WCS Season 2 is over and so is INnoVation's reign on top of the Power Rank. Sixteen of the best players in the world gathered in Cologne for the grandest of duels, and the results have heavily affected September's Power Rank. Before we continue, here is an overly simplified version of our criteria as always:
Results: Obviously, this will be the basis of any power rank. And since this is a monthly power rank, we'll be mainly focusing on results from the last month, that is the month of August. Past performances are taken into account as well, but with decreasing weight over time.
Difficulty of opponents: Let's put it this way: if the PR existed last year, we probably wouldn't have given PartinG the #1 spot for his BWC run.
Quality of play: How impressed were we with this player's performance? Not all wins (or losses) are created equal.
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
So, onto this month's ranking! (Results up to September 1st were considered)
Special Mentions
Alliance.NaNiwa: NaNiwa played well in season 2 of WCS, even beating INnoVation 2 - 0, but not well enough to earn consideration for the top ten. The Special Mentions remains a place to give shout-outs to foreigners who have upset top Koreans (see SjoW).
Close But No Cigar
EG.aLive: aLive got a bit lucky with the whole visa situation this month, but he certainly took full advantage of it. After slaying a GSL champion in Maru and getting his revenge against Scarlett, aLive just barely lost to First in the quarter-finals. Still, it was a great month for aLive, and he even got enough WCS points to virtually guarantee his spot at the eventual Blizzcon Finals.
Woongjin_sOs: We're sure he's still good, but he only played three games in the month of August. 3-0'ing a skilled PvP player in Dear was his impressive achievement of the month.
Acer.Scarlett: Scarlett certainly had a fabulous month, showing off her ZvT that is on par with the best in the world. That being said, she certainly rolled her best matchup a lot this month, able to almost completely dodge her self-reported weakest matchup, ZvP. As a writer, I'm quite sad I can't really objectively put her in the top ten, as in the post-Stephano era, it's probably going to be a while before another foreigner can match her feats.
MVP.duckdeok: Though winning a tournament is impressive, winning it against mostly foreigners and mostly Protoss is less so.
CJ_Sora: 2-0 JKS, 2-0 Fantasy, 2-0 Shine, 2-0 Bomber, 2-0 Curious, 2-0 Gumiho, 2-0 Soulkey. Probably the best run ever for a guy who's technically still a semi-pro. Sora is definitely someone to watch out for in the upcoming season of Proleague. Unfortunately for him though, any future opportunities to prove himself, including both Proleague and the next season of WCS are quite a distance away.
Parting was certainly lucky to have been seeded into the Ro8 of the WCG Korean Qualifiers as the reigning champion. Without his performance in WCG last year, he may never have been afforded the chance to prove himself this month. Though he only had to win three matches in order to win this tournament, he had some of the strongest opponents Korea could offer: With seeming ease, he dispatched of Innovation, Rain, and the on-fire Sora with a 6-0 map score. Especially against Innovation, he showed off extremely stable PvT, perhaps taking a few pages from his teammate, Rain.
Parting's control also remains spot on, and while his tactics and strategy against Zerg may not seem like anything special, he'll always impress us with force fields that you'll never see anyone else on the planet successfully attempt(see his losses against Soulkey in the GSL). All in all, a good month for Parting, but he's not the complete package just yet.
Soulkey had a terrible, horrendous month of August. Simply put, Innovation has seemingly made it his sole purpose in life to halt the Soulkey at every juncture since losing to him in the GSL finals, whether it be on the way to a Proleague championship, an OSL title, or even WCG qualification. Every time the two face off Soulkey plays well but inevitably loses, looking both amazing and helpless in the same instance.
While Soulkey has had a negative win-loss record this month, he remains the best performing Zerg in the Korean scene. So far, he's been the only Zerg to advance from his GSL group, defeating Parting and the rising star, Pigbaby, along the way. Not to mention he was the furthest advancing Zerg in the WCG KR qualifiers, defeating the likes of Crazy, Life, CoCa, and MKP. At a time when all Zergs are struggling, being the best performing and most impressive looking Korean Zerg (who has remained in Korea) has to count for something, right?
While he was already showing dents in his armor at the time of our last Power Rank, Innovation really fell apart in August. With a string of losses to Parting, TaeJa, and even a foreigner in NaNiwa, Innovation looked far from his usual self. And while he's always had problems in TvT ever since the hellbat nerf, it's his TvP that's more recently grown suspect. While he used to be able to win the matchup quite easily due to outplaying the opponent in the mid-game (even without SCV pulls!), more recently, he's been relying on taking it to the late-game. Not very surprisingly, this generally has not panned out well. Against Parting, Innovation played two relatively passive games that ended in his gradual demise. Against Naniwa, Innovation was simply outplayed when he became overaggressive in his harass and was unable to survive into the late-game.
All things being considered, Innovation does now have a team league to play in now. And with the opportunity to once again reign supreme in the GSTL and also dominate foreign tournaments at the same time, Innovation seems poised for yet another rise.
The third of the KeSPA kings also fell down quite significantly this month, perhaps timed appropriately with the passing of the Proleague season. Though Rain suffered many losses this month, perhaps none were more damaging to his reputation and morale than his series against TaeJa. Known as the steadfast and defensive Protoss, Rain has always been the champion of stable macro-based play. The 3-0 trashing of once Protoss king in his own arena was the last in a long line of wake up calls that something had to change, that perhaps what he was currently doing was not enough.
On the plus side, he was the only player who was able to crush Bomber this month.
Over the past month or so, First's story has been one of the little engine who could. His first hurdle was the GSL Ro16 group stages where he entered into double tiebreakers, barely making it out of the group in second place. Then after being destroyed by Bomber, First fought tooth and nail to advance as the fifth place representative from Korea to the WCS season finals, narrowly defeating Supernova in the final match with a 3 - 2 score. Then finally, First matched up against aLive in the WCS Finals Ro8 where he seemed to struggle much more than he should have. First's games against Alive ended again in a 3-2 win, though they were thoroughly unconvincing and certainly not something you'd expect from someone who had recently 4-0'd Polt.
Unfortunately, like many of the players on the list this month, First looks like a two-matchup player. Though competent against both Terran and Protoss, First then ran into the surprising brick Zerg wall known as Jaedong. And even ignoring the fact that Jaedong has suddenly become amazing at ZvP, First looked entirely lost at the matchup, summarized in a neatly in this one moment.
First may have 4 - 0'd Polt at the WCS Season 2 Finals, but Polt still places higher in the rankings. First off, Polt actually won a difficult tournament in WCS AM, beating Jaedong, TaeJa, Oz, Jim, and Alicia. Also, if we took transitive properties into consideration, we'd be in a big mess since Polt 4 - 0'd Jaedong, Jaedong 3 - 0'd First, and First 4 - 0'd Polt.
Instead, let's take a look at his record on the month: 16 - 6. Though Polt did not make it out of his WCS Finals group, he remains the player with the best WCS record in the world this month. His only series loss the entire month actually came from First in a matches where Polt seemed uncharacteristically caught off-guard against First's special tactics.
Like in the WCS finals, Polt only dropped four maps throughout all of WCS America, all of them to TaeJa. He seemed completely dominant in this tournament, able to overcome any player that tried to fight him straight-up, exploiting mistakes against Protoss and rolling through players like a runaway train against Zerg. A typical month for the part-timer from UT Austin.
It's amazing how much change over the course of a month. Though Jaedong has been the model for slow and steady improvement over the past year, this month highlighted an unexpected and drastic performance boost from the old Brood War legend. The subject of much ridicule for his often comical loses against Protoss, Jaedong suddenly turned the switch on this month, defeating some of the best Protosses the world had to offer: Oz, Jim, Rain, MC, First. Along the way, he showed typical Jaedong flair with plays like this. ZvP is no longer Jaedong's weakest matchup. That being said, Jaedong was still not immune to bouts of PvZ throws with games such as this one.
But for a two time WCS finalist, Jaedong has now a disastrous 0 - 8 in said finals, and he is now a four-time Kong. Whether Jaedong has developed a new weakness to Terrans or a string of bad luck remains to be seen, but fans can take solace in the fact that Jaedong is now ranked above both Innovation and Flash.
Maru improves one rank to #3 despite his poor performance at the WCS Season Finals, mostly because of how much we respect the GSL/OSL/WCS KR tournament, or whatever it's called these days. In the olden days, once you won a GSL, you established yourself as pretty much the best player in the world at the time. But then the WCS system came along and asked GSL champions to prove it. So far, both GSL/OSL champions have failed to do so.
Don't get us wrong, Maru's OSL run was certainly respectable, but he's failed to reproduce his results against opponents you would think are weaker (see loses to aLive and Scarlett). Not only that, it's hard to really distinguish Maru from the hordes of other top Korean Terrans. Sure he has excellent micro, likes to make four CC's a lot, and repairs his medivacs, but other than that, what really separates him from the rest? Maru's proven himself to be a talented top contender, but time will tell if he's a mainstay of the Korean scene.
The TaeJa of Summer 2012 is back, sort of... TaeJa still lacks the aura of invincibility he displayed in 2012, and I'm afraid that particular feeling of absolute incontestability has been lost forever. The second part of the equation, however, the arresting awe-inspiring nature of his play, has returned, at least for the month of August.
Exhibit 1: TaeJa vs Innovation In a display of raw skill, the clash between TaeJa and Innovation, a classic tale of bio versus mech, produced one of the, if not the best game of the year. Though played on a map known to be dull, the resulting game was all but. You could tell actions performed in this game came from not only some of the best players in the world, but also a special type of player with a certain know-how.
Exhibit 2: TaeJa vs Rain TaeJa played Rain's game and came out the better player. In this age of SCV pulls and Protoss late game domination, it takes a brave Terran soul to drag it to the late game. TaeJa did just that and especially in the 39 minute long Game 2, he proved that he could indeed prevail against one of the best Protoss in the world in an area where many have failed before him.
Congratulations, Bomber. Your second major tournament win was a few years later than we expected, but it was impressive nonetheless. From the get-go, the WCS Season 2 Finals looked like it was his to win. With a dominating performance in his group, Bomber was positioned very well going into the bracket stage. Though he faced stiff competition from TaeJa, perhaps Bomber's most impressive feat this month was how he approached his weakest matchup, TvZ, in the finals. After a crushing loss in the straight-up game 1 against Scarlett, Bomber exploded with his own brand of TvZ and his own uniquely planned out, often WoL-esque strategies. Bomber played his own game, overcoming both his adversities of TvZ and Bomber's law in order to finally provide his fans a much deserved win.
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
I'm not really totally on board with taeja #2, or anyone else for that matter. it feels like a month where you coulda just left #2~3 blank
still, if you had to move everyone on up, Maru (won OSL) / TaeJa (very good overall month, no bad series) / Jaedong (best overall month, but some very bad series) were all acceptable as #2 I guess
On September 05 2013 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: :O
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
I kind of think first looked far better then rain in wcs.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I very much agree with these rankings. Only Innovation seems too low, I think I'd bump him above First or maybe Polt.
To the Taeja talk, I definitely agree with him at 2. Like the writer said, I think it comes down to his "awe-inspiring" play. More so than anyone else, Taeja just makes me say "holy shit that kid is good".
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
im okay with any of taeja-maru-jaedong at #2, they all ahve their unique merits
TaeJa's is that he had like 0 bad series this month, while the others suffered some bad losses
On September 05 2013 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: :O
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
I kind of think first looked far better then rain in wcs.
WCS Regionals or are you including OSL as well?
First definitely looked better in the regionals and while he did well in the OSL Rain clearly did better and made it to the finals. I mean Rain also has slightly better past results in HotS as well (which carries some weight according to the criteria). Trust me, I'm always pulling for the IM players and I'd love to see Rain fall off this list completely, but I just can't say with a straight face that Rain deserves to be lower than First atm. It's close though.
On September 05 2013 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: :O
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
Innovation had a 6-7 month, lost to a foreigner, didn't advance from his group, and didn't win anything (unless you count PL championship). Hard to argue that he should be ranked better than WCS winners.
On September 05 2013 10:20 Josh_Video wrote: You say that Polt "Lost only one series this month, to First" but Taeja beat Polt in the WCS AM group stages, did he not?
Polt lost to TaeJa in July so he only lost to First in August
Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
Power rank seems very agreeable but for the fact that Maru and TaeJa might be slightly too high. I believe INnoVation and Jaedong could take swap with those two respectively. I just don't think Maru has really proven to us he's a top contender. Yes, he won OSL but everyone he was the "underdog" to had a massive brain fart. His quick exit from WCS Season Finals supports this. And as for TaeJa, he definitely looked badass at WCS, but he's also slightly unproven; everyone can have one good tournament run. See Jkakji, Sniper, and Seed.
For a serious response, I was a bit surprised to see Taeja at #2 at first, but thinking about it now it definitely makes sense. I'm really happy to see First on the PR for 2 months in a row, he's the shining beacon of hope for IM right now other than when Mvp decides to be good. I honestly didn't think you were going to give Bomber the #1 spot because it was only one tournament but he does deserve it. WCS KR still holds a level of prestige even if It's not as high as the season finals' so Maru's placement makes sense, although I was expecting him at #2 for the 4-0 over innovation and the 0-2 to 4-2 over Rain.
I wonder if we're already seeing the end of Kespa team player domination? That sure didn't last long. I'm going to miss the aggressive Kespa fan posters who would shit all over eSF players, actually no I'm not going to miss them, but I will miss their unironic KESPAAAAAAA shouts. I can replace it with my ironic KESPAAAAAA shouts at least.
On September 05 2013 10:20 Josh_Video wrote: You say that Polt "Lost only one series this month, to First" but Taeja beat Polt in the WCS AM group stages, did he not?
Polt lost to TaeJa in July so he only lost to First in August
Taeja didn't win anything, but he's the only player that didn't have an embarassing series all month. Maru didn't make it out of his WCS final group, Jaedong got 0-4'd twice, Innovation 0-4 to Maru lost to Naniwa didn't get out of his group, Rain 2-4 to Maru, etc. It's a tenuous #2 but it's hard to argue anyone looked consistently as good this month.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
You change the rankings way too much from one month. How could you move Innovation and Rain down so low? They've been so dominant recently. How could you put Bomber into the best player spot after like what, one good tournament? This is all silly. Jaedong top 4 is still a month or two early.
Please consider the past 3-4 months when making the ranking please =/ Sorry about criticism, I just feel like this adds more confusion to what's happening in the scene opposed to who is really doing well long-term.
On September 05 2013 10:27 SAFenix wrote: Power rank seems very agreeable but for the fact that Maru and TaeJa might be slightly too high. I believe INnoVation and Jaedong could take swap with those two respectively. I just don't think Maru has really proven to us he's a top contender. Yes, he won OSL but everyone he was the "underdog" to had a massive brain fart. His quick exit from WCS Season Finals supports this. And as for TaeJa, he definitely looked badass at WCS, but he's also slightly unproven; everyone can have one good tournament run. See Jkakji, Sniper, and Seed.
Edit: Also, where's Bisu??
Well, maybe, but Taeja is a 5 time champion of premier events, not to mention 3rd in 3 GSLs, 2 WCS events, An MLG and a Dreamhack. I think we can hardly say that this was a fluke thing.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
I feel that Rain should be swapped with Polt. Also, it just feels weird to see Bogus that low. I know he lost a few times to inferior (but still very good!) players, but most of his games still looked extremely impressive. I think after Jaedong, I would've gone Rain, First, Polt, Innovation. Polt's games against First just did not look like he deserves top 5.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
Well it was all in the finals when he got 4-0'd. I mean I just don't see losing 4-0 twice in the finals (to good players) being seen as not a good player. Taeja has only made 1 final all year where as jaedong has made way more (unfortunately hasn't won any). While I know this is only for august, making 2 finals should count for something even if getting 4-0'd.
I mean maru won the OSL then took an early bomb out of korea finals. Dunno I just don't see losing twice in the finals as a bad thing or not being seen as a top 5 player especially when the players been doing it for the past few months (I know this is augusts ranking).
Finals is still an amazing result especially being able to do it back to back. I feel like people put too much emphasis on winning tournaments, there can only be 1 winner and making the finals is no easy feat either, just like winning it.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
That and bomber lost to rain in the semi finals of wcs korea. He deserves #1 for sure.
On September 05 2013 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote: Pretty much don't agree with anything.
You change the rankings way too much from one month. How could you move Innovation and Rain down so low? They've been so dominant recently. How could you put Bomber into the best player spot after like what, one good tournament? This is all silly. Jaedong top 4 is still a month or two early.
Please consider the past 3-4 months when making the ranking please =/ Sorry about criticism, I just feel like this adds more confusion to what's happening in the scene opposed to who is really doing well long-term.
How many times does jaedong (or any good player) have to make the finals before he can be deemed worthy of top 5? :/
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
On September 05 2013 10:35 FiWiFaKi wrote: Pretty much don't agree with anything.
You change the rankings way too much from one month. How could you move Innovation and Rain down so low? They've been so dominant recently. How could you put Bomber into the best player spot after like what, one good tournament? This is all silly. Jaedong top 4 is still a month or two early.
Please consider the past 3-4 months when making the ranking please =/ Sorry about criticism, I just feel like this adds more confusion to what's happening in the scene opposed to who is really doing well long-term.
Read the OP
Results: Obviously, this will be the basis of any power rank. And since this is a monthly power rank, we'll be mainly focusing on results from the last month, that is the month of August. Past performances are taken into account as well, but with decreasing weight over time.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
Well it was all in the finals when he got 4-0'd. I mean I just don't see losing 4-0 twice in the finals (to good players) being seen as not a good player. Taeja has only made 1 final all year where as jaedong has made way more (unfortunately hasn't won any). While I know this is only for august, making 2 finals should count for something even if getting 4-0'd.
I mean maru won the OSL then took an early bomb out of korea finals. Dunno I just don't see losing twice in the finals as a bad thing or not being seen as a top 5 player especially when the players been doing it for the past few months (I know this is augusts ranking).
Finals is still an amazing result especially being able to do it back to back. I feel like people put too much emphasis on winning tournaments, there can only be 1 winner and making the finals is no easy feat either, just like winning it.
I don't really agree with maru being #3, but as certain people have stated before, results from wcs tends to really bump people up on the power rank.
Maybe it's just my disappointment that jaedong didn't win wcs europe finals speaking through. Oh well.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
Well it was all in the finals when he got 4-0'd. I mean I just don't see losing 4-0 twice in the finals (to good players) being seen as not a good player. Taeja has only made 1 final all year where as jaedong has made way more (unfortunately hasn't won any). While I know this is only for august, making 2 finals should count for something even if getting 4-0'd.
I mean maru won the OSL then took an early bomb out of korea finals. Dunno I just don't see losing twice in the finals as a bad thing or not being seen as a top 5 player especially when the players been doing it for the past few months (I know this is augusts ranking).
Finals is still an amazing result especially being able to do it back to back. I feel like people put too much emphasis on winning tournaments, there can only be 1 winner and making the finals is no easy feat either, just like winning it.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
That and bomber lost to rain in the semi finals of wcs korea. He deserves #1 for sure.
And Rain lost to Maru in WCS KR who lost to Scarlett who lost to...
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
No it wasn't okay, I disagreed with it then and I still do now.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
I didn't have a hand in that ranking so it was wrong.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
Well it was all in the finals when he got 4-0'd. I mean I just don't see losing 4-0 twice in the finals (to good players) being seen as not a good player. Taeja has only made 1 final all year where as jaedong has made way more (unfortunately hasn't won any). While I know this is only for august, making 2 finals should count for something even if getting 4-0'd.
I mean maru won the OSL then took an early bomb out of korea finals. Dunno I just don't see losing twice in the finals as a bad thing or not being seen as a top 5 player especially when the players been doing it for the past few months (I know this is augusts ranking).
Finals is still an amazing result especially being able to do it back to back. I feel like people put too much emphasis on winning tournaments, there can only be 1 winner and making the finals is no easy feat either, just like winning it.
On September 05 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:39 figq wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:35 stuchiu wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
That and bomber lost to rain in the semi finals of wcs korea. He deserves #1 for sure.
And Rain lost to Maru in WCS KR who lost to Scarlett who lost to...
There rankings aren't about x > y > z
I know that I was providing examples (I am fine with Maru being as high as he is considering he won WCS KR beating very good players to do so).
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
I just feel that going 0-8 vs terrans in finals is pretty good reason to not put him as 4. He would probably be the best player in the world if his zvt was better, but it's not and he's not.
Maybe I'm just being overly conservative, but being top5 in a power rank to me means not having a crippling weakness.
Well it was all in the finals when he got 4-0'd. I mean I just don't see losing 4-0 twice in the finals (to good players) being seen as not a good player. Taeja has only made 1 final all year where as jaedong has made way more (unfortunately hasn't won any). While I know this is only for august, making 2 finals should count for something even if getting 4-0'd.
I mean maru won the OSL then took an early bomb out of korea finals. Dunno I just don't see losing twice in the finals as a bad thing or not being seen as a top 5 player especially when the players been doing it for the past few months (I know this is augusts ranking).
Finals is still an amazing result especially being able to do it back to back. I feel like people put too much emphasis on winning tournaments, there can only be 1 winner and making the finals is no easy feat either, just like winning it.
On September 05 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:39 figq wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:35 stuchiu wrote:
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
That and bomber lost to rain in the semi finals of wcs korea. He deserves #1 for sure.
And Rain lost to Maru in WCS KR who lost to Scarlett who lost to...
There rankings aren't about x > y > z
I know that I was providing examples (I am fine with Maru being as high as he is considering he won WCS KR beating very good players to do so).
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
I didn't have a hand in that ranking so it was wrong.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
I didn't have a hand in that ranking so it was wrong.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
I didn't have a hand in that ranking so it was wrong.
On September 05 2013 11:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Why would Maru be #3 after getting absolutely demolished by Scarlett and also losing to aLive, whereas both those players don't even make top 10 ;;
Yeah he won WCS KR but his horrid performance at WCS Season Finals shouldn't mean absolutely nothing (he gained a rank???)
You could argue he was jetlagged and thus showed poor performance. One Tournament, even if it was the latest, shouldn't reflect a players performance fully.
On September 05 2013 11:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Why would Maru be #3 after getting absolutely demolished by Scarlett and also losing to aLive, whereas both those players don't even make top 10 ;;
Yeah he won WCS KR but his horrid performance at WCS Season Finals shouldn't mean absolutely nothing (he gained a rank???)
He won WCS KR on August 10 so that achievement counts for August.
Honestly, Innovation completely failed in August. Sora had an absolutely amazing run, perhaps the greatest run in SC2 history, beating an absurd number of well-known pros while coming in as a complete no-name.
On September 05 2013 11:27 isospeedrix wrote: Innovation a bit underrated. Hes adjusting to some hellbat nerfs but will be back in full force. probably should be 5 or 4.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
On September 05 2013 10:11 bo1b wrote: Rain should be rank 3 imo, he did reasonably well in proleague.
Trolling aside it's good to see a new power rank
Despite jaedong being my favourite zerg, at this juncture in time I really disagree with him being 4th on the list.
Why is that? He made back to back finals in august (wcs AM and WCS finals) beating good players as a result.
Tbh I don't agree with Taeja being at 2 (not saying Jaedong should be, honestly 2 is hard to say who I would put, but I just don't feel it should be Taeja).
im okay with any of taeja-maru-jaedong at #2, they all ahve their unique merits
TaeJa's is that he had like 0 bad series this month, while the others suffered some bad losses
JD and Maru had some really bad performances. Literally the only players Taeja lost to are Polt 2-3 and Bomber 2-3 who are both in the top 5 also and he crushed guys like Rain and played ABSURDLY good against Innovation.
Taeja clearly was better than JD and Maru this month. Unlike the other guys he had no weakness in his play.
On September 05 2013 11:27 isospeedrix wrote: Innovation a bit underrated. Hes adjusting to some hellbat nerfs but will be back in full force. probably should be 5 or 4.
it's been like two months dude
lol
Here is to hoping Bomber can prove himself #1 for atleast 2 months straight now.
On September 05 2013 11:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Why would Maru be #3 after getting absolutely demolished by Scarlett and also losing to aLive, whereas both those players don't even make top 10 ;;
Yeah he won WCS KR but his horrid performance at WCS Season Finals shouldn't mean absolutely nothing (he gained a rank???)
I believe he gained a rank only because people above him fell to lower ranks.
On September 05 2013 11:27 isospeedrix wrote: Innovation a bit underrated. Hes adjusting to some hellbat nerfs but will be back in full force. probably should be 5 or 4.
it's been like two months dude
lol
Here is to hoping Bomber can prove himself #1 for atleast 2 months straight now.
give Innovation more time, he needs at least 1 more year to adapt
On September 05 2013 10:31 Dodgin wrote: For a serious response, I was a bit surprised to see Taeja at #2 at first, but thinking about it now it definitely makes sense. I'm really happy to see First on the PR for 2 months in a row, he's the shining beacon of hope for IM right now other than when Mvp decides to be good. I honestly didn't think you were going to give Bomber the #1 spot because it was only one tournament but he does deserve it. WCS KR still holds a level of prestige even if It's not as high as the season finals' so Maru's placement makes sense, although I was expecting him at #2 for the 4-0 over innovation and the 0-2 to 4-2 over Rain.
I wonder if we're already seeing the end of Kespa team player domination? That sure didn't last long. I'm going to miss the aggressive Kespa fan posters who would shit all over eSF players, actually no I'm not going to miss them, but I will miss their unironic KESPAAAAAAA shouts. I can replace it with my ironic KESPAAAAAA shouts at least.
Flash is going to be rank 1 in Nov for winning WCS s3 and WCS GSL : ( One can hope
Nice writeup ^^ I do think Jaekong should be second but the 2-4th spots are kinda iffy so oh well xD
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
Which player would you move out of the top 10 to move Scarlett in? Soulkey is certainly a better zerg player and I would also rank Parting over Scarlett. In fact, there are a number of good players in GSL code S, A, and B that I would rank above Scarlett.
On September 05 2013 11:27 isospeedrix wrote: Innovation a bit underrated. Hes adjusting to some hellbat nerfs but will be back in full force. probably should be 5 or 4.
If he was one of the best terrans in the world, he wouldve already adjusted.
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
Scarlett was probably in the 20s or 30s before August, and now probably 11/12. She had the biggest jump of all the players. This isn't obvious because she didn't make the top 10, but it is hard to argue dropping Parting (WCG), Soulkey (still best Zerg I guess?) or Innovation for her even though I wanted her to make it.
On September 05 2013 11:40 Dreamer.T wrote: I am also surprised how scarlett is placed so low. She had pretty consistent results against strong opponents in both WCS AM and Finals.
If she was Korean terran she was going to be placed higher.
On September 05 2013 11:27 isospeedrix wrote: Innovation a bit underrated. Hes adjusting to some hellbat nerfs but will be back in full force. probably should be 5 or 4.
If he was one of the best terrans in the world, he wouldve already adjusted.
one of the best? He is top 5 and only that low because Bomber Polt and Taeja are all playing pretty amazing right now. Innovation isn't the undeniable best player anymore but he is one of the 10 best in the world without a doubt.
Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
If she was Korean she would've been ranked lower than she is now. I mean look at Naniwa getting special mentions. He certainly has no business being in the top 10.
On September 05 2013 11:32 Monochromatic wrote: I'd replace Innovation with Sora.
Honestly, Innovation completely failed in August. Sora had an absolutely amazing run, perhaps the greatest run in SC2 history, beating an absurd number of well-known pros while coming in as a complete no-name.
Didn't the guy make the semifinals of the OSL? Didn't the guy qualify for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea?
Innovation did have a rough month in August, but even then, his bad month is better than a lot of players' best months.
On September 05 2013 11:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Why would Maru be #3 after getting absolutely demolished by Scarlett and also losing to aLive, whereas both those players don't even make top 10 ;;
Yeah he won WCS KR but his horrid performance at WCS Season Finals shouldn't mean absolutely nothing (he gained a rank???)
Maru loses to Scarlett, who loses to Bomber, who loses to Rain, who loses to Maru There you go, Maru > Scarlett! Math proved!
Lol, people get so pissed off at this, quite funny :D Bomber was always going to be #1. Semi finals of WCS KR taking down a string of strong players on the way, then dominating WCS Finals. I think Jaedong definitely deserves his place in top 4, maybe I'd put him ahead of Maru. Taeja played beautifully all month. I think innovation will return to the top half very soon. Not so much about adjusting to the hellbat nerf, but was probably not happy with the situation of STX. He seemed happy to be part of acer in GSTL, infact I may have even seen him smile
I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank?
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
I like TL power rank. its all about what happened that month. I fully agree bomber deserves #1 by winning WCS finals. he also beat your #1. and polt beat your #1 as well.
i have a question bomber was really excited when the color blind patch came out and his performance got really better when it happened , does it mean he is colored blind??
This ranking is very poor. I am going to base everything on the last 40 days of games.
Innovation displayed in S2 Finals that his TvT is around the same level as Taeja who almost beat Bomber and Polt. Who are the best known TvT players. Also, Innovation has the best TvZ. He has shown weak TvP by his losses to Naniwa and Parting in TvP.
Jaedong only showed strong PvZ and against protoss who don't have good showings against zerg recently. Jaedong hasn't shown strong ZvT. Also, he was around the same level as Scarlett in ZvZ who was around the same level of Life who was thrashed by Soulkey. Soulkey has the best ZvT. Having the best ZvT is far more impressive than great ZvP. All top level protoss have mixed PvZ results (barring Sora). So beating them isn't that impressive.
First proved he was on a different level than Polt in PvT. Polt's best match up is TvT. Polt's TvZ was around Revival's level over a month ago, so hard to gauge. Polt defeated Jaedong, but his ZvT is weak.
Taeja: TvP: Top 5 TvT: Top 5 TvZ: (Barely defeated HyuN in bo3 and lost to Nerchio in bo1, no other relevant recent TvZ )
Polt: TvP: (A level below First) TvT: Top 5 TvZ: Hard to gauge. Above Jaedong which doesn't mean much.
Innovation: TvZ: Best TvT: Top 5 TvP: Below Parting?
Soulkey: ZvT: Best out of every zerg, SuperNova level, and below Innovation ZvZ: Best HOTS record of any top zerg (Never lost a bo3) Many top zergs haven’t played enough ZvZ with each other for me to know how they rank. ZvP: Below Sora?
Jaedong: ZvP: (Defeated several top protoss who haven't shown great or consistent PvZ) Which makes his dominance over them less impressive. ZvZ: Scarlett level or a little higher ZvT: Can’t compete with high level terrans. Only defeated Ryung in the past 35 who hasn’t shown great TvZ.
First: PvT: Top 5 PvP: Unknown PvZ: Beat Symbol who has weak ZvP and lost to Jaedong.
Maru: TvT: Beat Innovation when he had lesser TvT and lost to aLive who played on a higher level than at WCS NA. Hard to gauge. TvZ: Not great. TvP: Top 5
Parting: PvP: Possibly the best PvP? PvT: Above Innovation which doesn’t say much. PvZ: Below Soulkey.
Rain: PvT: Top 5 PvZ: Lost to Jaedong and beat Savage. Not impressive. PvP: Top level PvP
Look at aligulac for match history.
So tell me how Innovation is below First, Rain, Polt, Jaedong, and Maru?
Innovation has top 5 TvT, best TvZ, and weak TvP. Jaedong beat protoss not known for PvZ but showed great ZvP, high level ZvZ and weak ZvT. First has top 5 PvT, unknown PvP, and weak PvZ. Rain has top 5 PvT, high level PvP, and weak PvZ. Polt has top 5 TvT, high level TvZ, and weak TvP. Maru has top 5 TvP, high level TvT, and weak TvZ.
See the comparisons?
Jaedong is my favorite player on this list (besides Parting), but you are overrating him. SuperNova should be here over Parting. Supernova showed top level PvT almost beating First and Rain while showing top level TvZ by defeating Soulkey. SuperNova was more impressive to me than Parting. SuperNova lost to Dear and sOs, but that just means they have great PvT or SuperNova had a bad day. (I am not a SuperNova fan, don't start)
Writing too much detail would take too long, but you get the point. I am aware that games are also determined by mindset, build orders, tilting, small number of mistakes, good/bad day, consistency issues, and etc.
The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
I'd love to have someone impossibly consistent and always at the top in the scene, kinda like the "B" people in broodwar (you know what i'm talking about) and so I wanted innovation to continue as #1 for long periods of time.
However, variation is also good- not to mention Bomber's storyline is simply epic, and innovation's play has been so underwhelming this month.
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
conana~
When I google "conana" it just gives me pics of Conan O'Brien
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
On September 05 2013 14:01 bo1b wrote: I'm kind of interested if the writers of power rank are upset or happy when theres so much debate over each player on the list
On September 05 2013 14:14 Thrillz wrote: Honestly, and as expected, this month PR was gonno be messy and controversial. So much emphasis was placed on one tournament.
Well when you only have a few tournaments each month there is going to be a lot of emphasis placed on each one.
On September 05 2013 14:14 Thrillz wrote: Honestly, and as expected, this month PR was gonno be messy and controversial. So much emphasis was placed on one tournament.
Well when you only have a few tournaments each month there is going to be a lot of emphasis placed on each one.
Which is unavoidable, but not less controversial. 1 decent run or 1 bad day erases everything you did before.
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP
Money is power; winning gets you money :p
Well then MC should be in the top 10 shouldn't he? xP
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP
Money is power; winning gets you money :p
Well then MC should be in the top 10 shouldn't he? xP
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank?
results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank.
So to answer your question, dropping to challenger league and failing to requalify would get a player considerably lower, failing to requalify in the next season would drop them out. Not dropping (but not winning) or just requalifying in the shortest amount of time does NOT make you the worse player. Nobody can have 100% winrate (nobody can get even close to that at all).
Therefore I don't believe having such heavy emphasis on only this month results can pinpoint the best players in the world, in any way, shape or form.
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank?
results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank.
On September 05 2013 14:20 Zealously wrote: Please keep in mind that since Innovation is no longer KeSPA he gets no inherent +5 in the rankings
Makes perfect sense. Count them K.e.S.P.A.
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Have to say all in all i'd agree with this PR, Taeja should be in top 10 alone for that TvT he showed us vs Inno. With him having good games and good results each time over the last month i can see him being number 2.
People see Innovation's all kill in the GSTL and forget how far he fell in august, he's still a top terran but his weaknesses were clearly shown last month. Only his TvZ remains something you can't beat, he lost the auro of the other two matchups.
I know results don't show it, but i still believe Soulkey is the better zerg between SK and JD. It's just that Soulkey has less chances to prove it. And fair enough JD did improve again and again, even his 0-4 vs Polt was not that bad, he played rather well imo, just never good enough to beat Polt or the TvZ matchup.
Ive always thought of Power Rankings as more of a "who's winning RIGHT now" and less of "who's better overall". So basically I have no issue with the rankings. Thanks for a great article and good insight. .
On September 05 2013 15:12 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Ive always thought of Power Rankings as more of a "who's winning RIGHT now" and less of "who's better overall". So basically I have no issue with the rankings. Thanks for a great article and good insight. .
If you are winning right now, aren't you better overall right now either ?
Power rank without PL seems so boringly reasonable.
Watching Jaedong getting sent to so many tournaments and improving in every one is so satisfying to watch. It´s like his inner tyrant has been unleashed in this setting.
On September 05 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: The rankings also take into consideration tournament success, not just quality of play. People who win things (or get 2nd I guess) get a huge bump over people who don't.
I know, but that defeats the purpose of a power ranking in my opinion. Since stronger players with less results are lower. Oh well. xP
Money is power; winning gets you money :p
Well then MC should be in the top 10 shouldn't he? xP
On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote: I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain.
The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results.
I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month.
Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be.
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them.
Totally agree with your points. I might also add, regarding the "winning tournaments gives you a real bump" that, as a non BW watcher (by that I mean that I didn't know what it was like back then), I had hoped the power rank would be the exaggerated epitome of objectivity and skepticism towards (kinda shorts) streaks, hype and sudden rises. Obviously this would inherently have a lot of disadvantages and would mean PR would seem always a bit off and standing some feet above the stuff happening meanwhile, [which is a spirit I would actually quite like, and you often will find in respectable, old, organizations (with all the fire some of them deserve)]. I mean, if it was just a review of last month's results, why make it such a big deal then?
Some of the rankings I disagree the most with and that back what I'm trying to say are mostly basing this PR on a 16-men tournament where probably 10 of them where jetlagged as hell (looking at you rain), and dropping soulkey *so* low. With my conception of the PR (and I agree it is as arguable as any other and you are welcome to discuss it), this guy would be the perfect fit for a top top ranking. He's probably the most consistent player on HoTS, and as you said and Tasteless perfectly summarized "basically only loses to innovation". Losing to this player, your archnemesis, in his best matchup, which happens to be a bit biased too isn't enough to be placed so low, even if it means you didn't have the chance to prove himself at WCS finals, and that is something, to me, PR should consider. I mean, did you see this guy play in WCS a few days agos? This guy is a fucking ROCK </fanboy>
Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
TaeJa has always had amazing TvT, and Rain is predictable to the point where if a player players greedy economically, they tend to win (provided they're a good player). With that said, I don't believe TaeJa belongs at #2.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Well I guess in the months before this one we had the blessing of a stable ranking through the good players being good but with the recent chaos this power rank stumbles into absurdity. Sad to see. I don't blame monk, I blame the game btw.
On September 05 2013 17:29 Aunvilgod wrote: POLT?!?
Well I guess in the months before this one we had the blessing of a stable ranking through the good players being good but with the recent chaos this power rank stumbles into absurdity. Sad to see. I don't blame monk, I blame the game btw.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
???
Bomber's path was very tough from OSL to Regionals. A lot harder than Taeja's, not to mention he got his championship by slaying Taeja himself. He's now 8-2 against him in HotS.
With the way Rain was playing in Europe, I highly doubt Bomber would've lost to him again.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
This just in: TvP only match-up that matters
What's going on darling, you seem aggressive recently :/
As a summary of the month I agree with most things on this list. Only thing to criticize imo is Maru that high considering how hard he got smacked around at the WCS Finals by aLive and Scarlett.
On September 05 2013 17:29 Aunvilgod wrote: POLT?!?
Well I guess in the months before this one we had the blessing of a stable ranking through the good players being good but with the recent chaos this power rank stumbles into absurdity. Sad to see. I don't blame monk, I blame the game btw.
Power Rank is wrong
Cataclysm Redux
It's not that the last power ranks were wrong or anything...
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
This just in: TvP only match-up that matters
What's going on darling, you seem aggressive recently :/
As a summary of the month I agree with most things on this list. Only thing to criticize imo is Maru that high considering how hard he got smacked around at the WCS Finals by aLive and Scarlett.
People want to deny Bomber his rightful #1; with Life not on the list, I have to get behind the next best player! TT
Massive shake ups wow! Wonder if this trend will continue, but I rate in November things should plateau. Can't wait for these next 2 months to play out.
As usual these aren't very interesting anymore because there are not really any difference in 'power' between the players - only difference in achievements.
On September 05 2013 17:29 Aunvilgod wrote: POLT?!?
Well I guess in the months before this one we had the blessing of a stable ranking through the good players being good but with the recent chaos this power rank stumbles into absurdity. Sad to see. I don't blame monk, I blame the game btw.
On September 05 2013 10:27 figq wrote: Lol, this is ridiculous. Probably the most absurd one to date.
With the now official crowning of Bomber as "the best in the world" (lololol), I hereby declare the new "curse" of winning a WCS Season Final. You win one, you get super mega ultra hyped, and before late, you drop miserably off the chart. Innovation check, Bomber soon to check too.
You did read this part right?
A review, not a predictor: The PR is a rating based on previous results, not a scouting report for who will do well in the future. We can't believe this is not completely obvious.
And I don't presume that you predict anything. It's just the whole "oh the best etc etc". The curse of WCS Season Champions is not directly related to this, with it or without it, it just kinda happens on its own. People take winning this thing way too seriously as if it actually means the guy is the best, when he could easily not be.
How are you ever going to know who's truly best, stay in their team houses, watch them practice and decide for yourself who plays the best? Bomber won the biggest and most important tournament, so in that month he was the best. It seems pretty simple to me.
I'll give you an example. Soulkey won WCS KR over Innovation. The PR came right after it. It still had Innovation as #1, despite he just lost a very important final in the most important region. (it was before the season world finals) That was okay, right?
No it wasn't okay, I disagreed with it then and I still do now.
you weren't around when we used to have the prs? it has changed massively into a ranking of achievments.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
This just in: TvP only match-up that matters
What's going on darling, you seem aggressive recently :/
As a summary of the month I agree with most things on this list. Only thing to criticize imo is Maru that high considering how hard he got smacked around at the WCS Finals by aLive and Scarlett.
People want to deny Bomber his rightful #1; with Life not on the list, I have to get behind the next best player! TT
It's just that I don't trust this resurgence of his to be long term. I mean in WoL he just almost couldn't beat any good TvT player and in HoTS he suddenly just beat everyone in TvT? Maybe he is the type of player that is good when the game is still kinda fresh. I feel that Taeja has more of a long-term qualities. But we'll see.
On September 05 2013 17:26 painkilla wrote: Taeja is clearly the most powerful player and should be #1. His domination of Rain demonstrated nothing but power. Bomber might have won WCS, on the back of smart preparation and diverse strategies but no one can play TvP like Taeja did.
Yes, clearly
Yes, clearly. Bomber's play is efficient but not awe inspiring. He had good brackets too. I felt Rain would have beaten him again if they met.
This just in: TvP only match-up that matters
What's going on darling, you seem aggressive recently :/
As a summary of the month I agree with most things on this list. Only thing to criticize imo is Maru that high considering how hard he got smacked around at the WCS Finals by aLive and Scarlett.
People want to deny Bomber his rightful #1; with Life not on the list, I have to get behind the next best player! TT
It's just that I don't trust this resurgence of his to be long term. I mean in WoL he just almost couldn't beat any good TvT player and in HoTS he suddenly just beat everyone in TvT? Maybe he is the type of player that is good when the game is still kinda fresh. I feel that Taeja has more of a long-term qualities. But we'll see.
Power Rank isn't for long term. Its for how good a player looked comparison to the rest in ONE month of play. Bomber can retire in September and he'd still be on this list since its for last month.
On September 05 2013 18:43 Elroi wrote: I think Maru should be #1 for winning wcs korea.
As usual these aren't very interesting anymore because there are not really any difference in 'power' between the players - only difference in achievements.
why in the world should he be first? why would wcs korea be valued more that the FINALS?
Lets not forget how baddly Maru got stomped in the finals!!
Ofc there is difference in Power! Looking at your phrase makes me wonder if you actually watched the games this month! or your just commenting these based on the results!
Power rank continuing it's trend of ridiculous decisions. "Duckdeok only won WCS EU by beating non-koreans and MC so he can't be in the top 10, but Rain beat non-koreans and MC to get to the WCS Ro8! Clearly he deserves to be better than players that actually played well this month." The same logic seems to have been used throughout with Polt at 5 despite going straight out in WCS, Jaedong at 4 (despite Soulkey being on the list because he's the best korean zerg", Maru at 3 and Taeja at 2.
I like bomber and taeja as #1-2 but innovation and soulkey are still way better than first,polt,jaedong and maru imo. Innovation got edged out barely against taeja and admittedly had a lousy series against naniwa but he is still insane. Going by recent results I get this power rank but if I actually had to bet i'd still go with innovation and soulkey against pretty much anyone on this list. I like Rain being put so low though, technically he had pretty good results with KR finals and getting out of the group in WCS finals but he just looked lousy throughout. He is playing crappy lately being way too safe but not having the sheer dominance later to make up for it anymore.
People want to deny Bomber his rightful #1; with Life not on the list, I have to get behind the next best player! TT
Thing is, I agree with Bomber at #1. This is a power rank after all.
But I don't have the feeling that he is the best player in the world, not in the same way I had with Innovation in june and july. Also august have been pretty volatile in some ways, maybe due to WCS. Looking forward through September I hope we will see consistent results from our top players.
Innovation is just renting out his top spot, after winning the SPL and signing for Acer, he took a holiday. He's already heading back to the top, after his all kill in the GSTL. His win rate is set to soar now he is playing GSTL all kill format instead of proleague. I wonder if he might even break the record for the most all kills in one year - he's already up to 4?
Bad list delete First, he just got rolled. Oh well nice to see Polt up there I would have thought Scarlett deserved to sneak in there, RO8 WCS finals beating Korea Champion to get there and taking on bomber head to head. Ah well.
On September 05 2013 22:19 opterown wrote: hater ^
Just think Maru shouldn't be 3rd place after what happened at WCS Finals. Rather have Jaedong take third cause he's consistently been improving and placing very high. He's only really weak against finals.
On September 05 2013 21:43 TrevaH wrote: Bad list delete First, he just got rolled. Oh well nice to see Polt up there I would have thought Scarlett deserved to sneak in there, RO8 WCS finals beating Korea Champion to get there and taking on bomber head to head. Ah well.
The list is for performance in August, not for future performances....
On September 05 2013 21:33 Lock0n wrote: Innovation is just renting out his top spot, after winning the SPL and signing for Acer, he took a holiday. He's already heading back to the top, after his all kill in the GSTL. His win rate is set to soar now he is playing GSTL all kill format instead of proleague. I wonder if he might even break the record for the most all kills in one year - he's already up to 4?
It depends if they keep sending him out first. I think they did it this time because he was just signed so they made sure he would play. But I think it is likely they will keep him as 4th or maybe 3rd in the future. So his kill totals will depend how the rest of his team does.
This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.
There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall. Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).
Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already. Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10. But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.
On September 05 2013 19:32 Yonnua wrote: Power rank continuing it's trend of ridiculous decisions. "Duckdeok only won WCS EU by beating non-koreans and MC so he can't be in the top 10, but Rain beat non-koreans and MC to get to the WCS Ro8! Clearly he deserves to be better than players that actually played well this month." The same logic seems to have been used throughout with Polt at 5 despite going straight out in WCS, Jaedong at 4 (despite Soulkey being on the list because he's the best korean zerg", Maru at 3 and Taeja at 2.
Rain did get 2nd in the OSL, and duckdeok floundered at the Season finals. Rain has just looked stronger.
With the 2-4 spots being a close call, Jaedong should have received the #2 spot. He's been racking up so many second places lately, it's hard to deny him another one.
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!)
No, he is´nt. He lost 1 series to TargA, but shit happens. He also finally overcame duckdeok, eliminated Innovation in WCS and took a map of Jaedong in ZvP in a tournament, where he beat First and Rain x-0 and qualified for IEM NY, clearly beating Stardust and a bunch of others on the way.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break")
Although I´m not the biggest Scarlett-fan, I´m pretty sure she does have the "spirit", but does´nt have the wirsts.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?)
People retire. Do you expect everyone to play until they are 30? Surely Stephano is a huge loss, but his retirement was sure for a long time now.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
Koreans are better. They always were. They will always be and noone disagrees with you there. But comparing he dominance to bw, when the OSL and World champion just got knocked out by foreigners is ridiculos. If you compare the Season 2 finals results with the 2011 GSL championship, the situation is pretty much the same.
On September 05 2013 23:08 Figgy wrote: Innovation below Polt and First??
This about this honestly:
You have to bet your life on one player to take the next WCS championship.
Which one would YOU bet your life on?
I think most people would agree while Innovation has lost a step, he surely hasn't lost 7.
But this isn't what the power rankings are about... It is about results for that month (and to a lesser extent, the previous months).
A lot of people seem to be overlooking that fact. It was already clear that innovation was prone to early and mid game aggression, and players abused that at the finals
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much...
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
I'm the only who thinks koreas are losing that invincibility aura that was before? A lot of top foregins pro-players are beating top code s players a lot recently.
On September 06 2013 01:08 renaissanceMAN wrote: Sad to see Innovation fall so far, but I have no doubt in my mind that the Robot Terran will have a resurgence now that he's on Acer.
On September 06 2013 01:08 renaissanceMAN wrote: Sad to see Innovation fall so far, but I have no doubt in my mind that the Robot Terran will have a resurgence now that he's on Acer.
On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on?
I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD
Taeja would have crushed JD in any tournament, any round. Partially Terran op, partially jd kinda terrible in z vt. Frankly, JD got lucky in those tournaments by avoiding strong T, which by the way there's a lot. I doubt he could make out of Scarlett's group.
On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on?
I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD
I don't think this rank is about who beat who, but who have done better this month... And JD has done better than Taeja in my opinion.
In terms of placings, Jaedong definitely did better then taeja, but Taeja did much better vs those opponents (3-2 loss to bomber and polt compared to jaedongs 4-0 losses)
On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on?
I disagree. If they had met in either finals, Taeja would have crushed JD
I don't think this rank is about who beat who, but who have done better this month... And JD has done better than Taeja in my opinion.
In terms of placings, Jaedong definitely did better then taeja, but Taeja did much better vs those opponents (3-2 loss to bomber and polt compared to jaedongs 4-0 losses)
You aren't taking into account the difficulty of opponents, taeja had much harder players to face IMO which is why he is above JD and I think overall played a lot better too.
I could see how difficult it was for the writer to pick 2-8.
Seriously, with the results like these it looked like "okay we've got these 8 players let's randompick 'em into our chart".
Tbh, even Bomber's place on top is a bit shaky with his close series with Scarlett. If it'd be me highlighting a person that'd be definitely Scarlett with her very impressive play.
I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
On September 06 2013 01:23 RiSkysc2 wrote: Jaedong > Taeja. A little TL bias going on?
No, I agree with the Power Rank. Taeja has been really hot. Taeja has played more games (45-20), has won way more games, and has beaten more top opponents -- granted, most of their major wins were vs protoss, but Taeja has beaten top Protoss convincingly in a match-up that Terrans have struggled in recently. The wins however just weren't at the right juncture of a tournament. All Jaedong has over Taeja are the second place finishes where the 0-4's really hurt him. Taeja lost to the same opponents, but went the distance narrowly losing both 2-3.
Maru on the other hand, I would have definitely put Jaedong ahead of.
On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much...
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey?
Innovation has, was easy.
Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this.
On September 06 2013 02:06 Jer99 wrote: You aren't taking into account the difficulty of opponents, taeja had much harder players to face IMO which is why he is above JD and I think overall played a lot better too.
That's the last point I have
Difficulty? Well as i well remember JD have beaten all the top protoss in the world, Naniwa, First, Rain, opponents who could have beaten any player that taeja have take out.
On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much...
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey?
Innovation has, was easy.
Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this.
I have only said that because he was saying soulkey ZvT is better tha scarlett, but i can't agree if that, Scarlett prove that she is one of the strongest players to take the title of the best ZvT in the world as Soulkey can have that title too. And this rank is avaliating the best performances of the month. Are you going to say to me that Soulkey had a better performance than scarlett this month? A lot of players would say no. I'm not saying that scarlett or naniwa are better than soulkey, he did won the hardest tournament in the world, but as I have said before, not this month.
On September 06 2013 00:49 Mocking wrote: Wow, I can't agree a lot . My god, why soulkey is there? Why Parting is there? Scarlett have done way better than both of them in this month, even Naniwa i would agree more than both of them. Bomber first i agree. Taeja 2nd? Why he is there? yeah he show to us amazing games, but he didn't accomplished nothing. JD I would put him perhaps a little better, but is fine. Maru have won WCS korea, but in WCS finals he get crushed, so #3 is ok. And duckdeock deserve more than Parting the #10 but not that much...
On September 06 2013 00:50 Mocking wrote:
On September 06 2013 00:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
On September 05 2013 23:11 Figgy wrote:
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Her ZvT is good, but have you met Soulkey?
Innovation has, was easy.
Please, Pleaaaase get some knowledge of the scene, its (very recent) history (by that I mainly mean players' records and run in tournaments, nothing else) and how seeding is working for the WCS system before saying utter bullshit like this.
I have only said that because he was saying soulkey ZvT is better tha scarlett, but i can't agree if that, Scarlett prove that she is one of the strongest players to take the title of the best ZvT in the world as Soulkey can have that title too. And this rank is avaliating the best performances of the month. Are you going to say to me that Soulkey had a better performance than scarlett this month? A lot of players would say no. I'm not saying that scarlett or naniwa are better than soulkey, he did won the hardest tournament in the world, but as I have said before, not this month.
This month, Soulkey didn't lose a serie to anybody else than innovation an a supernova probably at its hottest in a while. That's it. Period. This guy is a rock and has had the most consistent good results on HoTS. And please, if you didn't already, get some knowledge about the current state of TvZ and particularly Innovation v Z. Your comment on innovation 3-0ing soulkey (in close fought fashion imho) was nothing but stupid doucheyness.
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream..
On September 06 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote: taeja at no2? funny...
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream..
Taeja beat Rain, who also lost to JD
Do you really think Taeja isn't able to beat Naniwa, First, MC or Jim and Scarlett? He'd be favorite against all of them
On September 05 2013 11:52 Superiorwolf wrote: Honestly if Scarlett was Korean she probably would have been placed by the writers in 6th or 7th place. I'd argue this month she had more impressive performances than a lot of those players above that.
joke post
it was a great post.. scarlett won against top korean terrans in august.. if she was korean she would be in top10, that is not in question..
PR shoould have some points system.. points for tournament placements, points for streaks, points for wins etc.
On September 06 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote: taeja at no2? funny...
maybe he would win against jd but he would not win against players JD crushed...
i really hope that taeja is not at no2 just because he is from liquid.. but again, i can't see another reason why he is where he is.. his performance is not no2, not even in a dream..
Taeja beat Rain, who also lost to JD
Do you really think Taeja isn't able to beat Naniwa, First, MC or Jim and Scarlett? He'd be favorite against all of them
maybe he would be against all of them but it would be interesting to see him against scarletts zvt and against first.. or even jim, he has very good pvt..
I can see why people would argue JD had better results than Taeja, but i don't get why a lot of people think he would have any problems beating Naniwa or MC, who might be good but not rain level in PvT in any way.
Every time a Power Rank comes out People hate on Taeja being to high and still he keeps improving every month and just climbing up the ladder.
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR. You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix. Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
Everyone saying that Jaedong should be ranked higher than Taeja is out of their minds. Jaedong was DEMOLISHED by Polt and Bomber, while Taeja played both in close series, not to mention beat Innovation, and, in my opinion, would have certainly won the finals against JD had it been him instead of Bomber.
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
Kinda hard to argue imbalance though when PvT is about as statistically "imbalanced" as TvZ yet Taeja went 22-5 vs Protoss (Jaedong 2-9 vs Terran), with many notable games going late. Just imagine if Jaedong and Scarlett could fuse.
How Rain is above Innovation beats me. So, what are the sins of Innovation: Losing to Maru, Parting, Taeja and Naniwa (10 maps dropped in total). Oh, wait, he lost to Maru in July, that doesn't count. So it's only 6 maps lost. What about Rain? Lost to Maru, Parting, Taeja and Jaedong (dropped 11 maps). Looks similar to Innovation+July, doesn't it. The only difference is switching Naniwa for Jaedong. But actually, Rain dropped 5 more maps and lost to Maru while Innovation did not.
On the plus side, Rain beat Bomber 4-1, MC and Welmu (basically don't count.) Innovation, on the other hand, 3-0's Soulkey and won against the formidable Zest. Good on Rain for beating Bomber, god knows many cannot, but that's his only win. Innovation at the same time took 3 different matches, and especially the matches against Soulkey. Overall map scores: Innovation 6-6, Rain 10-11.
The power ranking mistook Innovation's defeat to Maru from July, without taking Rain's rather mediocre results into account both in terms of a lack of tournament wins and losing to the likes of Hyvaa, Trap and Pigbaby. The only explanation I can think of is that Innovation's defeats were much more widely discussed, while Rain's more mediocre results were just forgotten.
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
Bomber is totally overrated. He beat First who has an obvious weakness in midgame TvP, Grubby doesn't count, Scarlett a foreigner, JD who is a ZvT noob, and almost choked away his 2-0 lead vs Taeja. Now Bomber is good at mixing up WoL and HoTS strats, will give him that but against solid players like Rain, SK, or even more tricky player like sOs he won't stand a chance.
Overall pretty disappoint with this PR. The TL writers seem to chicken out from putting up more fundamentally good players, and go with the safe route of copy/ paste tournaments ranking into this PR.
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR. You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix. Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.
On September 05 2013 11:35 Delorean80 wrote: I do not undersand.
So Scarlett cannot enter the Top10 after making Top4 in WCS AM beating Hero, Revival and Alive, only losing in a close 2-3 to Jaedong (Your Top4) in a tournament where also competed the likes of Taeja, Polt, Ryung... Then she makes Top8 in the season finals, beating MMA and Maru (current GSL champion and your Top3), then again only losing in a close 2-3 against the eventual champion Bomber (your Top1). And all of this "At a time when all Zergs are struggling" in you own words.
Sorry, it simply doesnt make any sense to me.
I really have to quote this.
Scarletts only losses were against top koreans, and she had some amazing runs. She absolutely deserves top 10 this time around, especially after her astounding ZvT.
She may have the best ZvT in the world at the moment, I wouldn't take that lightly.
Yeah, I agree too. If you look at the facts, she did not play a bad series in august and only lost to N1 and N3 of the PR in a very very close fashion.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.
There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall. Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).
Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already. Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10. But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.
On September 05 2013 10:13 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: :O
you know, I'm overjoyed to see the annoying Kespa fanboys who were out in full-force for the first 2 power ranks get stomped back into their holes, but I can't say I agree with the placement of Bogus and Rain at all.
Bogus should be #3 and no less in my book, while First and Rain should be swapped. I don't understand how that conclusion was reached at all. I mean the criteria states past results and quality of play factor in, so I can't understand #8 for Bogus.
At least the top 10 matches my own completely, just not the same order.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.
There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall. Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).
Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already. Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10. But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Haha, yeah nice and ignorant . Hope to see you back soon Scarlett!
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR. You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix. Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.
Eh you'll actually be surprised. I guarantee flash and jaedong wouldn't have won as many tournaments if they played in as many tournaments + traveled as much as now (well I guess jaedong, flash hasn't traveled to much yet). I feel like people don't realize how much that actually affects players especially the more they do in a short amount of time.
On September 05 2013 22:26 Caladan wrote: This PR is pretty reasonable. Maybe you could have mentioned Flash, as he is still top5 terran in the world.
There is absolutely nothing to complain in regards to Innovation's placement. I'd actually not have been surprised if the author didn't place him top 10 overall. Innovation was overhyped the last months and last month he looked like any other mediocre korean terran, maybe except that fantastic vs. Taeja game (best game of the year imo).
Foreigners' situation is sad. Naniwa in a slump (out of WCS already!), Scarlett not having the spirit (taking a "break") and Stephano retiring (after too many losses?). Even TLO is in a slump and out of WCS already. Koreans are now miles and miles away and have finally achieved complete dominance over the world, like in Broodwar days.
So this PR will most likely never ever again see a foreigner in top 10. But it will be tense to watch Jaedong and Flash on their further way. Will be nice to see *if* they can turn on that final switch that once turned them from really good players to giants.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
That whoever wrote it is stupid as shit and doesn't understand that wrists that hurts need rest. I hope you have a speedy recovery and returns stronger than ever. Fighting!!!
Maru so overrated. I'm mostly a Terran fan but tbf Maru's standard play is worse than any top10 Terran. He was just much better prepared during OSL than his opponents, probably due to a coach or teammate. In a setting where you can't prepare that deeply and just have to play solid games he can lose to any shitty player (see WCS finals)
Im not sure innovation really deserves to slide that far down what did some of the people above him like maru really do so much better to stay higher? I think flash should get on the chart just because hes flash maybe add an eleventh spot and just always give it to him
On September 06 2013 02:33 Grumbels wrote: I guess the new purpose of the power rank is to put recent results into context and to provide more narrative/story to the scene? (this would be why the only people that are in the power rank are the ones that did well at recent tournaments) This is a bit different from a power rank that's supposed to highlight the best players though. Because when TL did power ranks for SC2 tournaments it was more about the strongest players going into the tournament.
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Power Ranks have always been about results and beauty of play. Since the BW days.
He's talking about the MLG PR we had a while ago and other Sc2 PRs we sometimes had for some events.
But in a way, BW PRs used to be more stable, on the one hand BW scene was a bit less volatile but I feel there's also some kind of editorial choices that have been made recently that impacts the stability and overall meaning of the PRs we get now.
It's cause there is simply waaay more tournaments going on compared to BW PR. You had proleague rankings mostly with once a while some OSL in the mix. Now we got 3 "OSL/Code S" tournaments going on at the same time followed by a final, we got 2 teamleagues and a crapload of weekend tournaments.
That's not the important difference. In BW the most powerful player won much more frequently against weaker opponents. (Like e.g. JD and Flash facing each other in 4 straight finals or the reign of the bonjwas...) in sc2 anyone in top 20 can win a tournament.
Eh you'll actually be surprised. I guarantee flash and jaedong wouldn't have won as many tournaments if they played in as many tournaments + traveled as much as now (well I guess jaedong, flash hasn't traveled to much yet). I feel like people don't realize how much that actually affects players especially the more they do in a short amount of time.
And i want to add on that, in old BW times, all the training, strategies, replay is strictly kept in team. And the ladder practice is far less effective than SCII. So basically, it's much harder for low level players to match the top-tier.
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
Awww, I was really hoping for Taeja at number 1, though I totally understand why he wasn't. His play in the WCS Grand Finals was just sublime. All in all, I find it hard to argue with the ranking this month
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
While I agree with you that I believe Taeja is above JD for now, I disagree with your reasoning. Taeja's mistakes against Jaedong is a mistake he should've made in the first place and I think he should be punished for it. Other than that, I agree that Taeja had a better month and performance.
On September 07 2013 06:39 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru so overrated. I'm mostly a Terran fan but tbf Maru's standard play is worse than any top10 Terran. He was just much better prepared during OSL than his opponents, probably due to a coach or teammate. In a setting where you can't prepare that deeply and just have to play solid games he can lose to any shitty player (see WCS finals)
So which of Scarlett and aLive are you saying is a shitty player? Out of curiosity.
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
JD just beat taeja 2-0 in iem qualifiers, and beat him in sc2 league..
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
JD just beat taeja 2-0 in iem qualifiers, and beat him in sc2 league..
If only JD did it 11 days ago during the month in question (and despite those wins wouldnt have put him ahead of Taeja anyways).
This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
JD just beat taeja 2-0 in iem qualifiers, and beat him in sc2 league..
If only JD did it 11 days ago during the month in question (and despite those wins wouldnt have put him ahead of Taeja anyways).
Man if only Taeja could make back to back finals also.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
I'm with you man, It's starting to get to me too. I fear we'll never have a truly consistent player ever again, Innovation is the closest we've had to one in HotS and he's only won one tournament despite being so good.
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
JD just beat taeja 2-0 in iem qualifiers, and beat him in sc2 league..
If only JD did it 11 days ago during the month in question (and despite those wins wouldnt have put him ahead of Taeja anyways).
Man if only Taeja could make back to back finals also.
Yeah, if only Taeja could make back to back finals on the figurative back of a single match-up and then go 0-8.
On September 06 2013 08:56 Lobotomist wrote: Jaedong weirded me out so hard this month. Crushed through JvP (is that even a thing we can say any more?) and then totally fell apart against terran. My zerg bias wants to write it off as terran op but 0-8 is...beyond imbalance.
"JvP" was coined because Jaedong used to stomp every protoss player so badly that it felt like a different match up from the normal match up every one else played.
The funny part is nowadays people use it with the complete opposite connotation.
Kinda like JYPvT :s
I thought that that was the original conotation, i guess i was wrong
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
I think its always going to be like this because of just a big combination of factors no one will ever be able to pin down exactly why.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
I think its always going to be like this because of just a big combination of factors no one will ever be able to pin down exactly why.
I can pin down one. There's less difference in skill between players.
On September 09 2013 18:54 purgerinho wrote: jaedong - taeja 2:0 - nuff said! i hope people will stop with "taeja would destroy JD every time - all the time"
Yeah but that was before the summer started and way before Taeja started looking like he does now. Taeja now looks on another level entirely. Plus both the games JD just won because Taeja didnt wall off the ramp from speedlings not exactly long macro games of JD outplaying him.
Also Taeja definitely deserves to be higher than JD. His only losses were Bomber and Polt (both crushed JD) and he barely lost to both 2-3. He also beat Polt earlier in WCS 2-1. He beat Innovation, duckdeok, and Rain. He basically beat the best player from Europe and America and two of the consensus best players in Korea. (and side note overcame his historically horrible performances against Rain)
JD just beat taeja 2-0 in iem qualifiers, and beat him in sc2 league..
If only JD did it 11 days ago during the month in question (and despite those wins wouldnt have put him ahead of Taeja anyways).
Man if only Taeja could make back to back finals also.
Well, maybe Taeja was just unlucky to meet the best player in that particular tournament one round earlier...
Still, everybody saying Taeja would destroy JD every time is just stupid, especially if you listened to their DH interviews where he stated they are like 50-50 in practice.
On September 13 2013 12:11 jax1492 wrote: I wait for the day flash is #1 in the power ranking
Me too but it might be a very long wait. I think flash might be starting to see the volatility of this game compared to say other games he used to play where consistently winning is much harder to do.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
Yes. It was known as the OSL curse. There were no repeat winners of the OSL for about 8 or so years. The exceptions came very late in BWs lifespan. Often winners were eliminated in the group stage the following season. Here's the complete list (very interesting!): + Show Spoiler +
Group = Ro16, except in 2006 where Group = Ro32, Elimination bracket started Ro8 except in 2006 where it started Ro16
Hanaro: Grrr... wins the first OSL final Freechal: Grrr... out third in group, GARIMTO wins final
Hanbitsoft: GARIMTO out before Ro16, Boxer wins final Coca-Cola: Boxer wins final Sky 2001: Boxer loses final, GARIMTO wins
Nate: GARIMTO out third in group, Sync wins Sky 2002: Sync out third in group, Reach wins Panasonic: Reach out last, Nada wins
Olympus: Nada out last, Xellos wins MyCube: Xellos out last in group, Kingdom wins NHN: Kingdom out last in group, Nal_rA wins
Gillette: Nal_rA out third in group, July wins Ever 2004: July out Ro8, Iloveoov wins IOPS: Iloveoov out last in group, Nada wins
Ever 2005: Nada out 3rd in group, July wins So1: July eliminated Ro8, Anytime wins Shinhan 2005: Anytime out last in group, Iloveoov wins
Shinhan 2006-1: Oov eliminated Ro16, Casy wins Shinhan 2006-2: Casy out last in group, Nada wins Shinhan 2006-3: Nada loses the final, Savior wins
Daum: Savior loses Ro8, GGPlay wins Ever 2007: GGplay out last in group, Jaedong wins Bacchus 2007-8: Jaedong out Ro8, Flash wins
Ever 2008: Flash loses Ro8, July wins Incruit: July out last in group, Stork wins Batoo: Stork out Ro8, Jaedong wins
Bacchus 2009: Jaedong wins (first time since Boxer that we have a double champion) Ever 2009: Jaedong loses Ro8, Flash wins
Korean Air 2010-1: Flash loses final, Effort wins Korean Air 2010-2: Effort out last in group, Flash wins final Bacchus 2010: Flash out third in group, Fantasy wins
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
Yes. It was known as the OSL curse. There were no repeat winners of the OSL for about 8 or so years. The exceptions came very late in BWs lifespan. Often winners were eliminated in the group stage the following season. Here's the complete list (very interesting!): + Show Spoiler +
Group = Ro16, except in 2006 where Group = Ro32, Elimination bracket started Ro8 except in 2006 where it started Ro16
Hanaro: Grrr... wins the first OSL final Freechal: Grrr... out third in group, GARIMTO wins final
Hanbitsoft: GARIMTO out before Ro16, Boxer wins final Coca-Cola: Boxer wins final Sky 2001: Boxer loses final, GARIMTO wins
Nate: GARIMTO out third in group, Sync wins Sky 2002: Sync out third in group, Reach wins Panasonic: Reach out last, Nada wins
Olympus: Nada out last, Xellos wins MyCube: Xellos out last in group, Kingdom wins NHN: Kingdom out last in group, Nal_rA wins
Gillette: Nal_rA out third in group, July wins Ever 2004: July out Ro8, Iloveoov wins IOPS: Iloveoov out last in group, Nada wins
Ever 2005: Nada out 3rd in group, July wins So1: July eliminated Ro8, Anytime wins Shinhan 2005: Anytime out last in group, Iloveoov wins
Shinhan 2006-1: Oov eliminated Ro16, Casy wins Shinhan 2006-2: Casy out last in group, Nada wins Shinhan 2006-3: Nada loses the final, Savior wins
Daum: Savior loses Ro8, GGPlay wins Ever 2007: GGplay out last in group, Jaedong wins Bacchus 2007-8: Jaedong out Ro8, Flash wins
Ever 2008: Flash loses Ro8, July wins Incruit: July out last in group, Stork wins Batoo: Stork out Ro8, Jaedong wins
Bacchus 2009: Jaedong wins (first time since Boxer that we have a double champion) Ever 2009: Jaedong loses Ro8, Flash wins
Korean Air 2010-1: Flash loses final, Effort wins Korean Air 2010-2: Effort out last in group, Flash wins final Bacchus 2010: Flash out third in group, Fantasy wins
Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
It's sort of silly to say "made it out of his group in one sided affairs, except for that one match" when there are only three matches in a group.
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
It's sort of silly to say "made it out of his group in one sided affairs, except for that one match" when there are only three matches in a group.
I think we can still agree that he is quite underrated in this month's PR.
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
If nothing crazy happens till the end of the month there is no way Innovation will be #1 when he is 0-4 vs Taeja.
Taeja basically has October's rank 1 spot locked up provided he wins his WCS AM group, which is likely as he drew a grand total of 0 Koreans. No one can dispute how dominant he was at DH.
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
If nothing crazy happens till the end of the month there is no way Innovation will be #1 when he is 0-4 vs Taeja.
Head to head doesn't really matter. Innovation was 0-4 against Maru but was ranked first, three places ahead of Maru. If the month continues it's going to be close, because Innovation has alot of wins; nearly twice as much as Taeja, and against better opponents.
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
If nothing crazy happens till the end of the month there is no way Innovation will be #1 when he is 0-4 vs Taeja.
Head to head doesn't really matter. Innovation was 0-4 against Maru but was ranked first, three places ahead of Maru. If the month continues it's going to be close, because Innovation has alot of wins; nearly twice as much as Taeja, and against better opponents.
Yeah head to head doesn't matter. For a long period of time Federer was losing a lot to Nadal but was still overall the best player. I mean in something like 2008.
On September 16 2013 14:10 Jer99 wrote: Don't forget that although innovation lost to taeja in these finals, he is still top 2 in DH and is 5-0 in GSTL including an all kill, + he made it out of his group in the Ro32 in WCS KR in one sided afairs (aside from the DRG thing).
As much as I love Taeja and want to see him #1 every month, I think it's too close to call who would be #1 at the next power ranks and we definetily need to see how the rest of the month plays out, but no question in my mind that they are #1 and #2 at this time for the next PR
If nothing crazy happens till the end of the month there is no way Innovation will be #1 when he is 0-4 vs Taeja.
Head to head doesn't really matter. Innovation was 0-4 against Maru but was ranked first, three places ahead of Maru. If the month continues it's going to be close, because Innovation has alot of wins; nearly twice as much as Taeja, and against better opponents.
You have a point, Taeja has literally been dominant for 2 days: the 14th and 15th. Innovation has beaten so many good players, also players like Jaedong who Taeja has struggled to beat.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
Yes. It was known as the OSL curse. There were no repeat winners of the OSL for about 8 or so years. The exceptions came very late in BWs lifespan. Often winners were eliminated in the group stage the following season. Here's the complete list (very interesting!): + Show Spoiler +
Group = Ro16, except in 2006 where Group = Ro32, Elimination bracket started Ro8 except in 2006 where it started Ro16
Hanaro: Grrr... wins the first OSL final Freechal: Grrr... out third in group, GARIMTO wins final
Hanbitsoft: GARIMTO out before Ro16, Boxer wins final Coca-Cola: Boxer wins final Sky 2001: Boxer loses final, GARIMTO wins
Nate: GARIMTO out third in group, Sync wins Sky 2002: Sync out third in group, Reach wins Panasonic: Reach out last, Nada wins
Olympus: Nada out last, Xellos wins MyCube: Xellos out last in group, Kingdom wins NHN: Kingdom out last in group, Nal_rA wins
Gillette: Nal_rA out third in group, July wins Ever 2004: July out Ro8, Iloveoov wins IOPS: Iloveoov out last in group, Nada wins
Ever 2005: Nada out 3rd in group, July wins So1: July eliminated Ro8, Anytime wins Shinhan 2005: Anytime out last in group, Iloveoov wins
Shinhan 2006-1: Oov eliminated Ro16, Casy wins Shinhan 2006-2: Casy out last in group, Nada wins Shinhan 2006-3: Nada loses the final, Savior wins
Daum: Savior loses Ro8, GGPlay wins Ever 2007: GGplay out last in group, Jaedong wins Bacchus 2007-8: Jaedong out Ro8, Flash wins
Ever 2008: Flash loses Ro8, July wins Incruit: July out last in group, Stork wins Batoo: Stork out Ro8, Jaedong wins
Bacchus 2009: Jaedong wins (first time since Boxer that we have a double champion) Ever 2009: Jaedong loses Ro8, Flash wins
Korean Air 2010-1: Flash loses final, Effort wins Korean Air 2010-2: Effort out last in group, Flash wins final Bacchus 2010: Flash out third in group, Fantasy wins
Jin Air: Fantasy loses final, Jangbi wins
Tving: Jangbi wins the last OSL final
That is interesting. Is it mitigated by performance in the usually concurrent msl? Also when a previous champ is eliminated who is it by? If its an eventual finalist that would be relevant. I would love to see someone try to statistically measure volatility in sc2. Maybe the impression of a much greater volatility in sc2 is just pure sentimentality but it really doesnt feel like it.
On September 13 2013 09:14 samuraibael wrote: This absurd volatility is really killing my interest in sc2. Did an osl winner in bw ever get eliminated in the first round of the next one? Maybe july after beating best? But then it was a miracle that he won that osl. Without stability it feels like watching professional dice rolling.
Yes. It was known as the OSL curse. There were no repeat winners of the OSL for about 8 or so years. The exceptions came very late in BWs lifespan. Often winners were eliminated in the group stage the following season. Here's the complete list (very interesting!): + Show Spoiler +
Group = Ro16, except in 2006 where Group = Ro32, Elimination bracket started Ro8 except in 2006 where it started Ro16
Hanaro: Grrr... wins the first OSL final Freechal: Grrr... out third in group, GARIMTO wins final
Hanbitsoft: GARIMTO out before Ro16, Boxer wins final Coca-Cola: Boxer wins final Sky 2001: Boxer loses final, GARIMTO wins
Nate: GARIMTO out third in group, Sync wins Sky 2002: Sync out third in group, Reach wins Panasonic: Reach out last, Nada wins
Olympus: Nada out last, Xellos wins MyCube: Xellos out last in group, Kingdom wins NHN: Kingdom out last in group, Nal_rA wins
Gillette: Nal_rA out third in group, July wins Ever 2004: July out Ro8, Iloveoov wins IOPS: Iloveoov out last in group, Nada wins
Ever 2005: Nada out 3rd in group, July wins So1: July eliminated Ro8, Anytime wins Shinhan 2005: Anytime out last in group, Iloveoov wins
Shinhan 2006-1: Oov eliminated Ro16, Casy wins Shinhan 2006-2: Casy out last in group, Nada wins Shinhan 2006-3: Nada loses the final, Savior wins
Daum: Savior loses Ro8, GGPlay wins Ever 2007: GGplay out last in group, Jaedong wins Bacchus 2007-8: Jaedong out Ro8, Flash wins
Ever 2008: Flash loses Ro8, July wins Incruit: July out last in group, Stork wins Batoo: Stork out Ro8, Jaedong wins
Bacchus 2009: Jaedong wins (first time since Boxer that we have a double champion) Ever 2009: Jaedong loses Ro8, Flash wins
Korean Air 2010-1: Flash loses final, Effort wins Korean Air 2010-2: Effort out last in group, Flash wins final Bacchus 2010: Flash out third in group, Fantasy wins
Jin Air: Fantasy loses final, Jangbi wins
Tving: Jangbi wins the last OSL final
That is interesting. Is it mitigated by performance in the usually concurrent msl? Also when a previous champ is eliminated who is it by? If its an eventual finalist that would be relevant. I would love to see someone try to statistically measure volatility in sc2. Maybe the impression of a much greater volatility in sc2 is just pure sentimentality but it really doesnt feel like it.
The volatility is roughly the same from my estimates. Eventually I'll get around to actually looking at the retention rate between OSL/MSL in BW and GSLs in SC2.
The MSL has been traditionally more stable. Here's the MSL list for reference: + Show Spoiler +
KPGA Tour 1: Boxer wins (over Yellow) KPGA Tour 2: Boxer loses Ro8 (to Yellow) Nada wins (over Yellow) KPGA Tour 3: Nada wins (over Reach) KPGA Tour 4: Nada wins (over Chojja)
Stout: Nada loses final to Nal_ra Trigem: Nal_ra loses in Ro24 (loses to Goodfriend, Jinsu), Iloveoov wins (over Yellow) Hanafos: Iloveoov wins (over Nada)
SPRIS: Iloveoov wins (over Kingdom) You are the Golf King: Iloveoov loses Ro8 (Xellos, Xellos), Gorush wins (over Nada) UZOO: Gorush out Ro32 (JJu, Kingdom), Savior wins (over Reach)
Cyon: Savior loses final to Chojja Pringles 1: Savior wins over Nal_ra Pringles 2: Savior wins over Silver
GOMTV 1: Savior loses final to Bisu GOMTV 2: Bisu wins (over Stork) GOMTV 3: Bisue loses final to Mind
GOMTV 4: Mind loses in Ro4 (to Jaedong), Jaedong wins (over Kal) Arena: Jaedong loses final to ForGG Club Day: Forgg loses Ro16 (to Stork), Bisu wins final (over Jangbi)
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Been too long since ive seen MC mentioned in a power rank , props for mentioning Nani and plz sthap with the post stephano shit, Nani is still around and did better in GSL anyway while also winning foreign tournaments and beating top koreans.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Yes I do, though I haven't watched it to the Ro4 yet for season 3. And just because there are like 3 or 4 VERY good zerg players that can win dispite the zerg sucking, doesn't mean that zerg aren't loosing most matches overall. I don't play, I just watch, and zerg loose most of the time in tournament.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Yes I do, though I haven't watched it to the Ro4 yet for season 3. And just because there are like 3 or 4 VERY good zerg players that can win dispite the zerg sucking, doesn't mean that zerg aren't loosing most matches overall. I don't play, I just watch, and zerg loose most of the time in tournament.
It's funny how biased your writing is. if couple terran/protoss players are doing well = imbalance. but when couple zergs are doing fine = They so stronk to play bad race and still win!!!
Balance wise zergs are doing really good ZvP was a bit zerg favoured for some time now it is kinda even. ZvT, too is kinda even now even a bit zerg favoured because zerg players have learned to play against terran style. And please don't mention MMA 3-0 Nerchio and Vortix. Top tier terran player vs good, but not top tier zerg players it shouldn't be big surprise that MMA wins.
If terran player wins tournament it doesn't necessary mean game is imbalanced or some race is worse than other. Bomber winning wcs season 2 for example, He sure played really well but tbh last game against Scarlett should have gone Scarletts way if she had paid attention to minimap (she saw the scv going build barracks) if that happen we would have seen finals between JD and Scarlett/TaeJa and it might have gone waaaay different.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Yes I do, though I haven't watched it to the Ro4 yet for season 3. And just because there are like 3 or 4 VERY good zerg players that can win dispite the zerg sucking, doesn't mean that zerg aren't loosing most matches overall. I don't play, I just watch, and zerg loose most of the time in tournament.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Yes I do, though I haven't watched it to the Ro4 yet for season 3. And just because there are like 3 or 4 VERY good zerg players that can win dispite the zerg sucking, doesn't mean that zerg aren't loosing most matches overall. I don't play, I just watch, and zerg loose most of the time in tournament.
It's funny how biased your writing is. if couple terran/protoss players are doing well = imbalance. but when couple zergs are doing fine = They so stronk to play bad race and still win!!!
Balance wise zergs are doing really good ZvP was a bit zerg favoured for some time now it is kinda even. ZvT, too is kinda even now even a bit zerg favoured because zerg players have learned to play against terran style. And please don't mention MMA 3-0 Nerchio and Vortix. Top tier terran player vs good, but not top tier zerg players it shouldn't be big surprise that MMA wins.
If terran player wins tournament it doesn't necessary mean game is imbalanced or some race is worse than other. Bomber winning wcs season 2 for example, He sure played really well but tbh last game against Scarlett should have gone Scarletts way if she had paid attention to minimap (she saw the scv going build barracks) if that happen we would have seen finals between JD and Scarlett/TaeJa and it might have gone waaaay different.
One Im not baiting. And two Im not trying to be biast, not intentionaly so.
Im not complaining because I saw a (in your words) a cupple of zergs loose to terren and protoss. Im bringing it up because most zerg loose out of hundreds of games. Again yes zerg can win, and I dont care what race wins a tournament. A tournament winner is just whoever is the best player at the time, or the luckyest, or somone who was on a hot streak. Whoever wins a tournamet, its because they are the best, reguarless of race.
I dont see Bommer or MMA win and then instantly think that zerg suck. They are both very good players and deserve to win. Im talking about in general overall, across all tournaments. I just watched maybe 30 games today, mostly the stuff on MLG. And right now zerg are 2-12 vs protoss. Most of the time watching WCS either Korea, or Europ, or America, in general zerg loose most of the time. Yes again there are some great zerg players who do very well, but if you look at the recent tournaments, if there is a zerg involved and its not playing another zerg, its most likely going to loose.
On October 07 2013 01:15 Aardbark wrote: I don't disagree with the list. BUT
How many more tournaments do zerg have to get murdered in before we can see some fair changes? I watch a lot of games, almost all of them available to watch, and Im just tired of always watching zerg loose. They win some games, but so very few. I think this list kind of reflects that.
Do you watch WCS KR? Soulkey and Soo are in Ro4...
Yes I do, though I haven't watched it to the Ro4 yet for season 3. And just because there are like 3 or 4 VERY good zerg players that can win dispite the zerg sucking, doesn't mean that zerg aren't loosing most matches overall. I don't play, I just watch, and zerg loose most of the time in tournament.
It's funny how biased your writing is. if couple terran/protoss players are doing well = imbalance. but when couple zergs are doing fine = They so stronk to play bad race and still win!!!
Balance wise zergs are doing really good ZvP was a bit zerg favoured for some time now it is kinda even. ZvT, too is kinda even now even a bit zerg favoured because zerg players have learned to play against terran style. And please don't mention MMA 3-0 Nerchio and Vortix. Top tier terran player vs good, but not top tier zerg players it shouldn't be big surprise that MMA wins.
If terran player wins tournament it doesn't necessary mean game is imbalanced or some race is worse than other. Bomber winning wcs season 2 for example, He sure played really well but tbh last game against Scarlett should have gone Scarletts way if she had paid attention to minimap (she saw the scv going build barracks) if that happen we would have seen finals between JD and Scarlett/TaeJa and it might have gone waaaay different.
One Im not baiting. And two Im not trying to be biast, not intentionaly so.
Im not complaining because I saw a (in your words) a cupple of zergs loose to terren and protoss. Im bringing it up because most zerg loose out of hundreds of games. Again yes zerg can win, and I dont care what race wins a tournament. A tournament winner is just whoever is the best player at the time, or the luckyest, or somone who was on a hot streak. Whoever wins a tournamet, its because they are the best, reguarless of race.
I dont see Bommer or MMA win and then instantly think that zerg suck. They are both very good players and deserve to win. Im talking about in general overall, across all tournaments. I just watched maybe 30 games today, mostly the stuff on MLG. And right now zerg are 2-12 vs protoss. Most of the time watching WCS either Korea, or Europ, or America, in general zerg loose most of the time. Yes again there are some great zerg players who do very well, but if you look at the recent tournaments, if there is a zerg involved and its not playing another zerg, its most likely going to loose.
Did you check last balance stats ? Zerg are doing very well. Especially in korea. The lagging race for like 2 months is terran, even if they win like everything... Weird huh ?
No MLG summer and on, IEM DH and ESL are what Ive watched today. I have not watched any of WCS season 3 yet, I like to wait till its all over then watch it all at once. I don't really feel like going back to each video and making a list of the winners and loosers, I don't care that much.
And what stats are you going by, WCS points? Because if you understand how those points are distributed, its not a very reliable way of showing balance. Just like how Innovation can loose a lot of his most recent stuff, and still have almost double the points of anyone else.
Also I cant tell if your being sarcastic at the end there, but I never said terran wins everything, and I don't think they do. You don't seem to understand what Im commenting about.
I just want a game, where when I sit down to watch it, to not be able to guess who is going to win just by looking at their race. And be right most of the time. I want to see Terran, Protoss, and Zerg all win equaly. I want it to be a mystery. I don't want any race to dominate or suck.
(Also, why does the spellchecker on this website give me the spelling error for all three races of the game?)
Pretty good ranking. Taeja and Bomber have been on a tear as of late, so no surprise to see them put in the top 2 in this ranking. The only question will be if they can continue at this status. As the answer usually is, not necessarily. I'm surprised Flash isn't on there, but I guess it would make sense concerning that in the immediate past, he hasn't been thrashing as hard as usual.
On October 07 2013 05:05 Aardbark wrote: No MLG summer and on, IEM DH and ESL are what Ive watched today. I have not watched any of WCS season 3 yet, I like to wait till its all over then watch it all at once. I don't really feel like going back to each video and making a list of the winners and loosers, I don't care that much.
And what stats are you going by, WCS points? Because if you understand how those points are distributed, its not a very reliable way of showing balance. Just like how Innovation can loose a lot of his most recent stuff, and still have almost double the points of anyone else.
Also I cant tell if your being sarcastic at the end there, but I never said terran wins everything, and I don't think they do. You don't seem to understand what Im commenting about.
I just want a game, where when I sit down to watch it, to not be able to guess who is going to win just by looking at their race. And be right most of the time. I want to see Terran, Protoss, and Zerg all win equaly. I want it to be a mystery. I don't want any race to dominate or suck.
(Also, why does the spellchecker on this website give me the spelling error for all three races of the game?)
First: everyone goes by statistics on aligulac and those winrate reports, made by ChaosTerran monthly, that show that currently winrates in all MUs are withing 3% from being perfect. Second: then you may watch Dear destroy the first rounds of open bracket at MLG summer, playing against masters league zergs, balance, huh.
On October 07 2013 05:05 Aardbark wrote: No MLG summer and on, IEM DH and ESL are what Ive watched today. I have not watched any of WCS season 3 yet, I like to wait till its all over then watch it all at once. I don't really feel like going back to each video and making a list of the winners and loosers, I don't care that much.
And what stats are you going by, WCS points? Because if you understand how those points are distributed, its not a very reliable way of showing balance. Just like how Innovation can loose a lot of his most recent stuff, and still have almost double the points of anyone else.
Also I cant tell if your being sarcastic at the end there, but I never said terran wins everything, and I don't think they do. You don't seem to understand what Im commenting about.
I just want a game, where when I sit down to watch it, to not be able to guess who is going to win just by looking at their race. And be right most of the time. I want to see Terran, Protoss, and Zerg all win equaly. I want it to be a mystery. I don't want any race to dominate or suck.
(Also, why does the spellchecker on this website give me the spelling error for all three races of the game?)
On October 10 2013 02:31 Marchinko wrote: Think we should organize a protest until the next Power Rank is out.
And then everyone protesting that they need to make a power rank will immediately protest because they hate the way the rankings go.
I won't be joining that protest. You see, all this protesting gives a man a thirst. I'll be drinking an ice cold beer and reading the Power Rank instead.
New Power Rank, Make it happen: I would say: 10: Rain 9: Trap (great run in WCS) 8: MMA (winning tournament convincingly) 7: PartinG (advancing from group of death) 6: Jaedong 5: Soulkey (3-0 Rain) 4: soO (Final?) 3: Maru (Great games, well played in game 1 and 2 against Dear etc.) 2: Dear (Obvious reasons) 1: TaeJa (Not seen much since Dreamhack, but that was in September too, so...)
Bomber not in there, coz in THIS MONTH he hasn't shown anythign xD
EPT
Alliance.NaNiwa: NaNiwa played well in season 2 of WCS, even beating INnoVation 2 - 0, but not well enough to earn consideration for the top ten. The Special Mentions remains a place to give shout-outs to foreigners who have upset top Koreans (see SjoW).
EG.aLive: aLive got a bit lucky with the whole visa situation this month, but he certainly took full advantage of it. After slaying a GSL champion in Maru and getting his revenge against Scarlett, aLive just barely lost to First in the quarter-finals. Still, it was a great month for aLive, and he even got enough WCS points to virtually guarantee his spot at the eventual Blizzcon Finals. 
Acer.Scarlett: Scarlett certainly had a fabulous month, showing off her ZvT that is on par with the best in the world. That being said, she certainly rolled her best matchup a lot this month, able to almost completely dodge her self-reported weakest matchup, ZvP. As a writer, I'm quite sad I can't really objectively put her in the top ten, as in the post-Stephano era, it's probably going to be a while before another foreigner can match her feats.![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2322.jpg)
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