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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments. That sounds like a shot at Zero to me, so I assumed. If you didn't , just say the reason why other teams didn't pick him up very clearly since that's not very clear to me as an outsider. Or why you didn't pick him up. That sentence of yours sounds to me like you definitely know more about this than us fans, so I assume you found out the salary ZerO requested, and then you are like fuck it, you are not worth it. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. I feel the opposite. Traveling the world to play SC2 means you actually have to practice something that you don't enjoy for 8+ hours each day. That's the definition of insanity. If you watched Bisu stream BW you would see how happy he is and how much he enjoys spending time with fans that know his history and appreciate his work. Signing with a foreign team doesn't equal an easy button. You still are required to work hard and put in great effort. JD is a great example of success at this while Puma, who enjoys SC2, is an example of how you can try hard to achieve and still not hit the bar. So now take someone who may not enjoy the game but has played something they love for a decade and now are being paid not to play it anymore. I would easily pay a monthly fee to play BW cause I love the game so much, now | ||
Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:06 coin_au_carre wrote: Well, most ex-BW players retire because they find Broodwar more attractive compared to SC2. I do not think that SC2 will die because of that And if it was the case : - SC2 will die like BW died because of SC2 ? - You cannot force people who don't enjoy SC2 to stay. They might get better salary on SC2 but they have the guts to retire to live their passion. This explains a lot. - This would maybe change Blizzard behaviour to make SC2 more interesting ? Now hope that Zero will be back on Broodwar ! edit : I agree with #662 noones talking about forcing, but the attitude of "yay, retirements!" might not be TheBest, for starcraft and esports in general | ||
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mburke0005
United States20 Posts
Ironically, Blizzard also killed SC2 but by lack of interest put out by an inferior product. Not by directly stymieing their ability to produce new tournaments like they had in BW. anyway, BRING ON ZERO TO AFREECA! afreeca is so fun to watch nowadays. i'm hoping some corporate sponsor steps up and puts pressure on for a new tournament series. but until then, sonic rules. | ||
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Incubus1993
Canada140 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:45 BisuDagger wrote: I feel the opposite. Traveling the world to play SC2 means you actually have to practice something that you don't enjoy for 8+ hours each day. That's the definition of insanity. If you watched Bisu stream BW you would see how happy he is and how much he enjoys spending time with fans that know his history and appreciate his work. Signing with a foreign team doesn't equal an easy button. You still are required to work hard and put in great effort. JD is a great example of success at this while Puma, who enjoys SC2, is an example of how you can try hard to achieve and still not hit the bar. So now take someone who may not enjoy the game but has played something they love for a decade and now are being paid not to play it anymore. I would easily pay a monthly fee to play BW cause I love the game so much, now It really is no different than a foreigner joining a Korean team. Not only do they feel out of place, but they're always struggling against the language barrier. A lot of players don't want to have to deal with such things. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. If SC3 came in 1 year and players like Life MC or MVP became irrelevant you would see similar posts from some of the current SC2 fans. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
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myminerals
560 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:46 a176 wrote: at first i was like FUCK but then i was like SRT that's a spirit! | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. | ||
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bypLy
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