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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
September 10 2013 19:52 GMT
#961
We'll never forget the bisu build!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 19:59:55
September 10 2013 19:59 GMT
#962
On September 11 2013 04:39 DiMano wrote:
BIG NAMES:
Flash, FanTaSy
Stork,
Jaedong, EffOrt, ZerO

With ZerO rumored to retire, huh. Though i do not think he will do it, since he needs more reasons to troll Soulkey.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
September 10 2013 20:05 GMT
#963
On September 11 2013 04:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 04:39 DiMano wrote:
BIG NAMES:
Flash, FanTaSy
Stork,
Jaedong, EffOrt, ZerO

With ZerO rumored to retire, huh. Though i do not think he will do it, since he needs more reasons to troll Soulkey.

WHAT???!!!!! Plz say that it is a very weak rumor...
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
September 10 2013 20:05 GMT
#964
Legendary SC2 players never really retire.. they just return to the force, in this case BW
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 10 2013 20:06 GMT
#965
On September 11 2013 05:05 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 04:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:39 DiMano wrote:
BIG NAMES:
Flash, FanTaSy
Stork,
Jaedong, EffOrt, ZerO

With ZerO rumored to retire, huh. Though i do not think he will do it, since he needs more reasons to troll Soulkey.

WHAT???!!!!! Plz say that it is a very weak rumor...

It is a weak rumor and i for one think this is BS, but with JangBi retiring i will not wonder at all.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
nShade
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria296 Posts
September 10 2013 20:08 GMT
#966
If it wasn't for Bisu, I would not be playing StarCraft right now. :/
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 10 2013 20:13 GMT
#967
On September 11 2013 05:05 phodacbiet wrote:
Legendary SC2 players never really retire.. they just return to the force, in this case BW

We'll see when a legendary SC2 player retires. Until then, we can only be sure that legendary BW players return to BW when they retire from SC2

(no disrespect to Bisu, I know he is an icon and a legit esports legend)
Get off my lawn, young punks
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
September 10 2013 21:33 GMT
#968
good night sweet prince
zzzzzz
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
September 10 2013 21:48 GMT
#969
I guess having SSL is pretty nice... Before when BW pros retired they went on to do their own thing whether it was involved with esports or now...now whenever an ex-SC2 pro retires he'll have SOSPA to go back to play competitively though not as demandingly
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
September 10 2013 23:41 GMT
#970
Lol I'm surprised Stork isn't retiring, must be frustrating for him.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
September 11 2013 00:04 GMT
#971
Oh god I knew this day would come

Miss you Bisu!!!
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
September 11 2013 02:04 GMT
#972
On September 11 2013 00:30 Malgox wrote:
This is exactly why SC2 should be played as a team game. Look at how successful LoL is. We can be certain from that game that the team aspect is what promotes skill and competition.

Nothing to do with being a "team game"; it just means SC2 isn't good enough to compete. This suggests that if S-class 0.01% percentile gods like Bisu and Jaedong can come over and end up being indistinguishable from most BW D/C-class players then SC2's skill ceiling is much too low and is effectively "killing" them. Even the players that do manage to do well in SC2 (Innovation, Taeja) end up very short lived which is highly unnatural. I can only imagine the turmoil Bisu experienced after his transition when SC2 Protoss is what he had to work with.

BW needed a successor to help the SC series (and RTS genre) compete with modern games, but I don't think SC2 fulfilled this role well enough. No SC2 is not dying, but it's not really a strong enough successor to retain the same position BW had (BW beat DoTA to my knowledge). It's kind of like tepid tea.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
September 11 2013 02:23 GMT
#973
this is the saddest day of my life ((
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
September 11 2013 03:19 GMT
#974
I am really surprised the 2 Dragons left are the oldest. They might be the oldest active Kespa players actually (Free and Stork.)
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 11 2013 03:37 GMT
#975
Last time I was following BW scene, Bisu was still in huge decline. So I doubt SC2 was the main contributor for his retirement. It's just one out of many.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 11 2013 03:40 GMT
#976
On September 11 2013 12:37 darkness wrote:
Last time I was following BW scene, Bisu was still in huge decline. So I doubt SC2 was the main contributor for his retirement. It's just one out of many.


Bisu won Proleague for SKT at the end, he was doing fine. Ended 2nd on ELO.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 11 2013 03:42 GMT
#977
On September 11 2013 12:37 darkness wrote:
Last time I was following BW scene, Bisu was still in huge decline. So I doubt SC2 was the main contributor for his retirement. It's just one out of many.

he beat Flash and won PL for his team. Quite an epic game. If anything, I think he was doing pretty well so not sure when you stopped watching the BW scene then lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 03:42:43
September 11 2013 03:42 GMT
#978
On September 11 2013 11:04 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 00:30 Malgox wrote:
This is exactly why SC2 should be played as a team game. Look at how successful LoL is. We can be certain from that game that the team aspect is what promotes skill and competition.

Nothing to do with being a "team game"; it just means SC2 isn't good enough to compete. This suggests that if S-class 0.01% percentile gods like Bisu and Jaedong can come over and end up being indistinguishable from most BW D/C-class players then SC2's skill ceiling is much too low and is effectively "killing" them. Even the players that do manage to do well in SC2 (Innovation, Taeja) end up very short lived which is highly unnatural. I can only imagine the turmoil Bisu experienced after his transition when SC2 Protoss is what he had to work with.

BW needed a successor to help the SC series (and RTS genre) compete with modern games, but I don't think SC2 fulfilled this role well enough. No SC2 is not dying, but it's not really a strong enough successor to retain the same position BW had (BW beat DoTA to my knowledge). It's kind of like tepid tea.


Congrats, you just got obvious-trolled. Is it not completely transparent?

GGs Bisu. When it's time, it's time.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
kamkerx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States264 Posts
September 11 2013 03:52 GMT
#979
On September 11 2013 11:04 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 00:30 Malgox wrote:
This is exactly why SC2 should be played as a team game. Look at how successful LoL is. We can be certain from that game that the team aspect is what promotes skill and competition.

Nothing to do with being a "team game"; it just means SC2 isn't good enough to compete. This suggests that if S-class 0.01% percentile gods like Bisu and Jaedong can come over and end up being indistinguishable from most BW D/C-class players then SC2's skill ceiling is much too low and is effectively "killing" them. Even the players that do manage to do well in SC2 (Innovation, Taeja) end up very short lived which is highly unnatural. I can only imagine the turmoil Bisu experienced after his transition when SC2 Protoss is what he had to work with.

BW needed a successor to help the SC series (and RTS genre) compete with modern games, but I don't think SC2 fulfilled this role well enough. No SC2 is not dying, but it's not really a strong enough successor to retain the same position BW had (BW beat DoTA to my knowledge). It's kind of like tepid tea.


not like innovation has been standing out from other terrans for months now, and not like drg stood out for taking down innovation in a bo3...
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
September 11 2013 04:14 GMT
#980
On September 11 2013 12:52 kamkerx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 11:04 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On September 11 2013 00:30 Malgox wrote:
This is exactly why SC2 should be played as a team game. Look at how successful LoL is. We can be certain from that game that the team aspect is what promotes skill and competition.

Nothing to do with being a "team game"; it just means SC2 isn't good enough to compete. This suggests that if S-class 0.01% percentile gods like Bisu and Jaedong can come over and end up being indistinguishable from most BW D/C-class players then SC2's skill ceiling is much too low and is effectively "killing" them. Even the players that do manage to do well in SC2 (Innovation, Taeja) end up very short lived which is highly unnatural. I can only imagine the turmoil Bisu experienced after his transition when SC2 Protoss is what he had to work with.

BW needed a successor to help the SC series (and RTS genre) compete with modern games, but I don't think SC2 fulfilled this role well enough. No SC2 is not dying, but it's not really a strong enough successor to retain the same position BW had (BW beat DoTA to my knowledge). It's kind of like tepid tea.


not like innovation has been standing out from other terrans for months now, and not like drg stood out for taking down innovation in a bo3...

Weren't we just talking about Innovation's embarrassing decline like, a week before that? "Innovation is nowhere near the player he once was" blah blah blah? And then a player who had his own embarrassing decline beats him in a measly best of three and everyone gets excited?

Hyperbole killing e-sports.
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