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Woongjin's ZerO retires - Page 10

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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
October 24 2013 18:34 GMT
#181
you will be remembered
rip prime
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 24 2013 18:40 GMT
#182
Ah man









Never forget.
The heart's eternal vow
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 19:27:31
October 24 2013 18:46 GMT
#183
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote:
Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players.

The game is only 3 years old.

Sad.


This isn't the same decade as BW though. Relatively speaking, 3 years is a pretty long time for a game now in the evolving era of esports. And despite zero retiring, albeit sad, doesn't really have a major impact on SC2's success. As mentioned previously, a lot of these retiring BW players are at the tail end of their careers anyways...
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
October 24 2013 19:14 GMT
#184
Zero.. one of my favorite Kespa Zergs
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
October 24 2013 19:19 GMT
#185
On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote:
Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but;

Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms.

Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes.

I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;(
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2013 19:22 GMT
#186
On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote:
Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but;

Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms.

Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes.

I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;(

Gotta jump the train hate.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
October 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#187
Thank god! Yet more players returning to broodwar
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
October 24 2013 19:33 GMT
#188
SSL: officially the best tournament on earth
ZachFreeman
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia484 Posts
October 24 2013 19:35 GMT
#189
I had really high hopes for zero in sc2. Shame he couldn't get any results.
GIVE ME COMMAND
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
October 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#190
A shame, but I saw this coming. Too many KeSPA players.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
Jilju
Profile Joined July 2011
France4 Posts
October 24 2013 19:41 GMT
#191
Please stream on Afreeca my beloved Zero
dshkoqdsfq
GatsbyTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2013
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 19:42:40
October 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#192
On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote:
Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but;

Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms.

Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes.

I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;(


Players retiring never means market shrinking, however, fanbase certainly shrinked, and tournaments certainly reduced in this year, that's the problem. Not only in Korea.
sunless
Profile Joined November 2011
62 Posts
October 24 2013 19:43 GMT
#193
Time to have a 1080p version of BW.
"-Probes transferring. -An SCV as well. A little bit of an identity problem over there."
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
October 24 2013 19:44 GMT
#194
Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2013 19:51 GMT
#195
On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote:
Time to have a 1080p version of BW.

Too late. Time was like 3 years ago.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2013 19:52 GMT
#196
On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote:
Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero

By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2013 19:53 GMT
#197
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote:
On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote:
One less reason to care about SC2.

Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene.

I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so.

Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again.


      I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing.

      Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them.

      Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community.

This is like the best reply on the topic EVER.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
October 24 2013 19:54 GMT
#198
On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote:
Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero

By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O


Idk...preparing his retirement statement?
God of battle is coming back to bw!
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
October 24 2013 19:58 GMT
#199
On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote:
Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.]

Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote:
On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote:
On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
And now you know why nobody picked him up

I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract?
I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events.
I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire.


He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired.



UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__-
LOL. no he didnt. Zero was much better than SK all throughout bw.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
October 24 2013 20:06 GMT
#200
On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote:
Time to have a 1080p version of BW.

Yes plz, just like Vampire the Masquerade 20th year edition.
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