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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 29 2013 02:48 GMT
#461
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

Well, all those actions also require slinging the camera around quite a bit, so even if you're watching equal APM Terran and Zerg, the Zerg will look faster/more active.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
August 29 2013 02:48 GMT
#462
On August 29 2013 11:48 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster


jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc



yes that is true

but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons

at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#463
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 02:50:31
August 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#464
On August 29 2013 11:46 Kal_rA wrote:
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On August 29 2013 11:40 Zenbrez wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:39 Kal_rA wrote:
Is it just me or is he not that fast? I expected my head to hurt. Jaedong's stream is FAST. I've seen falsh's bw fp vods and my eyes could barely keep up. Maybe its just cause its 9 min into the game... and nothings really going up. I wanted insane speed.

Hes all about the effective apm. Doesn;t spam or anything. Guy can split real fast though

Yeah I guess.. its just a little underwhelming.. Hilarious seeing the twitch chat going all 'dat apm doe' when its just really effective instead of fast. I wanna see Bisu stream ^.^


It's SC2... of course it's underwhelming.

All upper tier pros will look the same. Skill cap is too low to differentiate.
T P Z sagi
Cainam
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States421 Posts
August 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#465
Dat macro holy shit.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#466
so flash is using a razer taipan now? Is that mouse any good or is he just using it because he gets paid to do so?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
August 29 2013 02:50 GMT
#467
On August 29 2013 11:48 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:48 rysecake wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster


jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc



yes that is true

but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons

at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races

If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.
Get paper, fuck bitches, smoke trees, mass thors.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 02:50:49
August 29 2013 02:50 GMT
#468
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?



See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey



On August 29 2013 11:50 kodas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:48 Jer99 wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:48 rysecake wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster


jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc



yes that is true

but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons

at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races

If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.





SC2gears
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
August 29 2013 02:51 GMT
#469
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?


Maybe he means morphing eggs? lol else it doesn't make much sense, cause every race does that I hope.
"Right on" - Morrow
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 29 2013 02:51 GMT
#470
On August 29 2013 11:50 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?



See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey

...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units?
Hint: it's not
¯\_(シ)_/¯
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
August 29 2013 02:51 GMT
#471
FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
August 29 2013 02:52 GMT
#472
On August 29 2013 11:51 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:50 Jer99 wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?



See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey

...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units?
Hint: it's not


I never said its better? Its requires more apm, which is my point
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3308 Posts
August 29 2013 02:52 GMT
#473
On August 29 2013 11:50 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?



See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey



Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:50 kodas wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:48 Jer99 wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:48 rysecake wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster


jaedong has always played a lot faster even in bw where there was no inject, creep etc



yes that is true

but overall i believe that zerg requires the most apm for all of those reasons

at least for myself when i play zerg my apm is much higher then for the other 2 races

If you are using the in game apm calc, it is inflated for Z.





SC2gears


Stephano was never a particularly fast player. He just played more intelligently than most.
T P Z sagi
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 29 2013 02:52 GMT
#474
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 29 2013 02:52 GMT
#475
On August 29 2013 11:52 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:51 Whatson wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:50 Jer99 wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:49 Whatson wrote:
On August 29 2013 11:46 Jer99 wrote:
I feel like zerg does need the most apm anyways, injects, spreading creep, overlord spread, adding units to their hotkeys etc etc thats why jaedong plays a lot faster

oh please, really?



See Stephano shift clicking eggs and adding them to his army hotkey

...and how is that better than going going back to your rally point and shift selecting your new units?
Hint: it's not


I never said its better? Its requires more apm, which is my point

So it's inefficient APM. Good, good.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 29 2013 02:53 GMT
#476
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote:
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><

Flash is also in Masters. :O The spread of top-tier players goes from Masters all the way up to GM, depending on how often they ladder.
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
August 29 2013 02:53 GMT
#477
what the fuck is up with the hotkey placement of 3fact 5port 9rax??
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
August 29 2013 02:53 GMT
#478
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote:
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><

GM hasn't started yet due to the new season, all these accounts he's playing have been GM in the past.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 29 2013 02:54 GMT
#479
On August 29 2013 11:53 TimENT wrote:
what the fuck is up with the hotkey placement of 3fact 5port 9rax??

He is probably scrambling his hotkeys?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 29 2013 02:55 GMT
#480
On August 29 2013 11:53 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote:
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><

Flash is also in Masters. :O The spread of top-tier players goes from Masters all the way up to GM, depending on how often they ladder.

ya, lol.

On August 29 2013 11:53 sparklyresidue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 11:52 BigFan wrote:
he doesn't look that impressed XD Maybe he's streaming and half asleep lol. Sick macro the last game, thought he lost it once the zerg got ultras. If that zerg player was masters, I shudder at the thought of a Korean GM Zerg ><

GM hasn't started yet due to the new season, all these accounts he's playing have been GM in the past.

oh, interesting. Makes sense.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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