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GhostFiber
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia88 Posts
June 22 2013 17:11 GMT
#81
I doubt he will be the last Zerg to quit. HotS ruined many old Zerg play styles. Those who have to learn a new style have an opportunity to leave and do something else with their life, instead of figuring out the game again.

He does mention returning for Warcraft 4, so the gamer part of him isn't dead.
matsushi
Profile Joined December 2010
Philippines65 Posts
June 22 2013 17:19 GMT
#82
Great decision, to be honest. Best of luck to you in the future XLord!
Driving this road down to paradise, letting the sunlight into my eyes
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 17:31:06
June 22 2013 17:29 GMT
#83
On June 22 2013 13:12 Kitai wrote:
Oh man, I didn't even see this until I read the "this week in SC2" post. He was one of my favorite UDs to watch in WC3. GL XlorD, and see you in WC4 in 20 years =P

Indeed, ixi's undead skills were unreal. He dominated the German WC3 scene for years and was internationally better known than other German undeads, like HasoObs or HLA (Hate-Love-Anger.)

He played an ultra epic series versus Yaws (German human player) in the EPS. Even though he lost that Bo5, he left you in awe about his skill.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
June 22 2013 17:31 GMT
#84
On June 22 2013 19:09 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 15:20 VTPerfect wrote:
wc3 players just don't find Sc2 that interesting

I am not sure about the players, but the fans! I feel like that 95% of the wc3 fans dont have switched to sc2.
I am very sure that 95% of all former wc3 pros (now sc2) will switch to wc4.

there will be no wc4, not for many years to come. It just doesn't make sense business wise.
Skillver
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria1309 Posts
June 22 2013 17:38 GMT
#85
On June 23 2013 02:31 iky43210 wrote:
there will be no wc4, not for many years to come. It just doesn't make sense business wise.


Even though I know it's true, this just made me so sad to read
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 20:08:18
June 22 2013 20:08 GMT
#86
Warcraft is the main franchise of Blizzard. Starcraft is still a spin-off, for Scifi-Fans and for an esports phenomenon. Diablo don't even origins from Blizzard.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
June 22 2013 20:42 GMT
#87
GLHF in real life, XLord.
The Bomber boy
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2013 20:50 GMT
#88
blizzard, please make wc4
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
June 22 2013 20:54 GMT
#89
Good, i never really liked him. I think there were 3 separate tournaments that he demanded a rematch in for some menial reasons. But just because he is a sleezy person doesn't mean i dont wish him luck in the future! Good luck
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
June 22 2013 20:55 GMT
#90
I guess that now with HotS we will have a new line of pro players, for me it feels like the old generation is leaving and a new one is rising, eventualy all of our favorite pros will retire and we will have new ones to be fans of.
Anyway, good luck in the future!
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
redstop
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1 Post
June 24 2013 16:52 GMT
#91
Remember casting his games in War3... he was like 16 back then.. talented prospect who could hang with professionals like grubby, tod back in the days. lol... we need war4 now..but blizzard investing too much in sc2 already.. probably not gonna start considering it until legacy of the void for a long time.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
June 24 2013 17:14 GMT
#92
On June 21 2013 22:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
you can study and play. Welmu is good example, he studies compurter science at university and is one of the best european protosses.



An even better example is socke who has been doing it for years. At the end of the day it just all comes down to being able to set your priorities, if you fail to do it properly quiting one thing for the other may be the best choice, but if you do it right and you love what you do you should almost always be able to do multiple things at once and be perfectly fine.

On June 22 2013 19:09 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 15:20 VTPerfect wrote:
wc3 players just don't find Sc2 that interesting

I am not sure about the players, but the fans! I feel like that 95% of the wc3 fans dont have switched to sc2.
I am very sure that 95% of all former wc3 pros (now sc2) will switch to wc4.


Well given that wc3 is actually a (by a gigantic margin) inferior game to star 2 (you would have to be really dumb to not see that, this is not an opinion question, war3 is so unblievable dumbed down compared to starcraft, it's kinda sad actually), while brood war is kinda like starcraft 2 but way way harder and with a way bigger skill gab (though hots is a huge step in the right direction), I highly doubt war 3 pros would all switch if they actually care about the game they play. Because I'd assume that if you are an rts player you kinda like hard games (otherwise you'd play moba) and I would never ever volunterely switch to an inferior game (lets be honest kespa was forced). Grubby and Naniwa are known for saying that star 2 is way way harder and I highly doubt that, unless they are desperate for easy money, they would switch. I guess a lot of shitty foreigners may switch as they would have to actually practice star 2 a lot to keep up with koreans long term, and an inferior game always means that less practice gives you more, but the talented pro gamers should stick with the better game.

On top of that you can already tell that blizzard is having a hard time getting one rts right, I don't even wanna imagine what they would come up with if they'd have to deal with two rts at the same time. I mean last time they left bw balance to kespa map making and created a game that is as far away from rts as you can get without it not being an rts, which I guess allowed the moba genre to be created, but whether that is even a good thing is a question of opinion.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
June 24 2013 17:34 GMT
#93
On June 25 2013 02:14 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 22:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
you can study and play. Welmu is good example, he studies compurter science at university and is one of the best european protosses.


An even better example is socke who has been doing it for years. At the end of the day it just all comes down to being able to set your priorities, if you fail to do it properly quiting one thing for the other may be the best choice, but if you do it right and you love what you do you should almost always be able to do multiple things at once and be perfectly fine.

Bullshit. Socke has paused his studies in order to become full time pro already 2 years ago or so.
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 24 2013 17:50 GMT
#94
@Lorch
Say that game x is much harder than y is very very relative, rather meaningless. It's dependent on (correct) opponent! Nothing else. Grubby would problably have won 90% of all wc3 tournament if Moon, Sky, ToD, Lyn would have never existed in wc3. The same in sc1. Flash without Bisu, Jaedong, Fantasy etc.

I cant bring an example in Sc2 WoL because we see all 2 month 5 "new" player take the top5 right now, and sadly that nobody was constant in the top3 for one year (exception: Stephano in foreigner szene).
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 24 2013 17:54 GMT
#95
On June 25 2013 02:14 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 22:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
you can study and play. Welmu is good example, he studies compurter science at university and is one of the best european protosses.



An even better example is socke who has been doing it for years. At the end of the day it just all comes down to being able to set your priorities, if you fail to do it properly quiting one thing for the other may be the best choice, but if you do it right and you love what you do you should almost always be able to do multiple things at once and be perfectly fine.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 19:09 Dingodile wrote:
On June 22 2013 15:20 VTPerfect wrote:
wc3 players just don't find Sc2 that interesting

I am not sure about the players, but the fans! I feel like that 95% of the wc3 fans dont have switched to sc2.
I am very sure that 95% of all former wc3 pros (now sc2) will switch to wc4.


Well given that wc3 is actually a (by a gigantic margin) inferior game to star 2 (you would have to be really dumb to not see that, this is not an opinion question, war3 is so unblievable dumbed down compared to starcraft, it's kinda sad actually), while brood war is kinda like starcraft 2 but way way harder and with a way bigger skill gab (though hots is a huge step in the right direction), I highly doubt war 3 pros would all switch if they actually care about the game they play. Because I'd assume that if you are an rts player you kinda like hard games (otherwise you'd play moba) and I would never ever volunterely switch to an inferior game (lets be honest kespa was forced). Grubby and Naniwa are known for saying that star 2 is way way harder and I highly doubt that, unless they are desperate for easy money, they would switch. I guess a lot of shitty foreigners may switch as they would have to actually practice star 2 a lot to keep up with koreans long term, and an inferior game always means that less practice gives you more, but the talented pro gamers should stick with the better game.

On top of that you can already tell that blizzard is having a hard time getting one rts right, I don't even wanna imagine what they would come up with if they'd have to deal with two rts at the same time. I mean last time they left bw balance to kespa map making and created a game that is as far away from rts as you can get without it not being an rts, which I guess allowed the moba genre to be created, but whether that is even a good thing is a question of opinion.


lol war3 is not inferior to sc2.
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
June 24 2013 18:21 GMT
#96
On June 25 2013 02:50 Dingodile wrote:
@Lorch
Say that game x is much harder than y is very very relative, rather meaningless. It's dependent on (correct) opponent! Nothing else. Grubby would problably have won 90% of all wc3 tournament if Moon, Sky, ToD, Lyn would have never existed in wc3. The same in sc1. Flash without Bisu, Jaedong, Fantasy etc.

I cant bring an example in Sc2 WoL because we see all 2 month 5 "new" player take the top5 right now, and sadly that nobody was constant in the top3 for one year (exception: Stephano in foreigner szene).


sc2 had a stronger playerbase in WoL than wc3 ever did simply becuase of the amount of Koreans playing it full time. Now that most of the bw pros are also playing sc2 it actually makes it the RTS with the most talent on display that anyone has seen.
Skypirinha
Profile Joined April 2013
2 Posts
June 24 2013 18:28 GMT
#97
everything good has to come to and end. Loved War3 with its small lovely community where u didnt have to play fulltime to upset pros every now and then. In starcraft 2 you have to be ahead of the metagame or just a fucking machine like innovation to do well. Even some pros who play 16 hours/day cant keep up. In my opinion thats not a game anymore its brutal work. I think Xlord did the right step. Hope there will be a war4. would be so fucking amazing. In my opinion war 3 was the best game ever made.
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:48:09
June 24 2013 18:33 GMT
#98
On June 21 2013 00:21 synd wrote:
So the arrogant douche finally realized that being fulltitme top pro isn't that simple as he makes it when he trashes other top pros. You have to spend a lot of time in practice and the results won't come immediately.
Good for him that he realized he lacks the passion/dedication for it.



User was warned for this post


you sir just had your jimmies rustled.

gg

Good for Xlord, I always advocate School>gaming, how it should be. All that matters in 40 years he'll look back and think "damn that was a good time, glad I took a shot"

More than you can say random TL user. Go leave your smut on reddit.
Trash talk is what alot of players popular, whether its the best route to go down is up to how you end up in a career.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 18:43:33
June 24 2013 18:42 GMT
#99
On June 21 2013 00:21 synd wrote:
So the arrogant douche finally realized that being fulltitme top pro isn't that simple as he makes it when he trashes other top pros. You have to spend a lot of time in practice and the results won't come immediately.
Good for him that he realized he lacks the passion/dedication for it.



saying that about one of THE up and commers int he wc3 scene is more then a joke ...

sc2 just was never his game
also his character didnt get older with him i had the feeling

On June 25 2013 02:54 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 02:14 Lorch wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
you can study and play. Welmu is good example, he studies compurter science at university and is one of the best european protosses.



An even better example is socke who has been doing it for years. At the end of the day it just all comes down to being able to set your priorities, if you fail to do it properly quiting one thing for the other may be the best choice, but if you do it right and you love what you do you should almost always be able to do multiple things at once and be perfectly fine.

On June 22 2013 19:09 Dingodile wrote:
On June 22 2013 15:20 VTPerfect wrote:
wc3 players just don't find Sc2 that interesting

I am not sure about the players, but the fans! I feel like that 95% of the wc3 fans dont have switched to sc2.
I am very sure that 95% of all former wc3 pros (now sc2) will switch to wc4.


Well given that wc3 is actually a (by a gigantic margin) inferior game to star 2 (you would have to be really dumb to not see that, this is not an opinion question, war3 is so unblievable dumbed down compared to starcraft, it's kinda sad actually), while brood war is kinda like starcraft 2 but way way harder and with a way bigger skill gab (though hots is a huge step in the right direction), I highly doubt war 3 pros would all switch if they actually care about the game they play. Because I'd assume that if you are an rts player you kinda like hard games (otherwise you'd play moba) and I would never ever volunterely switch to an inferior game (lets be honest kespa was forced). Grubby and Naniwa are known for saying that star 2 is way way harder and I highly doubt that, unless they are desperate for easy money, they would switch. I guess a lot of shitty foreigners may switch as they would have to actually practice star 2 a lot to keep up with koreans long term, and an inferior game always means that less practice gives you more, but the talented pro gamers should stick with the better game.

On top of that you can already tell that blizzard is having a hard time getting one rts right, I don't even wanna imagine what they would come up with if they'd have to deal with two rts at the same time. I mean last time they left bw balance to kespa map making and created a game that is as far away from rts as you can get without it not being an rts, which I guess allowed the moba genre to be created, but whether that is even a good thing is a question of opinion.


lol war3 is not inferior to sc2.


oh thanks ^^ didnt laugh so much for so a long time (wc3 gigantic margin inferior to star2...) haha rly the best i heared for the last 2 years
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Sunfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria162 Posts
June 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#100
Can't say I'll be sorry to see him and his attitude go (his behavior back at HSC VI was petty beyond words), but good luck to him in his studies, regardless. Honestly, it's probably a better choice for him anyway -- I never saw him going far in eSports given his arrogance and constant balance whining.
retired from goodgame agency and now freelancing fucking everywhere -- come follow me at @william_partin
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