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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 09:38:08
August 09 2013 09:34 GMT
#1
SCII becoming less popular. By little or by much? I don't know. But you can't ignore the fact, that instead of developing we start to get at least stagnation, if not worse. I was trying to contact Blizzard for several reasons during WoL. The reasons were different. I didn't get response for my feedback even a single time. I tried to talk with stuff from Blizzard, but no success. Even special meetings which were made for such a "discussions" were just for "V" in their diaries, not for discussion. I still remeber how in august 2012 in Germany progamers gathered together and tried to discuss with David Kim infestors and their imbalance in very late game, but he simply refused to listen. During next several months after that - huge number terran/protoss players retired. Noone wants to loose just because it's almost impossible to win. Maybe, if he listened, that wouldn't happen.

So i am writing here the open letter to Blizzard. Maybe now, they will answer for at least some of those questions.

1. Do you like how Starcraft develops? What do you plan to do to remain on level with such games as Dota, World of Tanks and LoL?

2. How WCS develops SCII scene? What will you say if WCS will be having top-8 each region as koreans? How will it help to develop young talents all over the world? How in general the participation of korean players who live and practise in Korea and then come to Europe and NA for 1-2 days for playing WCS and taking money away to Korea "develops" European and NA scene of Starcraft II?

3. In continuation to previous questions. Don't you fear that WCS will simply kill small(medium) online/lan events, because noone takes care of them, since WCS is always on a screens? And if it will be happening like that, how young potential stars can develop? There won't be small cups and big cups are taken by koreans in all 3 regions? Who will invest money in youngsters then?

4. Which are your nearest plans regarding battle.net upgrades? Why during all that time you still didn't make channels, like in SC:BW, where people from 1 region appear in a channel and can easily discuss stuff with friends? Don't you feel like every person feels "forever alone" in SC2? Why person can't race pick against every race, because it doesn't like, for example, mirrors?

5. What do you think about situation, in which terran as race almost disappeared from GML league in EU and NA servers? (47 from 200 in NA, 49 from 180 in Europe). Not so long ago you said that "Protosses simply lack of good players". So what happened to terrans then?

Dear community, if you agree with me - spread this letter wherever you can, add your questions (the biggest ones i will add in my first post). Only together we can manage to reach Blizzard and make them to answer to REALLY PROBLEMATIC questions. And even if with our efforts - we won't manage to get the answer... Well that will be also an answer from Blizzard to all of us. Now we can change something to a good side. Later - who knows?
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 09 2013 09:44 GMT
#2
i agree to your post.the points here have been mentioned countless times by others and its good that progamer mentions them again.Couple of things i would like to mention

1.if blizzard treated you the way you say you did it is bad. other companies such as riot and valve have excellent relationships with their proplayers

2.regarding the wcs you are right but there will always be a vocal minority who says they want koreans and accuse you of racism otherwise.

as far as the bolden part goes I think blizzard once ignored a 200k signature petition for lan so i guess they can kindly skip this one.And even if they take it into consideration we may never know because blizzard employees do not communicate like riot employees on the forums.
cheeseheadlogic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States322 Posts
August 09 2013 09:47 GMT
#3
Хорошый вопросы!

Не знаю чувак, вроде сейчас близзарду пофиг T_T

User was warned for this post
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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 09:53:53
August 09 2013 09:50 GMT
#4
On August 09 2013 18:44 theking1 wrote:

2.regarding the wcs you are right but there will always be a vocal minority who says they want koreans and accuse you of racism otherwise.


In the majority of football leagues (i don't know about other games) there is a rule, that team has to have players from the country it plays in. For example in Ukraine, from 11 players - 4 have to be ukrainians. In Italy, Spain - only several players can be non-EU, in England you can receive permit for work, only if you got big percentage of games for your national football team, e.t.c. So you can play, if you for example korean, but slots are limited.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 09 2013 09:53 GMT
#5
This is just sad and yet again more fuel to the fire that the top heads on SC2 are stubborn know-it-alls.
The curse is real
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3318 Posts
August 09 2013 09:58 GMT
#6
Not sure what your aim here is.
Questions like this are asked daily on bnet forums to no avail.
WCS rules are committed to paper and won't change this year and neither will anything about terran.
Rest of the questions will at best produce a generic 'calm down/all is fine' post.
evaniss
Profile Joined May 2013
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 10:02:36
August 09 2013 09:58 GMT
#7
Constantly comes these questions and discussions, and There was no right answers
i think these question is also same as before that

and you can get answers for some of your questions from one of episode of State of The Game show that hosted by JP
i can't remember which espisode is... but one of Blizzard staff was discussed and answered around the WCS and develops SCII scene.
i like to see BW units in SC2
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 09:58:58
August 09 2013 09:58 GMT
#8
Well, I've started learning Dota
Age of Mythology forever!
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 09 2013 10:00 GMT
#9
Strelok, you should participate in some show like SOTG or Inside Of The Game, and give your insights. If you, progamers, group up and right a real letter maybe blizzard will start listening. Its better if you write it directly to Blizzard's CEO.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 09 2013 10:02 GMT
#10
On August 09 2013 18:50 Strelok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 18:44 theking1 wrote:

2.regarding the wcs you are right but there will always be a vocal minority who says they want koreans and accuse you of racism otherwise.


In the majority of football leagues (i don't know about other games) there is a rule, that team has to have players from the country it plays in. For example in Ukraine, from 11 players - 4 have to be ukrainians. In Italy, Spain - only several players can be non-EU, in England you can receive permit for work, only if you got big percentage of games for your national football team, e.t.c. So you can play, if you for example korean, but slots are limited.


i know.it is the same in romania.i gave this example a couple of times here on tl and i was replied that this is esports not football.even when i gave them the example of riot with the lcs they said sc2 isnt lol.
BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
August 09 2013 10:04 GMT
#11
Blizzard are too brazen, too bravado and they have this delusion that they are still the best and screw everybody, they don't know shit.

They've forgotten that they need to compete and compete against better companies these days like Valve and Riot and others, they still think this is 10 years ago where absolutely everyone adored Blizzard, but they are not, with the pay to play WOW, with no LAN for SC2, with the restricted regions for SC2 for so long, with the always online requirement for Diablo 3, with the terrible story telling in their new games, to some of the voice acting decisions like to change Kerrigan's original voice actor, to not listening to the fans, they are very much disliked.

They are so out of reality, they are so out of touch and unless they wake up and realize what a bunch of pricks they've become, its going to go downhill for them.

I mean the community can always change games, can always come up with better games than Blizzard like it did with Dota and like it did with tower defenses and other types of maps.
ErrantKnight
Profile Joined November 2012
Switzerland186 Posts
August 09 2013 10:07 GMT
#12
I agree on the big lines but for everything concerning current balance, I think it's still too early to say anything, I think the fact we have that many protoss is also due to the fact that protoss new units and abilities are easier to master than terran or Zerg new units and abilities. I think we still need to wait at least a month to speak about imbalance.
WCS is clearly not as good as the International or LCS (from what I'm told, I don't watch any of those).
I think a good idea for Koreans that want to play in other regions would be to hold a qualifier with only Koreans for each region with limited number of spots.
"Quantity is quality by itself"
Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
August 09 2013 10:08 GMT
#13
On August 09 2013 19:00 saddaromma wrote:
Strelok, you should participate in some show like SOTG or Inside Of The Game, and give your insights. If you, progamers, group up and right a real letter maybe blizzard will start listening. Its better if you write it directly to Blizzard's CEO.


I already pointed out, that Blizzard doesn't talk with progamers. Not only me.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 09 2013 10:09 GMT
#14
I don't know where all the 'SC2 is declining' is coming from. SC2 is doing stable and for example WCS Season 2 so far is more successful then WCS Season 1 on all three fronts. The other games are rising quicker, yes, but DotA is at best tied with SC2 at any single day (yes, they do have The International that is blowing everything out of the water, but they also don't have big tournaments like Dreamhack and league like WCS at all). And LoL is obviously more popular, which is a result of much higher player base and Riot putting millions of dollars into it. I don't think SC2 is doing bad at all, to be honest...
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Strelok
Profile Joined January 2006
Ukraine320 Posts
August 09 2013 10:09 GMT
#15
On August 09 2013 19:07 ErrantKnight wrote:
I think a good idea for Koreans that want to play in other regions would be to hold a qualifier with only Koreans for each region with limited number of spots.


Very good idea
Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
August 09 2013 10:19 GMT
#16
it's the same as diablo 3, they don't want to listen to anyone's opinions but their own even while claiming otherwise. I honestly think the game needs major design changes (dont get me wrong I love sc2) and has needed them since the beginning.
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#17
if i look at WCS, EU seems to kind of have worked out (for now), NA on the other hand is a disaster for the local players, fans and scene no matter how you look at it, they need to make adjustments, be it by increasing the offline portion, or elsewhere, and dont forget china only because 2 visa worked out THIS time...

Balancewise, they had so much plans for HotS, and now we are sitting here with very limited playstyles for terran again, which dissappoints me greatly.

These are not so much questions i know, but simple observations, i really do think HotS was very good, but i don't like that Blizzard have already put their balance tools away and just turn a knob here and there, already very satisfied with what they have done.
Soundwave12
Profile Joined February 2012
Belgium14 Posts
August 09 2013 10:20 GMT
#18
sadly enough it's time for blizzard to take a long look in the mirror and start listening to their player base. It's not only SCII that's on a decline. Almost all their products are. WoW has been going down steadily for years now, dota is simply beeing blown away by lol, diablo 3 is a mere shadow of it's predecessors. And there is one thing all these games appear to have in common, blizzard stubbornly refuses to listen to their community
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
August 09 2013 10:23 GMT
#19
1. I watch sc2 since first sc2 tournament (IEM Cologne, Morrow won vs IdrA) and I really dislike sc2 develop since IEM. From time to time player will play better (even if we still play with patch 1.0), but the main problem is "the better the qualitiy of the game, the more boring they are to watch". This is a gamedesign problem of sc2. Diablo3 is a perfect example, yeah kill azmodan within 10sec in pm10 with stupid ww barbarian or cm wizard, because he has the items (from the best quality)

2. I really dislike it, they downgraded all other weekend-tournament so much. We need more weekend tounaments without wcs points. WCS should be alone with wcs points for their wcs stuff (season finals, blizzard finals), I hope this happens in 2014.

3. As I said in 2.

4. In my opinion Blizzard killed to much, they can't recover.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
crappyleft
Profile Joined April 2010
99 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 10:38:20
August 09 2013 10:24 GMT
#20
On August 09 2013 18:34 Strelok wrote:
5. What do you think about situation, in which terran as race almost disappeared from GML league in EU and NA servers? (47 from 200 in NA, 49 from 180 in Europe). Not so long ago you said that "Protosses simply lack of good players". So what happened to terrans then?



What are you on about, where you pulling those numbers from?

http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/eu/1v1/all/terran - 69 T GM EU

http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/am/1v1/all/terran - 75 T GM US

http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/fea/1v1/all/terran - 68 T GM KR

The average should be 66.6 players from each race excluding random players.

If anything terran players are slightly over represented in the GM league.

EDIT: ok as others pointed out sc2ranks numbers are off, i'll show myself out
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