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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 09:09:14
August 04 2013 09:08 GMT
#161
I tired to stick to community streams but from what I've seen I hope this was the last we've seen of this duo.
Idra hasn't changed his casting a single bit and still sounds like unemotional robot.
I'm sure he brings his fanbase to the stream but viewer numbers looked poor anyway so maybe we can have a half-decent caster next time.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
August 04 2013 09:10 GMT
#162
I'd probably go for Artosis + either Khaldor or Wolf, personally.
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 09:15:03
August 04 2013 09:12 GMT
#163
Had to vote tastetosis, the dry humor and irony of artosis in combination with the sometimes dumb remarks of tasteless is just briliant.
Also realy did like idra/khaldor as a caster duo, idra can be realy nice and funny when he doesnt act like a jerk and he has alot of insight in the game.
invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
August 04 2013 09:14 GMT
#164
I really enjoy the casting except the fact that half of the time on camera, Idra shows zero emotion :|
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Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 04 2013 09:14 GMT
#165
On August 04 2013 18:14 invisible.terran wrote:
I really enjoy the casting except the fact that half of the time on camera, Idra shows zero emotion :|

Yeah, he's making the "FLASH NO CARE"-face all the time.
sja
Profile Joined August 2011
France9 Posts
August 04 2013 09:18 GMT
#166
Please make idra+khaldor replace apollo+x everywhere they can ! I can't stand this british boy and his silly calls anymore...
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 09:21:49
August 04 2013 09:19 GMT
#167
I think Tastosis are still better, but not by much. TBH I would love to see Tastosis and Khaldra get mixed.

On August 04 2013 18:18 sja wrote:
Please make idra+khaldor replace apollo+x everywhere they can ! I can't stand this british boy and his silly calls anymore...


He is pretty frequently right though.
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
August 04 2013 09:25 GMT
#168
On August 04 2013 18:00 Brian333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 17:12 TRaFFiC wrote:
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote:
They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.

Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.)
Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor)
And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.

Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.

Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.

Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.

There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.


Revival and Polt are not "top level koreans." Top level Koreans are the likes of Innovation, Flash, Soulkey, Life, Rain, sOs, etc. Also, getting 4-0'd out of the group stage doesn't really help much, anyways. And, that was almost 3 months ago. Take any pro-gamer out of their practice environment for 3 months and see how much they regress vs. the rest of the still-active and rapidly changing scene.

I'm not the one that is exaggerating here. Am I wrong to say that Idra is no longer a pro-gamer? So, why should we consider his opinion on that level? That's all I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.


Revival and Polt aren't top level Koreans? LOL Both of them won tournaments recently. You're quite the elitist.

I guess according to you, if they aren't top 5 in the world, they are shit.

Truth of the matter is, it doesn't make any difference to the audience whether they are top 200 gm or top 5. 99.999 % of people who watch sc2 couldn't tell the difference.
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remember87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden144 Posts
August 04 2013 09:31 GMT
#169
On August 04 2013 15:37 Kurbz wrote:
I'll be honest and say I loved the analytical casting of idra, gotta work on the monotone a bit but other then that really enjoyed his casting. Hope I can see more soon :D Oh and the slight imba whines or whatever people think they were, are actually entertaining for me. Personalized touches and opinions I find are great, you don't have to be COMPLETELY impartial when casting a match.

I totally agree.

Also, even though I really enjoyed idra+khaldor, I would LOVE to see idra+apollo! Those two personalities could make the best casting duo imo.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 09:41:36
August 04 2013 09:34 GMT
#170
On August 04 2013 12:19 Plansix wrote:
Dry humor is the best humor. Idra was always like this, but we never got to see it. Also, we never got to hear him say "Good forcefields"
Well, i heard him say that one pair of forcefields cut an army in half. Just after that like 10 hydras got caught in other force fields, after which he said they were caught very efficiently by so few force fields.

That's close enough to me.^^

but on them as a casting duo, it was better then i thought it'd be. I hope they keep up the good work
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
August 04 2013 09:43 GMT
#171
I also enjoyed the casting duo KhaldrA, especially for their first time casting together (and there is still a lot of room for improvement). Though, I don´t think they´re the best yet, but definitely one of the best. Tastosis is still the best imo.

I particularly liked the honesty of IdrA during the casts. He says it the way it is (e. g. who the better player is or which mistake led to the loss of one particular player).
Although, when LiveZerg played Taeja in the group stage, IdrA mentioned before the game that he has some bad memories about LiveZerg to whom he lost some months or even years ago (I don´t remember it exactly). Then as the match progresses he kinda "bashed" LiveZerg for making a few mistakes. In one fight, IdrA criticised the army conrol of LiveZerg and repeatedly stressed it. He has to avoid these things and to stop being biased.

Nontheless the casting was excellent, despite sometimes Idra made a weird stare into the camera which gave me the creeps :D
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 04 2013 09:47 GMT
#172
its nice YES but its not close to tastetosis
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Luisa_2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 09:51:59
August 04 2013 09:50 GMT
#173
Khaldor is just a no-go, I'm sry but that's how it is. I can't stand his casting and he was constantly shouting over Idra yesterday btw.
I appreciate how much work Khaldor puts into this community but his casting just isn't good. Overexcitement for situations, boring phrases all over and over (I guess that goes with a lot of casters), he used to missjudge a lot and still does( it got a LOT better tho) and he tends to have som biased for matches.

Btw, Wolf doesn't get enough recognition for how much of a good caster he is. Let Wolf cast more with people and you will see how much superior he is to most of the casters
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 04 2013 09:53 GMT
#174
On August 04 2013 18:12 Rassy wrote:
Had to vote tastetosis, the dry humor and irony of artosis in combination with the sometimes dumb remarks of tasteless is just briliant.
Also realy did like idra/khaldor as a caster duo, idra can be realy nice and funny when he doesnt act like a jerk and he has alot of insight in the game.

Idra got Artosis beat in dry humor by a mile though.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 10:15:28
August 04 2013 10:09 GMT
#175
This is entirely subjective. I can't stand Khaldor purely based on his personality off screen and his casting isn't up to much either. He just ignores a lot of the things going on so he can talk about what he thinks people need to hear. Idra is good purely for his knowledge but sometimes his bias can come in a bit too much.

I personally think the best casting duo is Apollo and Kaelaris followed by Apollo and Day9 and Apollo and iNcontrol when he casts.
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Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
August 04 2013 10:13 GMT
#176
Idra is not bad but lacks casting personality+sometimes he mumbles.He can get better but probably will never get as good as top casters.
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green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
August 04 2013 10:17 GMT
#177
Looks like it is time for a grubby + idra cast
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
August 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#178
I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
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Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
August 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#179
On August 04 2013 19:09 Qikz wrote:
This is entirely subjective. I can't stand Khaldor purely based on his personality off screen and his casting isn't up to much either. He just ignores a lot of the things going on so he can talk about what he thinks people need to hear.

I have to agree. He just ignores stuff that he doesnt want to talk about. That mostly destroys any synnergy with the other caster. He is very dominant and some time ago he used to make his cocaster look bad. Dunno if it changed much but his huge ego is a something that makes him stagnate in his progress in getting better in my opinion.

It just somtetimes feels like he is throwing stones into the gear. Thats ok with Wolf since Wolf seems to be going with this and doesnt bring stuff Khaldor doesnt want to talk about.

Also IdrA & Khalldor often retold the same thing 3 times in a row which i found kind of funny. Their casting style is very analytic and similar so they tell the story more than once after each game/situation.

Id like to see IdrA with some more ppl since his casting really felt fresh. He has some kind of humor and is trying to improve which you can hear during the cast. He makes some bad calls but thats something he can work on.

Overall it was ok but far from best. Which you cant even say when they cast only once together., You need to work together more often.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 10:20:06
August 04 2013 10:18 GMT
#180
On August 04 2013 18:18 sja wrote:
Please make idra+khaldor replace apollo+x everywhere they can ! I can't stand this british boy and his silly calls anymore...

Silly calls? He's one of the most knowledgeable casters and is right like most of the time, rarely is he ever wrong o_O

On August 04 2013 19:13 Liman wrote:
Idra is not bad but lacks casting personality+sometimes he mumbles.He can get better but probably will never get as good as top casters.

He's already a top caster just by knowledge alone imo at least. Some people look for other things when they try to find a caster they enjoy, whether that's knowledge about the game etc
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