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Canada16217 Posts
On November 24 2013 11:41 Chaggi wrote:
Literally doesn't surprise me. NA and EU doesn't have the industry to support pro-gamers full time as a career, and it's not even a stable post-game choice for anyone cause who knows what will happen after Legacy
I think it's better EU in some respects(I say this off of stuff I've heard, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
This makes me sad 
Scarlett nuuuuuuuuu
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On November 24 2013 13:26 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:40 blackone wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. Not making fun of people if you don't know how they'll take it is indeed a good idea when thousands of people are watching you. Sounds like you just singled out a lot of famous comedians. Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 11:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. In general, society would be better if we did not enjoy ridiculing those different from us. I know you think it's normal to attack others, but society is better off without your mind set. There's a difference between ill-willed personal insults and humorous off-beat comments about someone for laughs. But we obviously disagree, I take it.
Not to mention that 2gd couldn't care less if he gets sacked since he has his own studio, lots of money and a pretty substantial fanbase that love his sense of humour.
People have to learn that a joke is just that, a joke. There is a difference between that and insulting someone or making fun of them to make them feel bad. A joke should never be frowned upon, do you really think 2gd is a bigot? I certainly don't. I make jokes like that all the time, I have jokes spat at me like that all the time because i'm Bisexual, and I rarely take offence.... the only time I do is when the "joke" is obviously meant as an insult or aimed to hurt.... which 2gd very rarely does.
on topic:
Would be sad to see Scarlett go, a very talented player and a good role model for young guys and girls in general. But thats life, not everyone becomes a progamer with the intent of doing it for 10 years.
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On November 24 2013 13:26 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:40 blackone wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. Not making fun of people if you don't know how they'll take it is indeed a good idea when thousands of people are watching you. Sounds like you just singled out a lot of famous comedians. Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 11:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. In general, society would be better if we did not enjoy ridiculing those different from us. I know you think it's normal to attack others, but society is better off without your mind set. There's a difference between ill-willed personal insults and humorous off-beat comments about someone for laughs. But we obviously disagree, I take it.
A lot of famous comedians use observational comedy to talk about their own lives in a way that reveals a truth about the human condition and the hardships of human lives.
Some guy talking about scarlett being in a porno is not off-beat humor, it is relegation of the feminine as sexual object to be jacked off to.
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While I'm sure some people are just getting offended at the James Harding comment for the sake of having something to be offended about, it must be acknowledged that 2gd violated a pretty basic tenet of ethical behavior by refusing to own up to his comments when he was directly confronted about their affect on Scarlett by his co-caster Incontrol. Regardless of your views on the quality of his humor or the appropriateness of his chosen venue for blessing us viewers with his inane drunk ramblings, when his response to a specific grievance consisted of refusing to directly apologize and then making another joke of possibly even greater risk of offense, he clearly is stepping over the boundaries of what can be considered merrymaking into straight-up targeted harassment towards a sexual minority.
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On November 24 2013 02:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Players like Scarlett and Stephano are so important for the scene. Hopefully she changes her mind. Title has been edited now but that was a really shitty and inaccurate title.
jaeh instant you are the best foreign, you retire so sad
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On November 24 2013 15:29 Pontius Pirate wrote:
when his response to a specific grievance consisted of refusing to directly apologize and then making another joke of possibly even greater risk of offense, he clearly is stepping over the boundaries of what can be considered merrymaking into straight-up targeted harassment towards a sexual minority.
Yeah who the fuck is he to be insulting one of the best sc2 players. I can't believe he had the balls to do it at an event she was actually attending. I'm done watching his content.
Very sad to hear Scarlett is planning on retiring. Hopefully she changes her mind. This game can be so demoralizing when you're on a losing streak. And let's face it, 90% of Scarlett's fans came from her wins.
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damn, next week Scarlett has to be in Singapore already for the IEM? no wonder shes feeling exhausted. Europe --> NY ---> Singapore within 2 weeks of each other is nuts.
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1. Reads comments
2. Thinks there's some juicy titbit about 2GD and Scarlett in the interview
3. Scours the interview for anything about 2GD
4. Finds nothing
Mehh =\
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On November 24 2013 03:10 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 03:07 Dinotramp wrote:On November 24 2013 03:05 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On November 24 2013 02:52 Fuell wrote:
the 2gd incident What incident is that ? He said she was the best of both worlds. That was hilarious.
Not really. I get the whole freedom of speech etc. but some people are just assholes. You know that saying "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." 2GD is an asshole and the fact that he was able to make a name for himself by doing nothing other than offending people says a lot about todays society. Lets just wrap it up in a joke and everything is fine, if you dont get the joke, it is your problem, right?
I like how FIFA has 0 tolerance policy to any kind of racism or glorification of certain political regimes, too bad we don't have anything like that for "eSports".
Same goes for Naniwa, although I don't think he is really that mean, but when people start acting like assholes that behavior should be judged, not defended by some lame excuses or encouraged.
On topic, I doubt that is the reason Scarlett is thinking of retiring but it is better to retire than to force yourself into doing something that you no longer consider fun, especially since we are talking about a game that requires serious commitment.
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It's getting depressing to be a Starcraft fan lately, so many people retiring and so few people replacing them. Hard to feel good about anything Sc2 nowadays.
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On November 24 2013 17:19 Defury wrote:
It's getting depressing to be a Starcraft fan lately, so many people retiring and so few people replacing them. Hard to feel good about anything Sc2 nowadays.
People have always retired and there is plenty of new blood to replace them. Everyone was saying the same thing when Jinro retired and when Idra stopped posting high results and retired, and then scarlett came along to replace them. There are plenty of up and coming players like Dayshi, Babynight, xenocider, suppy etc You just need to dig a bit deeper than the high profile events.
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Northern Ireland24995 Posts
On November 24 2013 17:16 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 03:10 maartendq wrote:On November 24 2013 03:07 Dinotramp wrote:On November 24 2013 03:05 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On November 24 2013 02:52 Fuell wrote:
the 2gd incident What incident is that ? He said she was the best of both worlds. That was hilarious. Not really. I get the whole freedom of speech etc. but some people are just assholes. You know that saying "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." 2GD is an asshole and the fact that he was able to make a name for himself by doing nothing other than offending people says a lot about todays society. Lets just wrap it up in a joke and everything is fine, if you dont get the joke, it is your problem, right? I like how FIFA has 0 tolerance policy to any kind of racism or glorification of certain political regimes, too bad we don't have anything like that for "eSports".Same goes for Naniwa, although I don't think he is really that mean, but when people start acting like assholes that behavior should be judged, not defended by some lame excuses or encouraged. On topic, I doubt that is the reason Scarlett is thinking of retiring but it is better to retire than to force yourself into doing something that you no longer consider fun, especially since we are talking about a game that requires serious commitment.
Oh come on, FIFA are an absolute joke in that regard who generally only step in to cover the most basic offences. When asked about the workers rights/slave furore in Qatar, recently Franz Beckenbauer outright denied the possibility, as if the likes of Amnesty International would just make something like that up.
The organisation that gave Qatar a World Cup where homosexuality is illegal, and Russia where ye government appears to actively be trying to cultivate an anti-gay climate?
I could go on.
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How ironic. I was never much for cheering for foreigners, but after Scarlett's series against Bomber at Red Bull, I could really see myself rooting for her. Then this.
Well, we'll see how it turns out, but it would be a shame if Scarlett retires.
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On November 24 2013 15:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 13:26 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 09:40 blackone wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. Not making fun of people if you don't know how they'll take it is indeed a good idea when thousands of people are watching you. Sounds like you just singled out a lot of famous comedians. On November 24 2013 11:27 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 24 2013 09:19 sumsaR wrote:On November 24 2013 07:49 anatase wrote:
about that 2gd comment being oversensitive has nothing to do with being hurt by such impressive comments. He was making fun of someone else too different from him for him to actually understand what its like. that's dickhead and it should not happen on broadcast and not at any tournament. You don't try to push for esport and tolerate such behavior at such a level. On that basis you'd not be able to make fun of another gender (and a crapload of other situations) either, as that same principle should apply then too. In general, society would be better if we did not enjoy ridiculing those different from us. I know you think it's normal to attack others, but society is better off without your mind set. There's a difference between ill-willed personal insults and humorous off-beat comments about someone for laughs. But we obviously disagree, I take it. A lot of famous comedians use observational comedy to talk about their own lives in a way that reveals a truth about the human condition and the hardships of human lives. Some guy talking about scarlett being in a porno is not off-beat humor, it is relegation of the feminine as sexual object to be jacked off to.
Worst part about his joke is that I swear he's said the exact same thing word for word before. Pretty sure it was on one of the drunken Christmas SotG's.
If you're an offensive comedian, you're just constantly toeing a line. One that uses the same joke repeatedly...well, that's just sad.
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There really isn't much to discuss. Games are meant to be fun. You shouldn't waste your time on a game you no longer enjoy that much. When I see people like Avilo and Idra - people who feel committed to play because of their fame - and see how dissatisfied they are with their gaming experience, that's when I know that they have lost the purpose of their lives. You need to be highly intelligent to realize that something that is profitable for you socially or financially is not necessarily good for you. People shouldn't be concerned about Scarlett changing her mind, they should just be happy that she does whatever she thinks is best.
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You've got to remember that she came into the scene through Marine Arena and thus associates Starcraft 2 with being fun.
If it is no longer fun to play, you don't play it. It's got nothing to do with the game changing or the game sucking or anything - you only have to watch her own games to notice she still associates SC2 with the overwhelming thrill of winning, like most of us do.
However, she is getting older and ultimately being a pro gamer is only fulfilling for a few years. I am nearing my 30s now and I find gaming less fulfilling with each passing year despite only ever being a casual gamer. I imagine it happens ten times as fast when it is your job.
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On November 24 2013 13:45 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 11:41 Chaggi wrote:
Literally doesn't surprise me. NA and EU doesn't have the industry to support pro-gamers full time as a career, and it's not even a stable post-game choice for anyone cause who knows what will happen after Legacy I think it's better EU in some respects(I say this off of stuff I've heard, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)
Not really. Despite esports gaining ground in some countries (most notably Germany and Sweden) it's still a fringe activity in most and the general consensus is that it's not a good idea to give up a good education to go play video games 12 hours a day.
This doesn't mean that gaming in general isn't gaining ground rapidly in the EU. It is, especially among teenagers, but esports is still something only the hardcore few watch or even care about. Most people would rather play video games than watch them.
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On November 24 2013 10:22 Cereb wrote:
Wooow. If she leaves...That would be a disaster for the SC2 scene :S
If I were Blizzard I secretly pay her money to have her stay. She is worth so much for the scene. Maybe giving all the money in SC2 to one nation for an entire year wasn't the best idea.
Scarlett and Naniwa are really the only ones at high level Korean play. Would be a shame losing 50 % of that!
I can understand getting bored of this / any game when you play it too much. I tried playing SC2 full time for just like 2 months and I was exhausted and bored even though I love the game and wanted to compete. Your body starts to hurt as well, it's really tough and when you can't even get the glory of getting a tournament win despite being top 2 non-Korean player...It has got to be tough.
I actually happen to agree with this solely on one basis.
She's a transgender gamer who also happens to be the best foreign scene player by an absolute country mile. In a scene filled with complete scumbags (including several virtually venerated on this forum) and enough testosterone to sink a sperm donation liner, she is a decent, caring, completely out of the ordinary member of a minority.
There's a good reason why she gets more attention than the ten top LoL teams get from the mainstream media. She is unique in a way no group of screaming broish-ballbags will ever be.
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Northern Ireland24995 Posts
Sigh, that sort of nonsense from her fans makes it frustrating to be supportive of Scarlett.
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