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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 09 2013 06:54 GMT
#401
On September 09 2013 15:46 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 15:43 Xiphos wrote:
Out of ALL remaining Kespa players.

Only 5 of them were "champions".

They are:
Stork
Flash
Hydra
Effort
Fantasy

Beside those 5, nobody have titles under their belts.

Not surprising.

Interesting thing is if people would do a chart that compared retirement times for pure BW gamers (like how long it took iloveoov to retire, etc) vs hybrid BW/SC2 gamers.

I'd imagine SC2 had only a minor effect on the actual rate of retirement because a lot of these players were statistically ready for retirement.


Well base on that, I can tell you that you exclude the mandatory SK military service, in terms of "BIG" name players (AKA those who qualified for StarLeague) only really "retired" due to FOUR reasons:

1. Found themselves a new hobby/job (now the majority of the foreigner BW players went into Poker like Guillaum Patry, Elky, Rekrul, and Freedom (ex-WC player, albeit not foreigner)
2. RSI, namely players like GGplay who had better defensive timing than sAviOr was forced to retire.
3. Mathfixing, we all know about that.
4. SC2 transition. Yes you can say that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, and JulyZerg all "retired" from BW.

On top of my head, the frequency of retirement in SC2 is far higher than BW.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
September 09 2013 06:54 GMT
#402
sigh... it's a sad day
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 06:57:18
September 09 2013 06:55 GMT
#403
On September 09 2013 15:46 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +

After all, it's not possible quit Starcraft 2.

It's not the right place nor time for absurd humor. Please restrain yourself from silly jokes.

On the other hand, so much overreaction in this thread, I can't help but smile. All of your pros will retire one day. All of them will die by the way, too, at some point. It's only natural. Basketball didn't die after Jordan or Stockton retired, SC2 won't die after Bisu retires. Who even wasn't any good in SC2 at all, to be sure. From SC2 perspective his retirement is so insignificant, something comparable to Eve's retirement. It's just that those nostalgia glasses sometimes have way too many dioptres, may distort your view...

Mister, thats not the point. Look for posts 1 year ago, when people in hindsight dreamed about Kespa players "revolutionizing" the gameplay, ergo they wanted to feel something different they believed will come with Kespa Progamers.

I think its safe to say it didnt happen and probably will never happen.

For some people Kespa switch was a "hope", honestly I was sceptical, and after 1 month seeing how the best of the best of BW fail i already lost that dream and simply went on "oh well, lets see how one my favorite players fail in new game".

The insatifaction in this thread is a mix of natural process coming to an end (as you say) AND the big fail of Kespa switch. And be honest the natural process you speak, it probably came sooner because of SC2 and current balance of Korean Esports (where Starcraft is seconhand trademark).
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 09 2013 06:56 GMT
#404
Iloveoov would be an unfair example, from what I heard he played for a shorter time than most players at his level.
jjakji fan
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
September 09 2013 06:56 GMT
#405
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
September 09 2013 06:57 GMT
#406
Even though I was expecting this, its still sad. GL Bisu...
My esports soul belongs to: Boxer | White-Ra | Daigo Umehara | Nazgul | IceFrog
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 09 2013 06:58 GMT
#407
On September 09 2013 15:56 slowbacontron wrote:
Iloveoov would be an unfair example, from what I heard he played for a shorter time than most players at his level.

Also he fell in the shower and broke his wrist.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 07:00:47
September 09 2013 06:59 GMT
#408
On September 09 2013 14:59 DinoToss wrote:
Horang2, Movie, Snow, Best, Jaehoon, JangBi, Bisu

Coincidence?

Can't wait for stream!

edit: memory failure

Leta also tried to switch to P and retired afterwards.
On September 09 2013 15:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
at long last, this day has come
[image loading]

is that a handcuff on his hand?
Michael Probu
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 09 2013 07:01 GMT
#409
I feel bad for this but I'm happy I might see his first person view in BW on snipealot2..
In the woods, there lurks..
CommanderCato
Profile Joined July 2008
United States78 Posts
September 09 2013 07:01 GMT
#410
Very sad day but best of luck to Bisu.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 07:07:48
September 09 2013 07:03 GMT
#411
That's all we get?

Edit: lol i joke woke up and didn't realize we gun get Bisu playing BW on stream... yupyupyup

Edit2: fucking shit...... Bisu vs Savior GOM was one of the first events I watched live. So much history, reading these news it still feels so off. "Bisu retiring" Ya right!
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
September 09 2013 07:04 GMT
#412
On September 09 2013 15:54 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 15:46 dcemuser wrote:
On September 09 2013 15:43 Xiphos wrote:
Out of ALL remaining Kespa players.

Only 5 of them were "champions".

They are:
Stork
Flash
Hydra
Effort
Fantasy

Beside those 5, nobody have titles under their belts.

Not surprising.

Interesting thing is if people would do a chart that compared retirement times for pure BW gamers (like how long it took iloveoov to retire, etc) vs hybrid BW/SC2 gamers.

I'd imagine SC2 had only a minor effect on the actual rate of retirement because a lot of these players were statistically ready for retirement.


Well base on that, I can tell you that you exclude the mandatory SK military service, in terms of "BIG" name players (AKA those who qualified for StarLeague) only really "retired" due to FOUR reasons:

1. Found themselves a new hobby/job (now the majority of the foreigner BW players went into Poker like Guillaum Patry, Elky, Rekrul, and Freedom (ex-WC player, albeit not foreigner)
2. RSI, namely players like GGplay who had better defensive timing than sAviOr was forced to retire.
3. Mathfixing, we all know about that.
4. SC2 transition. Yes you can say that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, and JulyZerg all "retired" from BW.

On top of my head, the frequency of retirement in SC2 is far higher than BW.


I'd attribute a lot of the retirement to the fact that most of these players are near military service age and they wouldn't have had enough time to make it worth it to continue competitively. Bisu was definitely not doing very well in SC2 and he would have had to retire in the coming months anyway because of military service.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 09 2013 07:06 GMT
#413
On September 09 2013 15:58 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 15:56 slowbacontron wrote:
Iloveoov would be an unfair example, from what I heard he played for a shorter time than most players at his level.

Also he fell in the shower and broke his wrist.

D: I also heard that but forgot. Ouch.
jjakji fan
krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
September 09 2013 07:06 GMT
#414
Shitloads of people is basically forced to join a new game

Some retire and decide to go on with their lives.

Obviously, the game is just DEAD.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
September 09 2013 07:08 GMT
#415
On September 09 2013 16:04 BlackPanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 15:54 Xiphos wrote:
On September 09 2013 15:46 dcemuser wrote:
On September 09 2013 15:43 Xiphos wrote:
Out of ALL remaining Kespa players.

Only 5 of them were "champions".

They are:
Stork
Flash
Hydra
Effort
Fantasy

Beside those 5, nobody have titles under their belts.

Not surprising.

Interesting thing is if people would do a chart that compared retirement times for pure BW gamers (like how long it took iloveoov to retire, etc) vs hybrid BW/SC2 gamers.

I'd imagine SC2 had only a minor effect on the actual rate of retirement because a lot of these players were statistically ready for retirement.


Well base on that, I can tell you that you exclude the mandatory SK military service, in terms of "BIG" name players (AKA those who qualified for StarLeague) only really "retired" due to FOUR reasons:

1. Found themselves a new hobby/job (now the majority of the foreigner BW players went into Poker like Guillaum Patry, Elky, Rekrul, and Freedom (ex-WC player, albeit not foreigner)
2. RSI, namely players like GGplay who had better defensive timing than sAviOr was forced to retire.
3. Mathfixing, we all know about that.
4. SC2 transition. Yes you can say that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, and JulyZerg all "retired" from BW.

On top of my head, the frequency of retirement in SC2 is far higher than BW.


I'd attribute a lot of the retirement to the fact that most of these players are near military service age and they wouldn't have had enough time to make it worth it to continue competitively. Bisu was definitely not doing very well in SC2 and he would have had to retire in the coming months anyway because of military service.

He could still postpone his military service if he felt there was a "hope", see Stork, Nada etc. I don't know the details whether some individuals can postpone longer or not. But it seems he (and few other retirees) could still easily play for 2-3 years.
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
ErrantKnight
Profile Joined November 2012
Switzerland186 Posts
September 09 2013 07:09 GMT
#416
Starcraft will never be the same D:
"Quantity is quality by itself"
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
September 09 2013 07:12 GMT
#417
Good luck to you, Bisu. A shame you couldn't make it work.
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
September 09 2013 07:17 GMT
#418
Totaly understand him. To bad though, he was my absolute favourite BW player and I would have loved to se him back at the top in SC2. But it was clearly not going to happen. GLHF Bisu! <3
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 09 2013 07:17 GMT
#419
09/09/2013

will forever remember to hate this day
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
September 09 2013 07:18 GMT
#420
Jangbi looks incredibly happy in his stream, hope Bisu follows
Everyday Girl's Day~!
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