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govie
9334 Posts
On May 02 2013 20:22 werynais wrote: If the fans want to give money go exploit it, FUNDRAIS4ROOT ! Indeed, but i believe if they would have created more value for the fans, they would have had alot more too to exelerate there progress  | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
we want more dan rather, less TMZ | ||
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
On May 02 2013 11:46 Assirra wrote: People have the right to do with their money what they dam well please and you have absolutely no right to tell them otherwise. At least they don't spend their money into war and killing people.............................. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On May 02 2013 20:31 govie wrote: Indeed, but i believe if they would have created more value for the fans, they would have had alot more too to exelerate there progress Sorry, i was being sarcastic  | ||
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llIH
Norway2142 Posts
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Scarlett`
China2371 Posts
On May 02 2013 19:29 QuackPocketDuck wrote: Everyone spends their money as they wish whats there to discuss? Who is Richard anyway? A troll who takes himself seriously | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
I think, in technical terms, that's referred to as a "douchebag" or possibly "asshat". Though for some reason your definition also makes me think of Prenda Law. (Damn you Popehat.) | ||
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
The audience can do what they will with their money, they earned it. People who question the ethics of this type of practice will be the type of people that question what you spent your extra pennies on at the store. "Until the fans get wise to what this is e-sports can’t be professional. Professionals earn their living, it’s not given to them. Anything else is just garbage." This sounds like sour grapes. Also I feel inclined to point out, it should be "Until the fan's get wise to what this is, esports will never be professional." But hey, who am I to critique this masterpiece of journalism. Just because the article is filled with grammatical errors, baiting, hearsay, from a "Journalist" that is picking at the scraps of an industry filled with people trying to make a name for themselves. This guy comes off as such a jelly dude in the whole article. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
On May 02 2013 23:06 Douillos wrote: IIRC you would get something (T-shit, visit @ game house, etc.) if you donated, so this article doesn't make any sense, it's like pre-ordering (and is just how kick start, etc. work, and anybody who is against that should be shot). Shot? That's fucked up. I was about to agree with you but dude, no. | ||
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Mormel
Netherlands57 Posts
Learn 2 esports history pls. Richard Lewis is one of the most respected eSports journalist out there. And you don't even remember being interviewed by him a month ago!? | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
"Because we don't believe in it, someone else who does shouldn't be allowed to do it". Free market.. If the product is a dud, people don't buy it. Obviously Roots passion and drive to have a gaming house in the bay area is a strong product. Otherwise the masses wouldn't have bought into it. Why its an argument is beyond me. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:14 Heartscry wrote: With all due respect many of us have read both the Kickstarter and the article. It has simply been suggested that if they couldn't raise the finance for initial deposits, it ostensibly doesn't bode well for them being financially self sufficient in the future. Further to your suggestion that " Catz has stated they have the revenue to be able to sustain it after that", it rather raises the question that if they are in rude financial health and could, possibly, raise the $25k themselves, is it sound business ethics to ask for donations? Future revenue, if it is consistent and evidenced, can be borrowed against to raise lump sum finance. In british football clubs regularly borrow against future season ticket revenue, tv money, etc. Has this option been explored? If so, why was it ruled out? With these lump sum finance options still available, why do you think Pompey, Exeter, and Wimbledon are owned by a fan trust right now? Or why Manchester United Fan Trust is often known as Shareholders United? How about Swansea City with a 20% fan ownership, only 2.5% less than the Morgans who owns the most in shares? Oh and if ROOT is to be criticized, how about the tale of Jeffery Loria? | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
The gaming house bubble burst last year, when even organizations like Quantic and Complexity realized that it's just not worth the investment. It costs a TON of money, and doesn't automagically put your team or players in the spotlight, or make them better. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
2.6 Billion gets to be paid off through a special tax around miami/dade county to keep the team there. What do the fans paying that 2.6 billion get? Nada zip zero ziltch...other then if they like the team the team didn't leave. If they didn't like the team they were in the minority so they get to pay anyways. At least in the case of Root nobody extorted the fans by threatening to shut down / leave if they didn't give them a new house (stadium in marlins example). Nor did Root force EG/Axiom/Liquid fans through a tax to pay for their house just because they live where the Root house will be (tax in dade county to pay off the 2.6). | ||
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McDrizzle
United States131 Posts
On May 03 2013 01:24 Nerski wrote: The Florida marlins are a great example of 'crowd funding' in pro sports gone somewhat wrong....team was thinking of leaving unless they got a new stadium. Fans obviously don't want that to happen sooo. Thats funny because the old stadium was pretty much empty for the most part. I would of thought the fans wouldnt care about that stuff. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On May 03 2013 01:10 dizzy101 wrote: Well, he is correct in that Root should not, and realistically cannot, move into a gaming house. It would be a complete wrong priority. It would be 100% mismanagement. The gaming house bubble burst last year, when even organizations like Quantic and Complexity realized that it's just not worth the investment. It costs a TON of money, and doesn't automagically put your team or players in the spotlight, or make them better. It is what you make of it. You need to have proper content coming out of it. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:14 Mormel wrote: Learn 2 esports history pls. Richard Lewis is one of the most respected eSports journalist out there. And you don't even remember being interviewed by him a month ago!? ... not actually Scarlett. | ||
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