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WCS Europe S2 Final eight brackets determined - Page 3

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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 09 2013 01:48 GMT
#41
Rooting for Vortix & MMA :D
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Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
August 09 2013 01:50 GMT
#42
People are sleeping on duckdeok. He did take out Lucifon who imo is the best in Europe. I predict MMA vs Duckdeok in the finals.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
August 09 2013 01:51 GMT
#43
Hope MMA or Grubby destroys.
"Right on" - Morrow
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 09 2013 01:51 GMT
#44
fuuuuuck duckduck got naniwa
thats the one guy i didnt want him to play
#TheOneTrueDong
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1000 Posts
August 09 2013 01:51 GMT
#45
I really hope that MMA and Vortix are in the finals.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 01:52:54
August 09 2013 01:52 GMT
#46
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
VortiX 28.07% 19.26% 26.42% 26.25%
NaNiwa 21.26% 13.13% 37.15% 28.46%
MMA 19.68% 16.44% 21.82% 42.05%
Welmu 11.69% 16.93% 35.43% 35.96%
HasuObs 6.67% 11.75% 23.64% 57.95%
MC 6.26% 10.57% 19.12% 64.04%
duckdeok 3.95% 6.26% 18.24% 71.54%
Grubby 2.40% 5.67% 18.18% 73.75%
Median Outcome Bracket
     HasuObs 2 ┐ 
├───────── MMA 3 ┐
MMA 3 ┘ │
├───────── MMA 4 ┐
Welmu 3 ┐ │ │
├─────── Welmu 2 ┘ │
MC 2 ┘ │
├─ MMA
NaNiwa 3 ┐ │
├────── NaNiwa 2 ┐ │
duckdeok 1 ┘ │ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
VortiX 3 ┐ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
Grubby 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

lol Aligulac calling for the TvZ
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Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
August 09 2013 01:52 GMT
#47
Guys, you're asking MMA to be consistently good at TvP. We know this isn't happening, it hasn't been happening for two years now.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
August 09 2013 01:54 GMT
#48
Naniwa has historically had difficulty against Zerg, so I don't see him necessarily getting past Vortix so easily. I would love to see Grubby in the finals though. MMA or MC will likely take WCS Europe.
discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
August 09 2013 01:55 GMT
#49
go Hasu!
;;
DeathDyingDoomKiller
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada91 Posts
August 09 2013 02:00 GMT
#50
wtf no 7 Toss and Zerg and Terran so imba!!!
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Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
August 09 2013 02:00 GMT
#51
honestly i dont see mma winning two tvp's

not even vs foreigners
F.O.A.D.
Profile Joined July 2013
Canada100 Posts
August 09 2013 02:02 GMT
#52
On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 09:10 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
MMA 3-2 Hasu
MC 3-1 Welmu
NaNiwa 3-1 duckdeok
VortiX 3-0 Grubby

MMA 3-2 MC
NaNiwa 3-2 VortiX

NaNiwa 4-1 MMA

Just maybe? :o


Protoss never wins anything silly.

are you really going to whine when you have 6 of the top 8 being protoss?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12534 Posts
August 09 2013 02:03 GMT
#53
On August 09 2013 10:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
VortiX 28.07% 19.26% 26.42% 26.25%
NaNiwa 21.26% 13.13% 37.15% 28.46%
MMA 19.68% 16.44% 21.82% 42.05%
Welmu 11.69% 16.93% 35.43% 35.96%
HasuObs 6.67% 11.75% 23.64% 57.95%
MC 6.26% 10.57% 19.12% 64.04%
duckdeok 3.95% 6.26% 18.24% 71.54%
Grubby 2.40% 5.67% 18.18% 73.75%
Median Outcome Bracket
     HasuObs 2 ┐ 
├───────── MMA 3 ┐
MMA 3 ┘ │
├───────── MMA 4 ┐
Welmu 3 ┐ │ │
├─────── Welmu 2 ┘ │
MC 2 ┘ │
├─ MMA
NaNiwa 3 ┐ │
├────── NaNiwa 2 ┐ │
duckdeok 1 ┘ │ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
VortiX 3 ┐ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
Grubby 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

lol Aligulac calling for the TvZ


If Vortix has 28% to win, how come MMA beats him in the finals? I don't get it (I'm dumb, use small words)
No will to live, no wish to die
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 02:12:08
August 09 2013 02:05 GMT
#54
On August 09 2013 11:03 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 10:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    
------------------------------------------------------
VortiX 28.07% 19.26% 26.42% 26.25%
NaNiwa 21.26% 13.13% 37.15% 28.46%
MMA 19.68% 16.44% 21.82% 42.05%
Welmu 11.69% 16.93% 35.43% 35.96%
HasuObs 6.67% 11.75% 23.64% 57.95%
MC 6.26% 10.57% 19.12% 64.04%
duckdeok 3.95% 6.26% 18.24% 71.54%
Grubby 2.40% 5.67% 18.18% 73.75%
Median Outcome Bracket
     HasuObs 2 ┐ 
├───────── MMA 3 ┐
MMA 3 ┘ │
├───────── MMA 4 ┐
Welmu 3 ┐ │ │
├─────── Welmu 2 ┘ │
MC 2 ┘ │
├─ MMA
NaNiwa 3 ┐ │
├────── NaNiwa 2 ┐ │
duckdeok 1 ┘ │ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
VortiX 3 ┐ │
├────── VortiX 3 ┘
Grubby 1 ┘

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

lol Aligulac calling for the TvZ


If Vortix has 28% to win, how come MMA beats him in the finals? I don't get it (I'm dumb, use small words)

it's because vortix is more heavily favored against the other possible finals outcomes than MMA since Vortix's highest rated matchup atm is ZvP. The bracket is just showing the median outcome

Vortix is 65% favored or higher vs any of the protoss that he might face in the finals so Aligulac says if he gets anyone but MMA in the finals he will probably win. MMA should make the finals according to the prediction but there's a chance he could not because of his weaker rated TvP. He's also not as heavily favored against everyone on the other side of the bracket (or even favored at all. someone like Naniwa would be favored vs MMA)

does that make sense?
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Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 09 2013 02:05 GMT
#55
On August 09 2013 11:02 F.O.A.D. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 09:13 ratty wrote:
On August 09 2013 09:10 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
MMA 3-2 Hasu
MC 3-1 Welmu
NaNiwa 3-1 duckdeok
VortiX 3-0 Grubby

MMA 3-2 MC
NaNiwa 3-2 VortiX

NaNiwa 4-1 MMA

Just maybe? :o


Protoss never wins anything silly.

are you really going to whine when you have 6 of the top 8 being protoss?

its not whine, its just a rule of the universe. Protoss will not win at least not at the hand of my terran brothers.
Sc2 always got your back
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
August 09 2013 02:07 GMT
#56
even with 6 protoss i think its gonna be tvz finals
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Abstinence
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States328 Posts
August 09 2013 02:07 GMT
#57
i could see mma/naniwa finals. i would like that
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
August 09 2013 02:12 GMT
#58
Plis MMA vs Grubby. That way, idc who wins LOL
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thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 09 2013 02:14 GMT
#59
oh i know this game - 'how many foreigner protoss does it take to beat a korean terran'
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 09 2013 02:18 GMT
#60
i can see hasu beating mma since mma's TvP looked very lackluster in the RO16.

im calling...

Hasu def. MMA 3-1
NaNiwa def. Finale 3-1
Welmu def. MC 3-2
Vortix def. Grubby 3-1

Hasu def. Welmu 3-2
NaNiwa def. Vortix 3-1

NaNiwa def. Hasu 3-0
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