hes casted before and he sucked then. this asus rog cast was the most enjoyable cast, and i have seen every single cast of every tourny (for me it was preferable)

things i value....

- acting like a professional (they are not super professional but more so then others)
- knowledge but more importantly putting that knowledge into form where i dont have to try hard to understand and i can just enjoy the show.
- roles, i dont feel there is a need to talk over anyone. if there is dead air (first 8mins) idra is probably talking about what he thinks might happen, how it will happen, why it should or should not happen and then khaldor chimes in some details but never takes over as the analyst and certainly doesnt talk over him. during action khaldor talks and idra waits for the end of the fight to analyze what happened and give us maybe deeper insight into what khaldor just described in the more broad hyped sense

arent u his friend lol did u not enjoy it?

habeck

1120 Posts

August 04 2013 07:35 GMT

#123

Good casting duo, i liked it, would watch it over any other casting duo

n0ave

180 Posts

August 04 2013 07:36 GMT

#124

On August 04 2013 12:16 biteMe wrote:
khaldor is speaking very slowly. especially when he raises his voice to make things look exciting he sounds like a disabled person.

I agree, every time he starts speaking at a slower pace, Khaldor becomes annoying.
Idra has notoriety, but he should start playing more Terran and Protoss and hopefully he won't be so biased towards Zerg...

Overall an average or below average casting duo.

Big-t

Austria1350 Posts

August 04 2013 07:43 GMT

#125

Very good casting duo. Not the best, but calm and they mostly talk about well thought out stuff. Would like to see them again.

shin_toss

Philippines2589 Posts

August 04 2013 07:43 GMT

#126

Where is Apollo on the poll???

GodOfWarAReS

Germany105 Posts

August 04 2013 07:43 GMT

#127

i really have to say that i enjoyed it quite alot =P khaldor is a very nice guy and idra is... idra^^
the show was very funny and educational. you never had the feeling that one of them doesnt really understand the game. of course IdrA has the better gameknowledge but Khaldor didnt make mistakes either. its not like when you hear tastosis... while artosis gives the community a very analytic view on the game, tasteless just randomly throws in the most obvious things in the world or makes some really really weird comments.

10/10 Khaldor and IdrA!

TRaFFiC

Canada1448 Posts

August 04 2013 07:45 GMT

#128

For me, it was Idra who was the star of the show. I wouldn't expect any less from a top 10 gm player. But what surprised me was his willingness to learn the other races, especially considering his past history. He has clearly done his homework. I hope it continues in the future.

A lot of other casters, even pro level, don't do their homework on other races. As a Terran player, it gets frustrating because everyone and their mother and brothers plays protoss.

Frex

Finland888 Posts

August 04 2013 07:49 GMT

#129

Khaldor the prince and Idra the princess.

Gr33n

Bahamas113 Posts

August 04 2013 07:50 GMT

#130

On August 04 2013 16:45 TRaFFiC wrote:
For me, it was Idra who was the star of the show. I wouldn't expect any less from a top 10 gm player. But what surprised me was his willingness to learn the other races, especially considering his past history. He has clearly done his homework. I hope it continues in the future.

A lot of other casters, even pro level, don't do their homework on other races. As a Terran player, it gets frustrating because everyone and their mother and brothers plays protoss.

he aint top 10 gm anymore lol too much anger

TheBloodyDwarf

Finland7524 Posts

August 04 2013 07:51 GMT

#131

I have never liked Tastosis(or what ever it s), and I have never watched gsl. For me Apollo is the best caster. But I have to say that idra knew so much about game when there was zerg playing.

_fool

Netherlands682 Posts

August 04 2013 07:54 GMT

#132

I never was an IdrA fan when he was a player. But this role suits him perfectly. He has the knowledge and authority to talk about the game. Khaldor knows when to troll IdrA, when to hype. So job well done.

dohgg

310 Posts

August 04 2013 07:59 GMT

#133

Khaldor : "Sick abduct!!!"
Idra : "He just clicked the unit..."

JacobShock

Denmark2485 Posts

August 04 2013 08:00 GMT

#134

I really really like them. I have almost nothing negative to say. Maybe one thing, but It is to be expected. They might be a bit too negative minded, they seem way more likely to bash players, than to praise them. Pointing out what the player did wrong and how bad it was, compared to how good their opponent actually played, there is a time and a place for both, but if you lean in one direction too much it might actually be bad for the players and the scene, cause fans might adopt the view and start calling players who are pretty good, shit, which is already happening all the time.But again, it is Idra and he will be Idra lol. So the cast is going to be a bit more critical and negative. Overall though, I really loved the casting duo. Sometimes Khaldor says something wrong, like blurting out bad injects and no larva, when the player just made 72 lings. Mistakes happen though.

RandomPlayer

Russian Federation400 Posts

August 04 2013 08:03 GMT

#135

this is so wrong, they are definately not the best. far not! I didnt enjoy them much. appolo, day9, tastosis better

virpi

Germany3599 Posts

August 04 2013 08:04 GMT

#136

They function very well as a duo. Idra cools down Khaldor a little bit, which is nice, because Khaldor has a tendency to go too much into the "drama" direction. My favourite duo still is Artosis/Apollo, but Khaldor/Idra would belong to my top 3.

Brian333

657 Posts

August 04 2013 08:06 GMT

#137

They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.

Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.)
Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor)
And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.

Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.

Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.

Fleshcut

Germany592 Posts

August 04 2013 08:08 GMT

#138

I really enjoyed Khaldor and Idra and I think they range within the top 3 tier of caster duos now simply because Idra still makes some nasty comments about other players while Khaldor teases him xD
Day9/Husky, Tastosis and Khaldor/Idra are the best at the moment.

imJealous

United States1382 Posts

August 04 2013 08:10 GMT

#139

Apollo + Anyone is better than Anyone - Apollo

TRaFFiC

Canada1448 Posts

August 04 2013 08:12 GMT

#140

On August 04 2013 17:06 Brian333 wrote:
They casted one event... If we're going to use that to qualify a casting duo, there are a lot of casting duos that are better.

Artosis + any number of the people he has casted with (Tasteless, Apollo, Wolf, etc.)
Wolf + any number of the people he has casted with (Whiplash, Artosis, Khaldor)
And, I personally enjoyed Bitterdam more.

Khaldor obviously still has a little accent to his casting. It's not a big deal, but it's still there. He still makes incorrect calls / exaggerates how far ahead / behind a player is and goes overboard bashing players when it's not deserved / a big deal. And, he still makes it hard to take his casting as seriously when he trolls / responds to trolls / holds questionable opinions / biases as much as he currently does.

Idra is a better analyst but he hasn't been a top player in a long time so people should stop pretending that he has the opinions of one or the same intricate understandings of the current meta-game. When you leave that profession because you can't cut it anymore, you can't claim its benefits while not dealing with its burdens. He has way too many biases in his casting and as per his happy birthday Starcraft persona, lacks any and all enthusiasm that is vital to being a good caster. It's just like way back when he casted the GSL. His presentation is lacking.

Idra was playing top level koreans in WCS NA and top of the NA ladder like 1-2 months ago. You don't just lose that kind of talent overnight. And don't give me this bullshit that NA ladder is full of nubs. We're in NA. That's the ladder we play on.

There is a long history of ex players moving to commentary roles in sports. Seems like a natural transition after playing bw and sc2 for years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of his personality, but bashing his ability to call games is just stupid.