On November 25 2013 19:16 SC2Toastie wrote: Why not? Does being broadcasted by a corporation that wants to earn money make the game less good? Being available for free to everybody is not a requirement for a great game.
Also, Scarlet v Bomber RedBull Battlegrounds NYC Game 3 is probably the most excellent, nailbiting low econ ZvT in a long time; I think they went from minutes 25 to 40 both under a hundred supply.
I agree, it's still a good game, no matter if behind a pay wall.
And here's VoD link for Scarlett vs Bomber game 3:
I'm 2nding this. That was a crazy game. I was sure bomber was going to take it easily at every step of the game but scarlett some how managed to push back every time. The end was a big surprise (or maybe two).
edit- the only thing that bugged me about the game is how when bomber moved out onto the 3rd (below the cliff) and scarlett began running slow banes towards the drop, she pulled back away from the 2 leftover marines up there when if she put them up to the edge and they exploded, they would actually splash the pile below.
On November 24 2013 10:41 SirPinky wrote: Goody skype me this link: Hyung vs GoOdy. I wish the Panzer general got more notority in the community for not only being a fantastic mech player but having good decision making. 1hr + game on Akilon.
Enjoy
Sometimes it bothers me when people call themselves pros. He made a total of like 3 vipers and never built anymore. Abduct, blinding cloud, running locusts into tanks for splash, not taking closest bases to terran first, not trying to drop lings or whatever enough. So much fail.
HyuN has won almost 100k playing Starcraft II, of course he's a pro. He won 14 Bo9 in IPL fight club against the best players in the world. Also he took second place in one of the closest GSL finals ever.
Making what you think is the wrong decisions in one single game, that disqualifies him from being a pro?
On November 24 2013 10:41 SirPinky wrote: Goody skype me this link: Hyung vs GoOdy. I wish the Panzer general got more notority in the community for not only being a fantastic mech player but having good decision making. 1hr + game on Akilon.
Sometimes it bothers me when people call themselves pros. He made a total of like 3 vipers and never built anymore. Abduct, blinding cloud, running locusts into tanks for splash, not taking closest bases to terran first, not trying to drop lings or whatever enough. So much fail.
Cause we all know one minor game out of a sea of hundreds HyuN has played is the definition of a player. It may not have been perfectly played, but one game is not indicative of whether a player is pro or not, considering every player has played flawed games or been stomped one time or another.
This thread probably isn't the place for debate but I'll just say this. Hyun is a korean pro gamer on a team who makes money playing the game. Goody is just some random foreigner who doesn't make the cut to a B-teamer. Hyun should be losing to him almost never. The fact that he has over and hour long and most of the resources on the map to figure out how to crack this and does not, displaces the credibility of Hyun's skill.
So either you have to admit ravens are just OP (which I actually agree they are in mass) or that Hyun isn't really a good pro player, he's just a mechanical macro pro player. This distinction is actually what I considered very important towards the end of BW between pros. Some of these guys just knew how to handle every situation and instance because they theory craft and play around with the engine and put in that extra brain and skill. Most of them were just reciting build orders and being fast.
Thanks a lot for making this thread. I haven't been playing Starcraft one in almost 490 days and recently got back into it, and having a thread like this is a blessing!
On November 27 2013 08:35 MarlieChurphy wrote: This thread probably isn't the place for debate but I'll just say this. Hyun is a korean pro gamer on a team who makes money playing the game. Goody is just some random foreigner who doesn't make the cut to a B-teamer. Hyun should be losing to him almost never. The fact that he has over and hour long and most of the resources on the map to figure out how to crack this and does not, displaces the credibility of Hyun's skill.
So either you have to admit ravens are just OP (which I actually agree they are in mass) or that Hyun isn't really a good pro player, he's just a mechanical macro pro player. This distinction is actually what I considered very important towards the end of BW between pros. Some of these guys just knew how to handle every situation and instance because they theory craft and play around with the engine and put in that extra brain and skill. Most of them were just reciting build orders and being fast.
I think this is a good example of underestimating your opponent and getting lazy once map control is retained (yes, pros do it too). Hyun, after gaining the lead, had very poor decision making from my perspective. Instead of pausing for a minute and thinking "what breaks GoOdy's tank line?" he said "gee, ill just make 45 infestors". He also made no effort to deny GoOdys 5th or take top right at the end of the game. His line could have been overcome with mass air, in my opinion. With army suppy tied up in tanks, Hyun could have won with mass air. Ravens are powerful, but ive been overcome by mass corruptor spread (even with 10+ ravens) with BL to clean up.
On December 03 2013 03:11 The_Templar wrote: are you implying you missed more than a dozen or so games this month? pshh also october 10th has IEM New York, with New TLPDized
I wasn't able to watch much of November because I was busy rewatching September and October. =/
On November 25 2013 19:16 SC2Toastie wrote: Why not? Does being broadcasted by a corporation that wants to earn money make the game less good? Being available for free to everybody is not a requirement for a great game.
Also, Scarlet v Bomber RedBull Battlegrounds NYC Game 3 is probably the most excellent, nailbiting low econ ZvT in a long time; I think they went from minutes 25 to 40 both under a hundred supply.
I agree, it's still a good game, no matter if behind a pay wall.
And here's VoD link for Scarlett vs Bomber game 3:
I'm 2nding this. That was a crazy game. I was sure bomber was going to take it easily at every step of the game but scarlett some how managed to push back every time. The end was a big surprise (or maybe two).
edit- the only thing that bugged me about the game is how when bomber moved out onto the 3rd (below the cliff) and scarlett began running slow banes towards the drop, she pulled back away from the 2 leftover marines up there when if she put them up to the edge and they exploded, they would actually splash the pile below.
This game is an absolute must watch. The whole game piles up on intensity and reach such a critical point BUT THEN HOLY WATCH IT.
That kind of games actually makes me wanna play SC2 again
On December 05 2013 09:08 Livelovedie wrote: This was a fun series to watch especially if you like mech vs zerg... games 1 and 2 were good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqATjdgdWNs
Game time stamps 8:55 , 45:40 , 1:24:15
edit- mech vs zerg series, didn't really enjoy watching this long drawn out games tbh
EPT
