On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
but on an equally real note, letting the analyst talk then letting the play by play talk is a large part in why other combos fail. its not idras depth that just makes him good, its his willingness to take turns with his co caster. you cant all speak at the same time
id say idra is the better of the 2 in terms of bringing to the table, but khaldor wasnt my fav caster till today, he did a REAL good job
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
is this fair to say? i believe so
what?
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
Everyone has bias whether it's for a race, their favorite players or whatever else it may be.
On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote: They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.
Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.) Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor) And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.
Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.
Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.
Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.
There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.
Revival and Polt are not "top level koreans." Top level Koreans are the likes of Innovation, Flash, Soulkey, Life, Rain, sOs, etc. .
So in your mind the winners of IEM Shanghai and MLG Anaheim aren't top level koreans?
On August 04 2013 19:18 Liquid`Ret wrote: I loved these two, Khaldor really let Idra do the analytical casting and they were funny together and just worked well together! I think WCS NA should def. get Idra as a regular caster, it really improves the watching experience if the casters actually know what they are talking about.........
so we are in agreement. if you enjoyed idra you are prob high masters to pro level, if you like artosis and tasteless you 1 base and are in silver
On August 04 2013 17:48 one-one-one wrote: Are you kidding?
idrA has good game sense but is very biased. This side of him needs to be balanced out by his co-caster.
Unfortunately Khaldor shares the same anti-terran bias, especially when casting TvZ, but also in TvP. idrA was always very fast to point out that T has mules, but always forgot to mention that P can chronoboost probes. idrA might get away with it, because he is what he is, but Khaldor doesn't.
They are not completely doomed as a duo because of this, but they have stuff to work...
I liked them. Idra has the skills, the only thing he lacks is polish and perhaps a certain amount of enthusiasm. Khaldor is just fucking dreamy, so there's no complaints there.
And anything that doesn't have TotalBiscuit involved works for me.
i too thought it was the best it had way less goof attached than that of TB, tasteosis (although artosis when not with tastelss is pretty good) and day9. i kinda liked wheat though before this sc2 train started going and he wasnt as elitist as he sounds right now, but yea, idra/khal very good although i think an idra wheat might be good
IdrA did a good job casting at Asus ROG. He especially does a good job pointing out the descisive moments of a game, and gives credit to the truly skilled plays instead of standard or lucky ones.
His perspective is that of a dedicated Zerg player, and he doesn't even try to hide this. It is a potential weakness compared to, say, Day9 or Apollo, who treat each race objectively.
That being said, IdrA possibly has the most progaming experience of all foreigners, and certainly of all casters. His style as a player was not particularly individualistic, but rather about following the metagame and perfecting builds. All that really shows in his fast and accurate analysis.
I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
Though I was surprised - in a good way - by their cast at ASUS RoG, I believe that they have a lot to work on. Khaldor is an OK caster, but IdrA can be a complete turnoff. He is so obviously biased towards Zerg and Korean players that it becomes annoying.
IMO any duo with Apollo or Day9 is much better. Both have rock-solid analyses to offer as well as enjoyable personalities.
I feel like Tastosis have been falling behind lately, but they're still great entertainers.
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
So is it okay if I say that I didn't like it? I didn't watch a lot, maybe 6h total but they didn't grow on me and Idras monotone voice wasn't getting me hyped =/ Khaldor can sure fire off but when he then hands it over to Idra it falls flat and it almost got me annoyed at times...
TvZ isn't this combos strong side and it imo hurt those matches a lot.
But hey you can't have everyone mindlessly like you
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
On August 04 2013 19:50 Syn Harvest wrote: I loved Idra's casting this weekend can't wait for him to become more prolific in the casting world. He really should cast WCS America. It would make it so much better because currently the casters are very lack luster, especially gretorp.
Idra/Khaldor combo is very awesome. Looking forward to seeing it more often.
On August 04 2013 19:40 Gr33n wrote: now if only semmler wasnt making everything akward...
Ya what was up with that every interview he gave was so bizarre. The entire situation when Semmler was involved was so uncomfortable feeling. I don't know what it was that was making it feel that way but I didn't like any of the interviews.
u ever watch the 2GD show? he ruins that entire show they make fun of him constantly. for good reason but ye semmler ruins things
Did you just create a thread so you could praise and bash whoever you want? That's pretty silly...
eh its harsh critique but i "dislike him" the rest of the tourny was great
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