote:
On November 30 2013 08:24 KingofGods wrote:
For those wanting to see how foreign terrans fare when they switch to protoss, you can watch Avilo who often off races as protoss. And FYI, his win rate is probably about the same with protoss as terran, keeping in mind that when he is protoss his MMR is the same as his terran because he plays protoss on his terran account.
As of a couple weeks ago his P play was beyond awful so I highly doubt this


My PvP winrate is about even or higher than my TvP winrate...derive from that what you will.

That says more about PvP than anything else.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Satiinifi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland192 Posts
November 30 2013 07:49 GMT
#99
He will stop after realizing how horrible garbage pvp is.
TLNerd
Profile Joined October 2013
Albania26 Posts
November 30 2013 08:07 GMT
#100
switching to the superior race is never a bad idea i guess
derpy derp derp derpathon derpskies, amirite?
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