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On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote:On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote:
One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.
Bisudagger for president
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Did that guy seriously just try to shit on JangBi? Brought nothing to the scene? What in the blue hell is he talking about. ZerO was also a big role player for Stars having a pretty good PL season man, even when he was throwing games and I'd say the KeSPA players did their fair share in the OSL and GSL respectfully. They were flooding the bloody place.
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On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote:
Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context.
Interesting.
If you think about it, only Zero know about his retirement in full context.
So, nobody, even Nazgul or TB should post on this topic? Nobody, not 1 post after OP?
Or maybe thats what a forum is for? To discuss and learn?
Not to : "Hey only our heroes could post because they know everything".
Because they didn´t. Nobody knows. Only the subject.
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Can someone less lazy than me compile a list of all the retired pros? This is seriously demotivating.
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Sad to see Zero retire; I remember Zero cruising past Jaedong in the last MSL; crushing his last hopes for the golden badge, then getting wrecked by Flash 3-0
I hope I see him again playing BW
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On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote:
Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context.
They know a bit more, but not to full context, their statements are certainly based on personal judgement. And also Nazgul has credibility, TB lacks it.
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Hopefully he starts playing BW again, soon enough we will have tons of good players and tournaments should be very exciting again
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 I hope he got to see all those zero pictures we drew a few years ago.
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On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote:
Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw!
sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*)
*unless I'm mistaken lol
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On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote:On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote:
One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.
Yes, but it is also pretty obvious why people are doing this. Besides the obvious trolls - some people post these things, because they do care. I do care and though I also never write SC2 is dying, I am not blind. The problem is the past and also the present. Past - BW - is obvious. Everyone knows what BW scene looked like and everyone also knows the SC2 scene doesn't look like that. It is saddening. And the present? When people see what LoL is like in Korea, when I saw the broadcast of OGN the Champions for a first time - i was just hurt. It hurts seeing OGN stadium full with people screaming - just few days after the same stadium was more or less empty during Proleague broadcast.
Another thing also is, that even though we are fans of SC2, we do see that the game is not the best. Or rather, that it could be much better. It would probably take much, but there certainly are ways to make it better. That's why people are constantly posting these threads about 'WCS redesing' and 'redesign of protoss' and 'stronger mech' and 'redesigning economy'. Not because they want to troll and just say SC2 is dying. Quite the opposite actually (for the most part) - it's because they do CARE a lot and they want for a good game to become even BETTER. They want Blizzard (because quite frankly, nobody else can) do SOMETHING to make the full stadiums for RTS a possibility again - like it was during BW.
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Not another person...
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Sad times, so much retires and teams struggling...
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On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote:On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote:
One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.
If i could put this entire post in the Userprofile quotes, i would
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On October 25 2013 05:28 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote:
Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context. Interesting. If you think about it, only Zero know about his retirement in full context. So, nobody, even Nazgul or TB should post on this topic? Nobody, not 1 post after OP? Or maybe thats what a forum is for? To discuss and learn? Not to : "Hey only our heroes could post because they know everything". Because they didn´t. Nobody knows. Only the subject.
Actually thats extremely uninteresting. Obviously no one knows the entire reasoning for zeros retirement except for zero himself. This is beyond obvious.
But people that don't even have a clue who zero is are the ones that were talking, and people that DO know their shit came and corrected them. They don't know the full context, does this matter what so ever at all? No. Is it interesting to think about? Not even the tiniest bit.
I'm honestly quite confused at your completely random statement.
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Damn... I was just getting the hang of drawing his face too.
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.............. he seem so happy about it too............
ill miss u <3
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OH NOES!! MY FAVORITE PLAYER!!!
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*weeps* Will miss you zero, your games will always amaze us. Thanks for everything and best of luck!
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see you on snipealot ZerO 
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damn, Zero was one of my favo players
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