EPTLike most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason.
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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TheZanthex
United States144 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
Love this format much better. Round robins are so much better than double elimination, and BO1 adds a lot of drama in Ro32. | ||
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Gesamtkunstwerk
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Sure, Bo3 is better, and so is Bo5, and Bo7, Bo1337 and Bo9001, but Proleague is also kind of Bo1 and I don't see many upsets happening there anyway. There is this belief that SC2 is a much more random game than BW, but I'm pretty sure that's really far-fetched (just looking at the winrates of top players in both games). Considering the state of the game atm, all-ins and cheeses are actually as risky as greedy openings nowadays (it wasn't always the case in SC2) so I don't think we'll see 90% all-ins. Sure, worse players will probably attempt some funky stuff against players like Flash, Innovation, Rain or Soulkey, but whatever they do, it'll still be defendable :D You guys act like they might as well throw a coin or play dice... + Show Spoiler + Well, there are terrible coinflippy matchups like PvP or ZvZ, but who cares about those anyway HUEHUETvTFINALSPLEASEHUE | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 13 2013 14:59 Lorning wrote: I want Flash to fall 0-2 by losing to 2 Roach bane allins. Then I'd like to see the reactions again. they'd just blame sc2 for being a bad game rather than blame bo1 format i guess | ||
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goody153
44300 Posts
A:flash will always win unless badly hit with roachbane equalizer, soulkey the current gsl champion but im not sure about his odds he has flash in these group and zvz is an still coinflip B:innovation seriously anyone who faces bogus in these group is already a dead man,Flying hes just better than the other 3 C:sos is the stealth assassin of this group,effort is the sidekick of hydra the cj's hope D:symbol is a roachbane master ,shine is yolo E:Life's still the best zerg player in the world just didnt get the spot because of BSL last GSL and not a lot of televised games,Jangbi because fantasy is still unstable F:Roro one of the mightiest zerg so far,Leenook this guy rarely does not advance G:Parting soultrain man, Squirtle will use water gun and its gonna be super effective H: im sure its rain the PROOOO LEAGUE HEEROOO and other player | ||
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goody153
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 13 2013 15:03 opterown wrote: they'd just blame sc2 for being a bad game rather than blame bo1 format i guess Or maybe it just means Flash et al aren't that great at this game :p :p :p :p (if Flash, Innovation, Rain, Life, Soulkey all get knocked out in Ro32 I'd be pretty upset, no pun intended) | ||
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CygNus X-1
Canada169 Posts
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On June 13 2013 15:03 opterown wrote: they'd just blame sc2 for being a bad game rather than blame bo1 format i guess Real Flash fans are used to see Flash struggle in the group stages. | ||
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On June 13 2013 15:03 opterown wrote: they'd just blame sc2 for being a bad game rather than blame bo1 format i guess Who are they? | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
people who complain about stuff | ||
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Nyvis
France284 Posts
On June 13 2013 14:55 ZenithM wrote: Lol I'm really not convinced by the general "OHHHHH NOOOO BO1 SO RANDOM!" that seems to be going on there. Sure, Bo3 is better, and so is Bo5, and Bo7, Bo1337 and Bo9001, but Proleague is also kind of Bo1 and I don't see many upsets happening there anyway. There is this belief that SC2 is a much more random game than BW, but I'm pretty sure that's really far-fetched (just looking at the winrates of top players in both games). Considering the state of the game atm, all-ins and cheeses are actually as risky as greedy openings nowadays (it wasn't always the case in SC2) so I don't think we'll see 90% all-ins. Sure, worse players will probably attempt some funky stuff against players like Flash, Innovation, Rain or Soulkey, but whatever they do, it'll still be defendable :D You guys act like they might as well throw a coin or play dice... + Show Spoiler + Well, there are terrible coinflippy matchups like PvP or ZvZ, but who cares about those anyway HUEHUETvTFINALSPLEASEHUE Of course, you can't see randomness by looking at winrates. Do you know about statistics? It's an average... But it's still random as hell, since every player feeling behind against a given opponent will probably cheese. I don't know why OSL have to do things differently from every other WCS tournaments, going away from a perfectly fine format. SC2 is a lot more coinflippy than SC1 because engagements are faster, deathballs are faster (mainly because of better pathing) and stuff harder to scout and react to in time. BO1 are completely out of place in this game and in this quality of tournament. OSL did it last time, was criticized for it, with very bad players reaching the next round and major upsets, leading to a less interesting to watch RO16. With so much money and fame on the line, with the tournament becoming the only thing that matters for Korean players, this is madness to base everything out on BO1. Round robin is also retarded, with possible ties forcing tiebreakers (since they won't use map scores, there will be a lot), meaning a TON of unpredictable delay. Blizzard should have pushed harder for an unified WCS format. It would also make it more clear for new viewers who watched other WCS before. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 13 2013 14:59 Lorning wrote: I want Flash to fall 0-2 by losing to 2 Roach bane allins. Then I'd like to see the reactions again. You mean, everyone but all teamliquid? Everybody say the same as you in this thread: every trash player is going to cheese out the fan-favorite-multiple-championship-super-skilled guy and we'll have a Savage vs hyvaa ZvZ finals. | ||
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