Quantic Gaming is proud to announce our newest player acquisition: Kaitlyn! She will be joining our StarCraft II Academy with the id "Quantic.kaitlyn" and will be streaming her ladder matches on her TwitchTV stream. The Canadian Zerg player has a degree in Electrical Engineering with a minor in Computer Science and has been actively working on her StarCraft II skills since graduating. She first entered masters league in Wings of Liberty.
We had a chance to talk with Kaitlyn about her goals with the team and her experiences in eSports.
To read the full announcement including an interview with Kaitlyn Click Here
Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
Haha, I admit I'm just as jealous as the next guy as an aspiring Master myself. But this is good for her AND for the scene in general. We want more girls in the scene for 1)diversity. 2) to attract fresh (female) blood to the game.
Plus, she's quite good, plays all races, and commentates while playing.
Really happy for Quantic. Maybe they will pick up MsSpyte to! With scarlett taking a break someone will pick up the female gamer banner, maybe it will be her! :D
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
You have to realize it states shes joining the Academy Program
What does that even mean... I guess being masters on all races isn't a bad feat. Congrats.
If you don't know what it means, why do you do a "If I may ask"-flame in the first place? They have an academy for aspiring players who are not strong enough for their pro team (yet). Perfectly reasonable to get masters players here.
On May 05 2013 03:42 FlukyS wrote: Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
Sweet, another team picking up a token female player that isn't Scarlett. Prime, Azubu, Startale... which organisation will grab a random mid-masters chick for their team next, I wonder.
On May 05 2013 03:42 FlukyS wrote: Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
DaSakura Scarlett ColaGirl
who is colagirl
On May 05 2013 04:07 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Sweet, another team picking up a token female player that isn't Scarlett. Prime, Azubu, Startale... which organisation will grab a random mid-masters chick for their team next, I wonder.
you make it sound like if you arent offering scarlett all of your monies then picking up a girl is killing esports. shes an academy player and she got to masters on her own, she deserves this as much as anyone else. and even if she doesnt become the next scarlett, she wouldnt of been the first academy player for a pro team to fail to make it.
On May 05 2013 03:42 FlukyS wrote: Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
Good that Quantic are able to pick up new players when so many other teams seem to have financial problems, and it would be good to have a new streamer to check out every now and then
Quantic picks their players wisely. First typical streamers like Lowko, Nathanias and now Kaitlyn, and then supplement those with a world class player in Hyun and other "cheap" Koreans that are still able to do very well in team leagues, and you get a very likeable team that still can produce results both individually and as a team.
Not every team can be EG, and Quantic (amongst others) seems to get this. Great job! I would though like to see more content coming out of your team. Hyun and Hwangsin both speaks more than enough English to do small instructional videos or "get-to-know"-videos, and Lowko and Nathanias are both streaming monsters who can put out even more great content than they already are doing.
On May 05 2013 03:42 FlukyS wrote: Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
On May 05 2013 04:07 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Sweet, another team picking up a token female player that isn't Scarlett. Prime, Azubu, Startale... which organisation will grab a random mid-masters chick for their team next, I wonder.
you make it sound like if you arent offering scarlett all of your monies then picking up a girl is killing esports. shes an academy player and she got to masters on her own, she deserves this as much as anyone else. and even if she doesnt become the next scarlett, she wouldnt of been the first academy player for a pro team to fail to make it.
On May 05 2013 04:30 Longtimer wrote: Quantic picks their players wisely. First typical streamers like Lowko, Nathanias and now Kaitlyn, and then supplement those with a world class player in Hyun and other "cheap" Koreans that are still able to do very well in team leagues, and you get a very likeable team that still can produce results both individually and as a team.
Not every team can be EG, and Quantic (amongst others) seems to get this. Great job! I would though like to see more content coming out of your team. Hyun and Hwangsin both speaks more than enough English to do small instructional videos or "get-to-know"-videos, and Lowko and Nathanias are both streaming monsters who can put out even more great content than they already are doing.
Hope to see more of this in the future
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On May 05 2013 04:16 baldgye wrote: Good that Quantic are able to pick up new players when so many other teams seem to have financial problems, and it would be good to have a new streamer to check out every now and then
She will be streaming shortly. You should check her out tonight.
On May 05 2013 04:40 Chillax wrote: Looks more like a PR stunt then anything else, I wish her luck but it seems quite similar to the whole Slayer Eve situation to me.
On May 05 2013 04:30 Longtimer wrote: Quantic picks their players wisely. First typical streamers like Lowko, Nathanias and now Kaitlyn, and then supplement those with a world class player in Hyun and other "cheap" Koreans that are still able to do very well in team leagues, and you get a very likeable team that still can produce results both individually and as a team.
Not every team can be EG, and Quantic (amongst others) seems to get this. Great job! I would though like to see more content coming out of your team. Hyun and Hwangsin both speaks more than enough English to do small instructional videos or "get-to-know"-videos, and Lowko and Nathanias are both streaming monsters who can put out even more great content than they already are doing.
Hope to see more of this in the future
Never watched Kaitlyn stream but lowko and nathanias are nice streamers tbh
On May 05 2013 04:30 Longtimer wrote: Quantic picks their players wisely. First typical streamers like Lowko, Nathanias and now Kaitlyn, and then supplement those with a world class player in Hyun and other "cheap" Koreans that are still able to do very well in team leagues, and you get a very likeable team that still can produce results both individually and as a team.
Not every team can be EG, and Quantic (amongst others) seems to get this. Great job! I would though like to see more content coming out of your team. Hyun and Hwangsin both speaks more than enough English to do small instructional videos or "get-to-know"-videos, and Lowko and Nathanias are both streaming monsters who can put out even more great content than they already are doing.
Hope to see more of this in the future
We have a few content from players check out our players Blogs
I have read them all, I'm a huge fan, but I think you can do more. I mean, give Hyun a mic and a cam and let him do his own thing (for example during a Dreamhack, going around interviewing other players...), the guy will get a lot of views, I can guarantee you that
On May 05 2013 03:42 FlukyS wrote: Cute girl and she plays Zerg which is pretty strange since I don't think ive seen any to do that. Plus she is on the same team as Hyun so maybe she can learn a bit from him. Congrats for both of you.
DaSakura Scarlett ColaGirl
who is colagirl
On May 05 2013 04:07 oGsTrueSmug wrote: Sweet, another team picking up a token female player that isn't Scarlett. Prime, Azubu, Startale... which organisation will grab a random mid-masters chick for their team next, I wonder.
you make it sound like if you arent offering scarlett all of your monies then picking up a girl is killing esports. shes an academy player and she got to masters on her own, she deserves this as much as anyone else. and even if she doesnt become the next scarlett, she wouldnt of been the first academy player for a pro team to fail to make it.
thank you turdburgler
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On May 05 2013 04:29 TriO wrote: Damn shes hot id eat that ass of her.
On May 05 2013 04:40 Chillax wrote: Looks more like a PR stunt then anything else, I wish her luck but it seems quite similar to the whole Slayer Eve situation to me.
Reminder that Eve is literally in Silver.
Why such a blatant lie? edit: i guess your being sarcastic lol.
Congrats. I welcome the idea of more female players. It's a diversity that is greatly needed. Look forward to seeing how she does in the Quantic Academy.
I watch Miss Kaitlyn's stream quite often and she is very smart, good looking, speaks well, cool to watch, and I have no doubt she can make it up to GM with practice help from her new teammates (she has 2 engineering degree's which is just as hard or harder than making GM!!)
She might not be at the skill level of say a Scarlett just yet, but give her time!
She looks nice in the picture . I read the interview, she was heavily into brood war when it came out and stayed up late to watch all the games. I think she definitely earned this, and I am looking forward to see her play!
On May 05 2013 07:05 JIJI_ wrote: Very nice pickup.
I watch Miss Kaitlyn's stream quite often and she is very smart, good looking, speaks well, cool to watch, and I have no doubt she can make it up to GM with practice help from her new teammates (she has 2 engineering degree's which is just as hard or harder than making GM!!)
She might not be at the skill level of say a Scarlett just yet, but give her time!
Not really, Canadian unvi and education system is far different then geting a Engineering degree in USA, and depends what kind of engineering, some are far more easy to study for then other fields. Anyways grats I guess. guess every team these days are doing this for better marketing for the team. to clear some things up shes in Quantic's training section, she wont be playing with the real team like the Koreans, they wont wast their time having top players train someone like kaitlyn.
if you want to compare, She is like Desrow, situation where Desrow is on FXO-NA which is like a train program and to help market. Has nothing to do with the Korean side or players.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
And I always base my opinions on whatever makes the most sense and not what other people want me to think, because if life has taught me anything it's the understanding that what most other people think is not necessarily the result of logical thinking but the result of social pressure. And I know that we are all expected to white-knight this girl, but I can't get myself to just ignore the obvious fact that this was a publicity stunt. And let me just say that there is nothing wrong with that. it's in the best interest of the team.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Well, she's got on Academy team; so it's not like she is on a pro team, yet.
Now, my bit to the topic - it's again the issue of (let's not kid ourselves, right) pretty women being picked up like that. Don't want to be upset or hate on the girl in question, as I do not know her; it's more like the whole notion of such pickup, and it tells me wrong message: "Be a cute girl with a huge stream following & you get an awesome opportunity like that", so let's be honest here - if a random Masters guy or a girl like me, or hell, you, and you there, asked to be part of this Academy project, would they take him/her? I kind of doubt it. Even though there are people, who'd love nothing more than to practice in a well-established academy team; with solid guidance like Quantic no doubt can provide. It's literally a dream of many StarCraft II passionate people.
I personally feel this is one of the hardest struggles of this community & it shows each time some woman is openly announced on a renown team, even if it's "just" Academy. I wish it was more about this passion, rather than, you know, always about being a girl or whatever else, which is equally insignificant as someone's gender or appearance.
But, my hopes are still high and I want to try staying positive, because there's enough negativity as it is, in this community. I have nothing but than respect for Maddelisk, Flo & Scarlett; they've been working hard & showed their passion for the game & they have been accepted by the community, even though it took them quite a while to not be looked down upon. I wish Kaitlyn the same; to work hard and spread the love of the game. Because in the end, that's what matters the most.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
This applies even more to the post above mine.
So what about the other 100's of mid masters, where is there academy invite? Might as well just pick up tumescentpie
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
wow! Electrical Engineering! that takes some gonads to do, alot of my mates do that at uni and it is an incredible amount of work!
on topic though, I watched her stream from time to time back in WoL and in HOTS, she seems like she knows what she is doing so should be cool to see how she can further improve in a team environment.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
Holy shit, Quantic picked up someone for their Academy team who is not only a decent player but has a personality and good people skills! It must entirely be about her gender. (/sarcasm)
Congrats to Kaitlyn, she's been working hard to improve and she's had to do it while politely ignoring all of the asshats and trolls in her stream audience. Yeah, she's a girl. So what? She can still zerg-stomp 99% of the people that will bitch about her gender and she does it with typical Canadian aplomb. Hopefully she can concentrate on getting even better with the help of Quantic Academy and move up to the main team.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote: [quote]
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
You dont have the same opinion, clearly he is a sexist and needs to be banned.
On May 05 2013 08:38 oOOoOphidian wrote: Hard working player, would not be surprised to see her hit GM before most other people who get on team academies. Grats
Have you played against her? I've never heard of her before, but that isn't too uncommon since she is probably more of a "oh I played against her that one time," kind of recognition, and I'm not at that level of play. I guess she did hit masters on her own, which does show that she is actively playing and working on bettering her game.
EDIT: apparently she streams a lot, that would explain that. Sorry for my ignorance D:.
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote: [quote]
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
pretty sure she gets like 1k viewers on her stream + shes masters
seems like she fits the model of an academy player
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
pretty sure she gets like 1k viewers on her stream + shes masters
seems like she fits the model of an academy player
This girl is more than just the bare minimum for an academy player, great pick up on Quantic's part.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
You dont have the same opinion, clearly he is a sexist and needs to be banned.
Hehe, honestly I can understand why some people get butthurt about things like this. All of those aspiring pros and good high masters players who get overlooked and see someone with a lot less skill getting picked up and getting giving a good chance. While I understand all of that I really do not care myself :p So good luck to her and hopefully she ups her level and can make some of these nerds eat their words :p
On May 05 2013 09:12 Xahhk wrote: Half the team on EG is for publicity, just a reminder.
Although this might be a bit off-topic, I have to defend EG here; Machine, Incontrol and Idra were all pretty decent bw players and EG picked them up very early. ThorZaiN and HuK got signed after their respective DH wins, if I recall correctly, Stephano got picked up, when he was by far the best foreigner and aLive/Oz/JYP/Revival/Suppy are all solid players, that did´nt have a huge fanbase before, so they were no publicity signing either. So in general most EG players were actually hired through results.
The community can't blame organizations for choosing players that our own community gives attention to. If our community and its members stopped showing support and attention to gamers like this, the incentive to pick up the player into their ranks would disappear.
The problem ends up being that all the detractors jump down the throat of this news, and just spark and fuel the debate and attention that a move like this makes. If you feel so strongly about it, don't comment or bump threads like this, and let it go by the wayside. Simply posting and adding dissent doesn't address really anything.
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
Saying that a player isn't being recruited for their skill is sexist now? Don't be silly. Players are judged on their merit.
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote: On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Nathanias was picked up by Quantic as a caster. Katlyn was picked up for publicity. You even said it yourself in one of your later posts when you referenced her stream numbers and following. It wasn't skill, it was publicity. You yourself admitted that already, yet I am somehow hate mongering by simply pointing out that fact.
This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for.
That makes sense.
On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote: [quote]
Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Nathanias was picked up by Quantic as a caster. Katlyn was picked up for publicity. You even said it yourself in one of your later posts when you referenced her stream numbers and following. It wasn't skill, it was publicity. You yourself admitted that already, yet I am somehow hate mongering by simply pointing out that fact.
Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly.
Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad.
I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition.
Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so.
No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Nathanias was picked up by Quantic as a caster. Katlyn was picked up for publicity. You even said it yourself in one of your later posts when you referenced her stream numbers and following. It wasn't skill, it was publicity. You yourself admitted that already, yet I am somehow hate mongering by simply pointing out that fact.
The logic is weak with this one.
Show us your sources SlixSC. You seem to know.
Why does he have to? He's not claiming she got a spot on Quantic Academy ahead of him or anything is he?
*Edit misread your post as 'show us YOUR skills'. Apologies. Have yet to adjust to baby-induced sleep deprivation.
On May 05 2013 09:48 Torvaltz wrote: I didn't know about the Quantic Academy. Hopefully they can help her out! I'm eager to see what she can do. Hopefully she can stream!
I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
Link to her stream? would be interested in checking it out
Gratz to Kaitlyn but i dislike that gender plays a HUGE factor for getting picked up on teams even if you are half decent at the game. Prime examples being Flo, Ailuj and Kaitlyn. Makes me kinda wish I was a female.
Well I went into the thread expecting to rage about another team picking up a player purely based on gender. But a girl with a degree in electrical engineering and minor in comp sci is someone that's bound to have lots of potential in StarCraft II. The gender part definitely helped her get picked up but she's certainly qualified to be an academy member.
Why would those qualify her to be good at SC2? They're good achievements don't get me wrong. The best SC2 players in the world pretty much don't have tertiary level education after all!
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
I'm sure there were many factors that influenced the decision to pick up Kaitlyn instead. Just because someone else is in a higher skill bracket and gets a few more twitch viewers doesn't mean that an organization will automatically pick them up first just because of those 2 things. There's a lot more that goes into it.
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
I've never heard of either one, but maybe MsSpyte was never an option because they either don't know about her, or she herself wasn't interested?
Either way, it's surprising to see a girl with an Engineering degree, as well as a minor in Computer Science ~.~.
I've never understood this stupid concept people seem to have of picking up a player "Instead" of another another player.
There's no roster limit, It's not a Draft pick.
If you ever find yourself asking why they got person X 'Instead' of Person Y... your question is fundamentally flawed and wrong.
Don't think of an eSports Team as a Basketball team with limited space. Think of it as a Record company, If they think the new Artist will benefit the company, they sign them.
Whoever you're thinking could be signed 'instead' could have just been signed as well...just means either the team or player or both just don't want that to happen.
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
It's just the academy, which just means that they think she has potential.
Not to mentions she's actually pretty good, probably better than 90% of the members of this site. She also has a very high quality stream and commentates a lot. I see no reason why she shouldn't be on a team.
On May 05 2013 10:38 Rickyvalle21 wrote: Gratz to Kaitlyn but i dislike that gender plays a HUGE factor for getting picked up on teams even if you are half decent at the game. Prime examples being Flo, Ailuj and Kaitlyn. Makes me kinda wish I was a female.
Ok let me smash this right now. Flo and Kaitlyn put in WORK to get to where they are. I literally watched Kaitlyn put in the time to get from Plat to Masters. Flo is a High Masters player and puts in a lot of work as well. If you wanna join an acadamy for a team there is nothing stopping you.
I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Congrats to Kaitlyn, I've been a fan of her stream for quite a long time and it's nice to see how much more attention her stream has gotten, but this even better. GL to her and Quantic.
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Women are primarily to be objects of desire, and successful human beings second. because of this, women will never be taken seriously as great artists, scientists, writers, etc because their first and foremost duty is to satisfy the male gaze.
Women who are great artists, scientists and writers are taken seriously. That's pretty silly.
That's precisely the point. I hate to invoke Scarlett so much, but transgendered people are a lot more discriminated against societally, but she has a massive fanbase on here because she is really good at the game.
Perhaps the SC2 community is actually pretty tolerant, and it's 'sexism' is bemoaning people getting a leg up?
On May 05 2013 04:40 Chillax wrote: Looks more like a PR stunt then anything else, I wish her luck but it seems quite similar to the whole Slayer Eve situation to me.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
Just becaude you can't achieve perfection/an ideal doesn't mean you can't strive towards it.
Pro sports are some of the most meritocratic forms of employment out there. Additional sponsorships on top of base salaries and winnings maybe less so ofc.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
I think that was his point...
The reason she is picked up is essentially a sexist one... Most of the posts in this thread have been "pretty" ... WTF does that mean to her accomplishments? Did they just hire a pretty girl to showcase their team? Well the obvious answer is yes... Why is InControl still in EG? He is a funny, charismatic guy who sponsors their product as such; he even admits to not being the best player but he tries (which is admirable) but he, as well as us, know he is a marketing guy and if this is her role then fine but don't guise it as "training to be the best"... If you want that, start at top 50 GM, not high to middle tier masters, it's exhausting.
Anyone who disagrees with me be prepared to bring it to brawn because I see any pick up (as I mentioned earlier Flo) as an utter disrespect to women in general and only worsening the gap of sexism between society and the online community.
You should be given a chance based on results/skill and not on whether you have breasts that nerds find attractive, this is a disgusting disrespect to women and I apologize in advance to her if she ever reads this but if she can't see there are hundreds if not thousands of more deserving players and she's being picked up over them because she happens to be female then I don't know what else to say because, frankly, it's true and Quantic should feel the brunt of the community for hiring based on sexual desire of males and sexist notions rather then true talent and skill.
I want to live in a community where we see a girl brought onto a team and she happens to be top 10 GM and stomping everyone in sight... Not "plat/diamond/masters and trying their damnedest to improve!! <3 : D" because I'm trying my damnedest somedays and a lot of others are trying even harder but they get fucked because of this.
Sexism and inequality starts when you hand special treatment to one or the other gender, it's not an excuse to hire a male because he has a penis so it shouldn't be an excuse to hire a female because she has tits and gamers like them, skill should trump all and she lacks it.
Now you can argue perhaps that there aren't nearly as many females and she represents the best of the females out there (in the pool of pickups) to try and bolster the female scene but is it a good way to encourage them to basically say "well you don't really have to be good... Have a nice smile and get into mid-high masters and you'll make it!". That's a great shadow to put over all females trying to enter the scene, be a sexual symbol and mediocre and get in easier then everyone else...
So, you genuinely believe that the people signed to teams in other professional sports are truly the best players in the their field in the world, and that luck, or appearance, or marketability, etc. had zero impact on their success?
I think you're holding esports to a paradigm that doesn't exist.
EDIT: It's only becomes an issue of sexism because whenever a guy gets signed to a team, there's this pervasive tendency in the community to conveniently overlook any of the non-skill related factors that might possibly have helped him get signed to a team (eg. personality, networking, attractiveness), but when a girl gets signed to a team, that's all everyone talks about. My point is that there are always a bunch of factors involved in any team's decision to sign a player - it's not a meritocracy - but it only seems to become an issue when the player in question is female.
Fuji's had this track record of pickups, no real surprise. They grabbed that one girl on xSix (forgot her name) too and that Maximus dude while not locking up Suppy...But yeah, best of luck.
On May 05 2013 12:58 khaydarin9 wrote: So, you genuinely believe that the people signed to teams in other professional sports are truly the best players in the their field in the world, and that luck, or appearance, or marketability, etc. had zero impact on their success?
I think you're holding esports to a paradigm that doesn't exist.
EDIT: It's only becomes an issue of sexism because whenever a guy gets signed to a team, there's this pervasive tendency in the community to conveniently overlook any of the non-skill related factors that might possibly have helped him get signed to a team (eg. personality, networking, attractiveness), but when a girl gets signed to a team, that's all everyone talks about. My point is that there are always a bunch of factors involved in any team's decision to sign a player - it's not a meritocracy - but it only seems to become an issue when the player in question is female.
No, but I believe that when you look at sports pickups the majority (if not all) are within respect to the top of their playing field... Of course you're not going to get (insert best professional sports player from any sport) with every draft but you don't go down to Jr C hockey and hire a player to come and play on your AHL team because he has a nice smile and is quick wit.
Does marketability present itself? Of course it does but you, by mentioning, basically say her job is to play games and promote Quantic with her sexuality rather then anything else as if she's the bell girl at a UFC fight but if you're saying she's training at the academy you'll never find a single sports team (women or male) that signs sub-par (and by sub-par I would go as far as to say 3-4-5 divisions down in comparisons to the players that are open right now in GM) because of personality etc... I'd like to see one or two of these people who can be so far down but get in because of that reason.
EDIT to your EDIT:
- Are you saying EG's InControl has NEVER taken any heat for being mainly just personality while being rather bad at SC2? Is this your argument that it's only females because I've seen many players get this...
The reason this happens MORE to females is because there's never any other reason... Scarlet is what, the only exception? It's not like 99.99% of male gamers get picked up for something other then skill, try the 0.01 % at best while females this is all you see...
You want equality, start by being equal. Start by grinding 12 hours a day for years only to reach semi-pro and win a few Playhems... Start by hitting the same skill ceilings pros have to push through to improve... It's not about being a male or a female, that's the fucking point, it's about playing the game in question and putting your mind and mentality to the task against others in fair sport... That is competition and that is equality, this is sexist by definition and it's only hurting females in the league because it only shines light on the attractive mediocre females... I know, even as a male, that if I were a female I'd be discouraged to get involved because you'll always be looked at the same way, as a publicity stunt in almost every case because in almost every case you are... You're the girl who stands beside the NASCAR team with a bikini on and a logo on your ass cheek rather then the driver or the team; you're not Danica Patrick, you're the sexual symbol to grab males attentions; a degradation to women frankly.
On May 05 2013 12:58 khaydarin9 wrote: So, you genuinely believe that the people signed to teams in other professional sports are truly the best players in the their field in the world, and that luck, or appearance, or marketability, etc. had zero impact on their success?
I think you're holding esports to a paradigm that doesn't exist.
No, but I believe that when you look at sports pickups the majority (if not all) are within respect to the top of their playing field... Of course you're not going to get (insert best professional sports player from any sport) with every draft but you don't go down to Jr C hockey and hire a player to come and play on your AHL team because he has a nice smile and is quick wit.
Does marketability present itself? Of course it does but you, by mentioning, basically say her job is to play games and promote Quantic with her sexuality rather then anything else as if she's the bell girl at a UFC fight but if you're saying she's training at the academy you'll never find a single sports team (women or male) that signs sub-par (and by sub-par I would go as far as to say 3-4-5 divisions down in comparisons to the players that are open right now in GM) because of personality etc... I'd like to see one or two of these people who can be so far down but get in because of that reason.
Of course, marketability is also the reason that players like NaNiWa and Destiny have such a track record of team instability, despite having a certain amount of skill, and why people like inControl and TLO are still signed to big teams, despite not having produced results in quite a while. It matters to the management, and it matters to the audience. It's not in itself gendered, except that people turn a blind eye to it when it's a boy, and are up there brandishing their flaming torches and pitchforks when it's a girl.
No, I'm not saying that it never happens to boys, but the fact that it's vastly disproportionate would lend itself to the argument that it's just another weapon being used to delegitimise girls as professional players. Historically, there has yet to be a non-controversial signing of a female player to a pro team - conveniently, those girls are just never good enough to be on the team (when it's not even about being "good enough", because it's never been a meritocracy). People making jabs at inControl is not really the same as systematically dismantling every girl who comes along.
On May 05 2013 12:58 khaydarin9 wrote: So, you genuinely believe that the people signed to teams in other professional sports are truly the best players in the their field in the world, and that luck, or appearance, or marketability, etc. had zero impact on their success?
I think you're holding esports to a paradigm that doesn't exist.
No, but I believe that when you look at sports pickups the majority (if not all) are within respect to the top of their playing field... Of course you're not going to get (insert best professional sports player from any sport) with every draft but you don't go down to Jr C hockey and hire a player to come and play on your AHL team because he has a nice smile and is quick wit.
Does marketability present itself? Of course it does but you, by mentioning, basically say her job is to play games and promote Quantic with her sexuality rather then anything else as if she's the bell girl at a UFC fight but if you're saying she's training at the academy you'll never find a single sports team (women or male) that signs sub-par (and by sub-par I would go as far as to say 3-4-5 divisions down in comparisons to the players that are open right now in GM) because of personality etc... I'd like to see one or two of these people who can be so far down but get in because of that reason.
Of course, marketability is also the reason that players like NaNiWa and Destiny have such a track record of team instability, despite having a certain amount of skill, and why people like inControl and TLO are still signed to big teams, despite not having produced results in quite a while. It matters to the management, and it matters to the audience. It's not in itself gendered, except that people turn a blind eye to it when it's a boy, and are up there brandishing their flaming torches and pitchforks when it's a girl.
You rehashed the "only for girls" I edited my post to align with that since you edited before, I won't go back over it unless you have something to add to that.
Editing gets confusing when we start editing posts back and forth lol
On May 05 2013 10:25 LingBlingBling wrote: I still don't understand why they picked kaitlyn over ms spite tho, kaitlyn never gets close to 1k views, or even streams at all very often, her highests is like few hundred.
Ms Spyte is far more skilled imo, would deserve this spot far more. She is Top masters with GM MMR vs kaitlyn who is very low mmr for master player, considered low masters.
MS spyte gets 1k+ viewers at all times, more lately as she streams often.
So still kinda confused. Is it a Canadian based only side or something? As far as marketing and skill, Ms spyte would of been the better option, Also a zerg player.
She's a Mid-Masters Zerg MMR.
I was gonna say... she's nowhere near GM level mmr. I've seen a game or two on her stream, and it isn't even close.
Have to edit posts because not allowed to double-post, and obviously, when I post, mine is the most recent (even though you're probably in the middle of writing one) :/
On May 05 2013 13:27 khaydarin9 wrote: Have to edit posts because not allowed to double-post, and obviously, when I post, mine is the most recent (even though you're probably in the middle of writing one) :/
Yeah you edited as I wrote my first so then I edited mine with an edit to reply to your edit in my post then you replied to my post but not my edit... #TLProblems haha
Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
She's a young attractive female which will draw in viewers and attention to the team and therefore sponsors. I know nothing of her abilities, but this alone is reason for them to pick her up.
Looking right now I see she's got 400+ viewers which is more than Dragon has and I think he's GM on KR. Not the numbers stephano pulls, but views are views!
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
She's a young attractive female which will draw in viewers and attention to the team and therefore sponsors. I know nothing of her abilities, but this alone is reason for them to pick her up.
Looking right now I see she's got 400+ viewers which is more than Dragon has and I think he's GM on KR. Not the numbers stephano pulls, but views are views!
why does it draw in attention though? i personally have never understood it. Is there really that many virgins out there that want to see a pretty girl play a game they love? Are people generally lonely? i dont get it
They were asking stupid shit like what is a NAND gate. Even if she knows the answer to that question, she's not going to waste her time typing out a response.
On May 05 2013 14:13 Wolvmatt. wrote: They were asking stupid shit like what is a NAND gate. Even if she knows the answer to that question, she's not going to waste her time typing out a response.
Woah that brings me back to circuit labs. Apparently she did EE O.o
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
She's a young attractive female which will draw in viewers and attention to the team and therefore sponsors. I know nothing of her abilities, but this alone is reason for them to pick her up.
Looking right now I see she's got 400+ viewers which is more than Dragon has and I think he's GM on KR. Not the numbers stephano pulls, but views are views!
why does it draw in attention though? i personally have never understood it. Is there really that many virgins out there that want to see a pretty girl play a game they love? Are people generally lonely? i dont get it
Yes. Yes there are.
I'd watch her once to see how good she is (like I am now), but I will not tune in again, although her stream is nice, I just prefer to watch better players.
Go check out her chat if you want to observe skatblast. Pretty pathetic some I them.
Her stream seems pretty solid though, good interaction and stuff, although not as good ad my favoured streams where players commentate their play she does a good job
I guess she went to UTSG? Congrats to both of them! Whether this is a publicily stunt or because she has great talent, time will tell. But either way, I hope for nothing but the best.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
Probably thought you were trolling... But banning you is a pretty dick move.
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
She's a young attractive female which will draw in viewers and attention to the team and therefore sponsors. I know nothing of her abilities, but this alone is reason for them to pick her up.
Looking right now I see she's got 400+ viewers which is more than Dragon has and I think he's GM on KR. Not the numbers stephano pulls, but views are views!
Are you even aware of Dragons average viewer count?
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
What's fishy is you and your buddies trying to stir shit up guy. Why would they lie about that? Tons of girls and boys have engineering degrees.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
Interesting I looked you up on liquipedia but there was no page...
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
What's fishy is you and your buddies trying to stir shit up guy. Why would they lie about that? Tons of girls and boys have engineering degrees.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
What's fishy is you and your buddies trying to stir shit up guy. Why would they lie about that? Tons of girls and boys have engineering degrees.
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PS: Not entering this discussion though
There were at least 10 girls in my graduating year
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
She can just flash her iron ring. You're never supposed to take it off, so it should be visible on her hand as she streams. Edit: It's on her right pinky, you can see it in VODs when she pushes her hair out of the way.
Also, for you non-eng people -- a major/minor is not a double degree.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
What's fishy is you and your buddies trying to stir shit up guy. Why would they lie about that? Tons of girls and boys have engineering degrees.
Guys I don't know why some of you are trying to pretend that shes an aspiring player and Quantic objectively chose her based exclusively on her talent for Starcraft 2. They picked her up as a sort of....team mascot you could say. Like a lot of the Koreans do (eg. Startale Aphrodite) . Beautiful girl who is relatively good at the game. She can pull in some viewers on a stream, help extend the teams market to a more female audience (also helps promote esports to girls) and generally support the team.
Now then, if anyone has ANY other reason as to why she would be picked up, please reply to me, because as I see it this is 100% the reason.
On May 05 2013 18:05 Skiblet wrote: Now then, if anyone has ANY other reason as to why she would be picked up, please reply to me, because as I see it this is 100% the reason.
200 recorded hrs of competitive discussion and educational lectures.
On May 05 2013 04:40 Chillax wrote: Looks more like a PR stunt then anything else, I wish her luck but it seems quite similar to the whole Slayer Eve situation to me.
Reminder that Eve is literally in Silver.
I'm pretty sure Eve is in Masters KR...? 90% sure I recall seeing a b.net profile with 60% W/R in all match ups.
Yeah sorry you're right, but it's still something people should know about (and it's not like people can't offrace ) For example there is also a hacker with the account name liquidsnute
Checked her stream to see what her play was like, and gotta say her commentary is pretty cool if you're not already good at the game. Just watched one game but she explained her build order choices, and why she was attacking, giving details about what you can and can't do in this situation.. So rather nice stuff!
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
She can just flash her iron ring. You're never supposed to take it off, so it should be visible on her hand as she streams.
Is this for real? Sounds like some fantasy guild of smiths bullshit.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
What's fishy is you and your buddies trying to stir shit up guy. Why would they lie about that? Tons of girls and boys have engineering degrees.
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PS: Not entering this discussion though
I guess my girl friend in engineering is a lie then.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
She can just flash her iron ring. You're never supposed to take it off, so it should be visible on her hand as she streams.
Is this for real? Sounds like some fantasy guild of smiths bullshit.
Never heard of it. I don't know if it is an American thing, but if so, I've never spotted one on my American colleagues. Maybe it's a college boy thing or he's just trolling.
Yes, female engineers are rather rare. They do exist though. Stop with the sexist trolling of her; asking her questions in chat, really? As if she has any obligation to answer you. Grow up.
Edit: apparently this thingie with the iron ring is real. It seems to be a Canadian tradition. Link
In the end how good or bad this pick up is all relates to what they do with it. Obviously if she can improve to a true pro level she's useful in that respect. If she can't is she willing to be more of an Incontrol style personality for the team rather then a serious player? Won't take long to figure out what she's capable of with team support if she's playing full time.
On May 05 2013 18:05 Skiblet wrote: Guys I don't know why some of you are trying to pretend that shes an aspiring player and Quantic objectively chose her based exclusively on her talent for Starcraft 2. They picked her up as a sort of....team mascot you could say. Like a lot of the Koreans do (eg. Startale Aphrodite) . Beautiful girl who is relatively good at the game. She can pull in some viewers on a stream, help extend the teams market to a more female audience (also helps promote esports to girls) and generally support the team.
Now then, if anyone has ANY other reason as to why she would be picked up, please reply to me, because as I see it this is 100% the reason.
On May 06 2013 01:17 Nerski wrote: In the end how good or bad this pick up is all relates to what they do with it. Obviously if she can improve to a true pro level she's useful in that respect. If she can't is she willing to be more of an Incontrol style personality for the team rather then a serious player? Won't take long to figure out what she's capable of with team support if she's playing full time.
Theres too many people making posts like this. Did you even read the OP? She didnt join Quantic proteam, she joined their academy where other HIGH MASTERS have alos been invited to join. Its a school to train players who they feel might have that special something and just need a bit of drive and top level talent to help. Stop saying shes the team mascot, or that they only want her for stream ratings.
Seriously its like no one understands whats in the OP.
On May 05 2013 18:05 Skiblet wrote: Guys I don't know why some of you are trying to pretend that shes an aspiring player and Quantic objectively chose her based exclusively on her talent for Starcraft 2. They picked her up as a sort of....team mascot you could say. Like a lot of the Koreans do (eg. Startale Aphrodite) . Beautiful girl who is relatively good at the game. She can pull in some viewers on a stream, help extend the teams market to a more female audience (also helps promote esports to girls) and generally support the team.
Now then, if anyone has ANY other reason as to why she would be picked up, please reply to me, because as I see it this is 100% the reason.
On May 06 2013 01:17 Nerski wrote: In the end how good or bad this pick up is all relates to what they do with it. Obviously if she can improve to a true pro level she's useful in that respect. If she can't is she willing to be more of an Incontrol style personality for the team rather then a serious player? Won't take long to figure out what she's capable of with team support if she's playing full time.
Theres too many people making posts like this. Did you even read the OP? She didnt join Quantic proteam, she joined their academy where other HIGH MASTERS have alos been invited to join. Its a school to train players who they feel might have that special something and just need a bit of drive and top level talent to help. Stop saying shes the team mascot, or that they only want her for stream ratings.
Seriously its like no one understands whats in the OP.
She's not high masters...Spyte is high masters and would destroy Kaitlyn.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
I think that was his point...
The reason she is picked up is essentially a sexist one... Most of the posts in this thread have been "pretty" ... WTF does that mean to her accomplishments? Did they just hire a pretty girl to showcase their team? Well the obvious answer is yes... Why is InControl still in EG? He is a funny, charismatic guy who sponsors their product as such; he even admits to not being the best player but he tries (which is admirable) but he, as well as us, know he is a marketing guy and if this is her role then fine but don't guise it as "training to be the best"... If you want that, start at top 50 GM, not high to middle tier masters, it's exhausting.
Anyone who disagrees with me be prepared to bring it to brawn because I see any pick up (as I mentioned earlier Flo) as an utter disrespect to women in general and only worsening the gap of sexism between society and the online community.
You should be given a chance based on results/skill and not on whether you have breasts that nerds find attractive, this is a disgusting disrespect to women and I apologize in advance to her if she ever reads this but if she can't see there are hundreds if not thousands of more deserving players and she's being picked up over them because she happens to be female then I don't know what else to say because, frankly, it's true and Quantic should feel the brunt of the community for hiring based on sexual desire of males and sexist notions rather then true talent and skill.
I want to live in a community where we see a girl brought onto a team and she happens to be top 10 GM and stomping everyone in sight... Not "plat/diamond/masters and trying their damnedest to improve!! <3 : D" because I'm trying my damnedest somedays and a lot of others are trying even harder but they get fucked because of this.
Sexism and inequality starts when you hand special treatment to one or the other gender, it's not an excuse to hire a male because he has a penis so it shouldn't be an excuse to hire a female because she has tits and gamers like them, skill should trump all and she lacks it.
Now you can argue perhaps that there aren't nearly as many females and she represents the best of the females out there (in the pool of pickups) to try and bolster the female scene but is it a good way to encourage them to basically say "well you don't really have to be good... Have a nice smile and get into mid-high masters and you'll make it!". That's a great shadow to put over all females trying to enter the scene, be a sexual symbol and mediocre and get in easier then everyone else...
You managed to be a sexist while insulting one of my favorite pro gamers. I think ignorant people like you should do any amount of research before posting. I`m not sure if incontrol is gm now, but in WOL he was consistently top 50. Not always, but consistently.
As for Kaitlynn, I`ll tell you what I told the other ignorant people. You don`t know why they picked her up. Your speculation just suits your sexist views.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
I think that was his point...
The reason she is picked up is essentially a sexist one... Most of the posts in this thread have been "pretty" ... WTF does that mean to her accomplishments? Did they just hire a pretty girl to showcase their team? Well the obvious answer is yes... Why is InControl still in EG? He is a funny, charismatic guy who sponsors their product as such; he even admits to not being the best player but he tries (which is admirable) but he, as well as us, know he is a marketing guy and if this is her role then fine but don't guise it as "training to be the best"... If you want that, start at top 50 GM, not high to middle tier masters, it's exhausting.
Anyone who disagrees with me be prepared to bring it to brawn because I see any pick up (as I mentioned earlier Flo) as an utter disrespect to women in general and only worsening the gap of sexism between society and the online community.
You should be given a chance based on results/skill and not on whether you have breasts that nerds find attractive, this is a disgusting disrespect to women and I apologize in advance to her if she ever reads this but if she can't see there are hundreds if not thousands of more deserving players and she's being picked up over them because she happens to be female then I don't know what else to say because, frankly, it's true and Quantic should feel the brunt of the community for hiring based on sexual desire of males and sexist notions rather then true talent and skill.
I want to live in a community where we see a girl brought onto a team and she happens to be top 10 GM and stomping everyone in sight... Not "plat/diamond/masters and trying their damnedest to improve!! <3 : D" because I'm trying my damnedest somedays and a lot of others are trying even harder but they get fucked because of this.
Sexism and inequality starts when you hand special treatment to one or the other gender, it's not an excuse to hire a male because he has a penis so it shouldn't be an excuse to hire a female because she has tits and gamers like them, skill should trump all and she lacks it.
Now you can argue perhaps that there aren't nearly as many females and she represents the best of the females out there (in the pool of pickups) to try and bolster the female scene but is it a good way to encourage them to basically say "well you don't really have to be good... Have a nice smile and get into mid-high masters and you'll make it!". That's a great shadow to put over all females trying to enter the scene, be a sexual symbol and mediocre and get in easier then everyone else...
You managed to be a sexist while insulting one of my favorite pro gamers. I think ignorant people like you should do any amount of research before posting. I`m not sure if incontrol is gm now, but in WOL he was consistently top 50. Not always, but consistently.
As for Kaitlynn, I`ll tell you what I told the other ignorant people. You don`t know why they picked her up. Your speculation just suits your sexist views.
The fanboyism is strong with this one...or just trolling..not sure , but no where was he sexist/insult Incontrol. He was basically stating true facts, teams that usually pick up females are for PR purposes, not in all cases but in most, not sexist at all. So not sure where you're coming from with these statements unless you're just trolling, in which case, good job of it ._.
OT: Congratz Quantic on the pickup and congratz to her as well! Hope it works out well for both parties.
On May 06 2013 00:10 7mk wrote: Yeah sorry you're right, but it's still something people should know about (and it's not like people can't offrace ) For example there is also a hacker with the account name liquidsnute
Sorry for the rude tone, no need for me to be that aggressive. Since cheaters/hackers have been recruitd by teams before it's not a bad idea to bring up the question.
This was brought up to me yesterday by a very famous sc2 anti-hacking detective who led to the capture of many famous hackers We've deduced that the Terran using Kaitlyn is in fact a known hacker named "Nerfy" and my player is innocent and clear of all charges for full details you may PM me if you wish.
On May 05 2013 03:42 trinxified wrote: If I may ask, why does someone get the privilege to join a pro-gaming team and only be in Masters league?
She's a young attractive female which will draw in viewers and attention to the team and therefore sponsors. I know nothing of her abilities, but this alone is reason for them to pick her up.
Looking right now I see she's got 400+ viewers which is more than Dragon has and I think he's GM on KR. Not the numbers stephano pulls, but views are views!
why does it draw in attention though? i personally have never understood it. Is there really that many virgins out there that want to see a pretty girl play a game they love? Are people generally lonely? i dont get it
Read the thread, your question is answered in there.
This was brought up to me yesterday by a very famous sc2 anti-hacking detective who led to the capture of many famous hackers We've deduced that the Terran using Kaitlyn is in fact a known hacker named "Nerfy" and my player is innocent and clear of all charges for full details you may PM me if you wish.
On May 05 2013 13:44 SoOJuuu wrote: Just an interesting thought me and a few engineering friends asked some (electrical) engineering questions in chat and she banned us. and her name on liquidpedia doesn't seem to bring up any school/engineering profiles on google.
Just saying a little fishy.
I agree. There's definitely something going on here. Is she actually Canadian? I haven't found records of her going to university nor her birth record. I don't think we should accept this one unless we get to see the long-form birth record. Unless I see credible, undisputable evidence that she's ever born, I'm going to assume she's a bot and that Quantic has just found a picture of a pretty girl on facebook and used that for publicity. I mean, why would they want to pick up a low Master's player (actually, she's only silver. I know that for a fact because I just made it up) when they could have picked up StarDust who's had much better results in GSL than she has or ever will have in any possible reality (I know this for a fact as well, because she's a girl, so she can never become good - and this is in no way a sexist comment). It's obvious that Quantic is just fishing for publicity with this facebook picture bot that sucks at SC2. Man, if I'd had female genitalia, I'd be the captain of any proteam I could ever wish for, because girls have totally taken over the entire esports world so that nothing depends on skill anymore.
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Good luck to her! I hope she tries to be active in tournaments and stuff. It's great that teams pick up promising female talent, but it's a shame that they're not that active in tournaments. But then again, perhaps that's because there aren't really that many open tournaments in North America...
I really like how she (a Canadian) calls Scarlett (another Canadian) her favourite foreigner. It actually tells a lot
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
I think that was his point...
The reason she is picked up is essentially a sexist one... Most of the posts in this thread have been "pretty" ... WTF does that mean to her accomplishments? Did they just hire a pretty girl to showcase their team? Well the obvious answer is yes... Why is InControl still in EG? He is a funny, charismatic guy who sponsors their product as such; he even admits to not being the best player but he tries (which is admirable) but he, as well as us, know he is a marketing guy and if this is her role then fine but don't guise it as "training to be the best"... If you want that, start at top 50 GM, not high to middle tier masters, it's exhausting.
Anyone who disagrees with me be prepared to bring it to brawn because I see any pick up (as I mentioned earlier Flo) as an utter disrespect to women in general and only worsening the gap of sexism between society and the online community.
You should be given a chance based on results/skill and not on whether you have breasts that nerds find attractive, this is a disgusting disrespect to women and I apologize in advance to her if she ever reads this but if she can't see there are hundreds if not thousands of more deserving players and she's being picked up over them because she happens to be female then I don't know what else to say because, frankly, it's true and Quantic should feel the brunt of the community for hiring based on sexual desire of males and sexist notions rather then true talent and skill.
I want to live in a community where we see a girl brought onto a team and she happens to be top 10 GM and stomping everyone in sight... Not "plat/diamond/masters and trying their damnedest to improve!! <3 : D" because I'm trying my damnedest somedays and a lot of others are trying even harder but they get fucked because of this.
Sexism and inequality starts when you hand special treatment to one or the other gender, it's not an excuse to hire a male because he has a penis so it shouldn't be an excuse to hire a female because she has tits and gamers like them, skill should trump all and she lacks it.
Now you can argue perhaps that there aren't nearly as many females and she represents the best of the females out there (in the pool of pickups) to try and bolster the female scene but is it a good way to encourage them to basically say "well you don't really have to be good... Have a nice smile and get into mid-high masters and you'll make it!". That's a great shadow to put over all females trying to enter the scene, be a sexual symbol and mediocre and get in easier then everyone else...
You managed to be a sexist while insulting one of my favorite pro gamers. I think ignorant people like you should do any amount of research before posting. I`m not sure if incontrol is gm now, but in WOL he was consistently top 50. Not always, but consistently.
As for Kaitlynn, I`ll tell you what I told the other ignorant people. You don`t know why they picked her up. Your speculation just suits your sexist views.
Excuse me? I can find quotations if you'd like of InControl stating that he was never comparable among the best of the best ... He stated very clearly he is the marketing guy, he sponsors his team and he loves his job but he never really got good enough at the game as he wanted to.
Secondly before you dare insinuate im sexist do go on to explain to me how I am so, is it equality that she was chosen over hundreds if not thousands of other males who deserve position over her if not just on a skill basis? Is this what you call equality because she's your 'favorite'?
Before you start flailing words and deciding they have any merit do explain your position clearer then 2 paragraphs and calling me ignorant, firstly because ignorance is a lack of knowledge (unless you're using it as uneducated which I'll be adoring the explanation as to how that is) such that you were using it as a misnomer and secondly because you're blatantly wrong, give us your theory as to why she was picked up if not for her attraction and do tell me that the pages are not littered with "pretty girl"/"attractive"/"good looking" as if this holds any merit over a players ability to be signed, but wait she's a female, seems acceptable to look at her as an object..
Your only argument was that Geoff was top 50 GM (might need a stats check, I remember in NA he was in GM but top 50? and in KR he was never GM if I recall correctly) and that had nothing to do with ANYTHING or any case I might have made against the signing of this player who is at best mid masters. Also as an edit, I hold the highest respect for Geoff as both a player and a person and I'm not afraid to say it (nor would I be haha). He's the reason I watched SotG and the reason I stopped, he is why I'm so engrossed in RollPlay and why I watch EG tournaments even though I personally never really enjoyed their matches, he's why I own EG sponsored gear. In no way did I ever insult or disrespect someone who I fairly likely idolize as an individual for how many hours he puts in to keep a float an industry that is always on the fault line of an apparent approaching earthquake to set it off the scales. Let's not mistake honesty for insulting please.
If you think equality starts and stops in hiring girls for their 'personality' and never for their skill (as I said with the exception of Scarlett) then I fear you either A) think girls will never be as good as guys at games so they deserve 'special treatment' which in itself is inequality or B) somehow have the delusion they hired her for her 'skill' as a mediocre mid masters player that will one day rise to the top and beat Flash without proving herself against mediocre NA players on a mediocre ladder.
On May 05 2013 12:12 Hitch-22 wrote: I wonder how many GM players sitting in the top 50 read this and think "If only I had other sexual appendages"... I apologize but as a gamer the idea of "equality" indicates that you're judged on your skill and not on your having a penis or not... It's just disrespectful to all of the gamers above her who are stuck slaving away, it was the same with Flo.
I guess this is just my opinion however, we all think differently but I just wish people got judged on their accomplishments and not because it's a fad to have girls on the team. Girls should get the same chances as guys, which frankly, means they should be the same skill.
Well, essentially this.
Doesn't make Hitch and I sexist, in fact we're for genuine meritocracy. It also pisses me off that derogatory comments towards females gets people jumped all over over, but comments such as 'you're so pretty' which are equivalently patronising and sexist are tolerated.
That said, also we're under the assumption she is being picked up for some kind of playing capacity, when Quantic may have something very different in mind.
Since when has any professional sport ever been a pure meritocracy? Or professional anything, for that matter.
I think that was his point...
The reason she is picked up is essentially a sexist one... Most of the posts in this thread have been "pretty" ... WTF does that mean to her accomplishments? Did they just hire a pretty girl to showcase their team? Well the obvious answer is yes... Why is InControl still in EG? He is a funny, charismatic guy who sponsors their product as such; he even admits to not being the best player but he tries (which is admirable) but he, as well as us, know he is a marketing guy and if this is her role then fine but don't guise it as "training to be the best"... If you want that, start at top 50 GM, not high to middle tier masters, it's exhausting.
Anyone who disagrees with me be prepared to bring it to brawn because I see any pick up (as I mentioned earlier Flo) as an utter disrespect to women in general and only worsening the gap of sexism between society and the online community.
You should be given a chance based on results/skill and not on whether you have breasts that nerds find attractive, this is a disgusting disrespect to women and I apologize in advance to her if she ever reads this but if she can't see there are hundreds if not thousands of more deserving players and she's being picked up over them because she happens to be female then I don't know what else to say because, frankly, it's true and Quantic should feel the brunt of the community for hiring based on sexual desire of males and sexist notions rather then true talent and skill.
I want to live in a community where we see a girl brought onto a team and she happens to be top 10 GM and stomping everyone in sight... Not "plat/diamond/masters and trying their damnedest to improve!! <3 : D" because I'm trying my damnedest somedays and a lot of others are trying even harder but they get fucked because of this.
Sexism and inequality starts when you hand special treatment to one or the other gender, it's not an excuse to hire a male because he has a penis so it shouldn't be an excuse to hire a female because she has tits and gamers like them, skill should trump all and she lacks it.
Now you can argue perhaps that there aren't nearly as many females and she represents the best of the females out there (in the pool of pickups) to try and bolster the female scene but is it a good way to encourage them to basically say "well you don't really have to be good... Have a nice smile and get into mid-high masters and you'll make it!". That's a great shadow to put over all females trying to enter the scene, be a sexual symbol and mediocre and get in easier then everyone else...
You managed to be a sexist while insulting one of my favorite pro gamers. I think ignorant people like you should do any amount of research before posting. I`m not sure if incontrol is gm now, but in WOL he was consistently top 50. Not always, but consistently.
As for Kaitlynn, I`ll tell you what I told the other ignorant people. You don`t know why they picked her up. Your speculation just suits your sexist views.
The fanboyism is strong with this one...or just trolling..not sure , but no where was he sexist/insult Incontrol. He was basically stating true facts, teams that usually pick up females are for PR purposes, not in all cases but in most, not sexist at all. So not sure where you're coming from with these statements unless you're just trolling, in which case, good job of it ._.
OT: Congratz Quantic on the pickup and congratz to her as well! Hope it works out well for both parties.
Glad someone else thought that as well, I re-read to clarify but somedays I feel like I'm the only real feminist that exists... I argue for equality, not subjectivity and special treatment, girls don't need me to be their hero or hold their hand nor do they need special get ins for team's to PR for them... It's like that thread that just opened up where a girl always wears high tailored shirts because everytime people comment in the 'comments' about her breasts... This is what we have with females in the industry, this illusion that they're there for us to gawk and fap too when they deserve the same respect we give males, they deserve equality and not subjectivity, no matter how flowery and kind it looks... She is being given special treatment, it's time we realize this hurts female progression in the industry.
Added a spoiler, in reflection and a discussion with someone I've not so much as changed my opinions as I have thought perhaps this isn't the right avenue for discussion regarding them although I will admit I feel some sway. This will be the last post I make in reference to sexism however in this thread.
It's just insane to me how some people will argue foreign pros need their own protected tournaments and prize money and should generally receive more support than koreans at the same skill level on the one hand, and then be upset if teams do more for women who want to play at a high level.
For those who say there is no canadian female zerg... cmon! are you serious?! one hint, her ID start with S and end with T
now about kaitlyn, im very glad she enjoyed BW and is in masters, i just hope she doesn become the "quantics pet" something like slayers, i DONT WANT by any means insult her or something like that, i just hoping that she will take this seriously and dont be fooling around relaying on the fact that shes a woman
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We've deduced that the Terran using Kaitlyn is in fact a known hacker named "Nerfy" and my player is innocent and clear of all charges for full details you may PM me if you wish.
