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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 23:06 GMT
#61
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 24 2013 23:07 GMT
#62
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.


They did get away with it. Pitchforks and bad PR means nearly nothing in the SC2 scene because
1) There are very few major tournaments (think Oligopoly or arguably Monopoly for this WCS), and
2) The community has this "Support eSports!" mentality so that they continue to support products and tournaments even when the quality is subpar and/or poorly administrated.
3) The community has a notoriously short collective memory

While inviting the screwed over players from the Premier qualifier is a good step, MLG still really fucked up the Premier qualifiers. After a few days, the community will forget and MLG will have gotten away from this fiasco by a few invites to the Challenger division and a half-assed apology from Sundance
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
April 24 2013 23:22 GMT
#63
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


They could make the first Season of PremierLeague bigger and hold a new Qualifier for these spots. After this they could let more people drop down from Premier to Challenger so for Season2/3 it is at the amount of Players they wanted it to be.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 23:24:30
April 24 2013 23:23 GMT
#64
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
April 24 2013 23:35 GMT
#65
On April 25 2013 07:03 alvadr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol

Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn


Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?


Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.
Bleh.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 23:43 GMT
#66
On April 25 2013 08:23 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said


There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.

This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 24 2013 23:43 GMT
#67
On April 25 2013 08:35 Mallidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:03 alvadr wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol

Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn


Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?


Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.

I also think events get grandfathered in if they had their date set prior to the current WCS.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
April 24 2013 23:45 GMT
#68
On April 25 2013 08:35 Mallidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:03 alvadr wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol

Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn


Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?


Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.


Good guys MLG making room for any kind of tournament by not broadcasting the open challenger qualifier live......
JacobDaKung
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Sweden132 Posts
April 24 2013 23:45 GMT
#69
On April 25 2013 08:35 Mallidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 07:03 alvadr wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol

Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn


Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?


Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.

Could this be circumvented by not having a broadcast only the qualifier during dh?
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
April 24 2013 23:45 GMT
#70
On April 25 2013 08:06 Ercster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:05 Enders116 wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:41 iNcontroL wrote:
I'm I screwed because I am hosting DH at the same time?

Can I cast DH in Chinese?

Can you do it in song?

If you can help my facebook and weibo get 5,000+ followers, I'll sing this silly song:

Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 24 2013 23:47 GMT
#71
On April 25 2013 08:23 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said


No I think we should shit on MLG and burn them to the ground instead of offering ideas like this. This injustice to the Chinese players calls for the death of MLG.
bacoatc
Profile Joined November 2011
El Salvador26 Posts
April 25 2013 00:48 GMT
#72
im top master but eu server is possible participate NA server the problem is i dont have league on NA server
Never give up,just dream big and believe in yourself
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 25 2013 00:49 GMT
#73
On April 25 2013 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:23 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
MLG has released details on the WCS NA Challenger Qualifier. The Chinese players who did not get in before will be granted entry.


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said


There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.

This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.


Imagine this

- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS
- goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there
- doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality
- registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time
- Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"

still fine?
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 00:56:03
April 25 2013 00:50 GMT
#74
On April 25 2013 08:43 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:35 Mallidon wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:03 alvadr wrote:
On April 25 2013 06:57 Prplppleatr wrote:
And now the qualifier still clashes with DH, lol

Although, it is a start to showing some change...hopefully they continue to learn


Didn't Blizzard say you can't broadcast a non-wcs event while a WCS event is live?


Screw Blizzard, Dreamhacks been planned for ages.

I also think events get grandfathered in if they had their date set prior to the current WCS.


I would think so tbh.

I mean otherwise Blizzard are like some crazy bunch who would try and force their will onto other people at the last moment when they had no real right to... Oh wait lol...

At the end of the day though, I'd much rather WCS America gets shunted to the side than Dreamhack, no offence to the Americas guys or WCS or whatever, but that's just the way it is for me and many people I'd imagine.

On April 25 2013 09:49 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:43 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 08:23 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
[quote]


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said


There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.

This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.


Imagine this

- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS
- goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there
- doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality
- registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time
- Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"

still fine?


Wow you just summed that up pretty well tbh.

I wouldn't blame MLG (although they made some pretty glaring mistakes) as much for this as whoever decided this stupid new WCS format. It's funny because there was a poll about it asking people if they thought it was good and most people voted that it was brilliant... It was somewhere on TL. I voted that I didn't like it much and seems I'm happier with my vote than I bet a lot of people are now...
Bleh.
Wpgstevo
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada79 Posts
April 25 2013 00:51 GMT
#75
I find it very odd how quickly the pitchforks came out after MLG for the way the last event unfolded. Such negative reactions from fans might prompt a response from the organizers, but certainly the negativity can't be good for the scene as a whole.

I really respect the way the Chinese handled themselves here. This is a good example for all the reactionary, pitchfork wielding community members. Mistakes were made, and instead of being counterproductive by scolding MLG and Sundance in particular like a child, they approached the situation by communicating how it affected them and wanted to work to a solution both parties could live with.

I really enjoy MLG events, and we need to give our leagues more credit and understanding. These guys are not evil or incompetent - they are human and want to do the best job possible with available resources. I personally love the job they do and their desire to give those who got the short end of the stick a second chance shows they too want the best league possible.

Thanks for doing what you do, MLG!
bongling
Profile Joined March 2013
41 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 01:03:30
April 25 2013 01:02 GMT
#76
i should read things more closely
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
April 25 2013 01:20 GMT
#77
On April 25 2013 09:49 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 08:43 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 08:23 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 08:06 Plansix wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:55 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:51 Zenbrez wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:47 Fenrax wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

On April 25 2013 06:48 heyoka wrote:
[quote]


Holy fuck wow! Korean top10 GM progamer and the WCS China champ ALLOWED into the CHALLENGER QUALIFIER!



Yeah let's hate and shit on them, that's a positive contribution to the community there bud lol.


What else? Let MLG get away with it? That helps much less because this incident might severely damage SC2 for China - I don't think anyone could fault a Chinese gamer for switching to a different game after this. This isn't a stupid outrage over some chat citation or a bad stream, the pitchforks would actually be justified.

They're not getting away with anything. Pitchforks were brought out, they acknowledged their mistakes, and are making changes. What do you want them to do, go back in time? They learned and are making adjustments. Now stop acting like a child.

You can talk easy, you weren't screwed. They should make amends, not just adjustments. Either monetary or in form of seeds.


I'm not really sure what else they could do without screwing over other people as well. There are players who went through that qualifier and didn't do anything wrong and they shouldn't be seeding players over those players. They aren't going to pay out money and expecting them to do so is a little much.


ideas from the top of my head

- reserve two seeds for next season's Premier League exclusively for Chinese players (not sure if this is still possible, but GSL always had their two sponsored seeds), let them battle for it
- give two seeds and flights to the next MLG to Chinese players, let them battle for it
- that what Semmel said


There were nearly 500 other people who didn't get to play in the qualifier as well and they aren't getting anything. Seeds are bad and deprive other players of slots in the event. They can't add slots because it messes with the point system. Slots at MLG aren't really fair to other player who go through the open bracket, since they may be the same players who didn't get to play in WCS due to registering to late.

This solution is fine and addresses the issue without screwing over more players. It gives the Chinese players what they want, which is to play SC2 in WCS.


Imagine this

- Idra/Huk/Stephano (your favorite player) wins his home country WCS
- goes to Korea, trains like mad, becomes top10 GM there
- doesn't get a seed into anything in Korea because of his nationality
- registers for a (fictional) Code S qualifier, does everything in time
- Gom TV releases statement "sry only slots for 500 people, come back in 4 months for next qualifiers, maybe we have more slots then, please buy our product to support Esports"

still fine?
So the mentioned players don't have a region? In that case did they sign up on time? If they didn't, It is there mistake. No issue with it.
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Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 01:41:38
April 25 2013 01:41 GMT
#78
On April 25 2013 07:41 Enders116 wrote:
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Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.

He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.

This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
April 25 2013 01:53 GMT
#79
On April 25 2013 07:32 Fenrax wrote:
MLG decides to sit it out. Worst tournament organizer ever, give NASL the qualifier. Don't EVER buy anything from these assholes. Shit on them wherever you can.

You should make that your sig. In fact everyone should.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:32:21
April 25 2013 02:32 GMT
#80
Gold players in the premier league qualifier and only Masters above in Challenger League qualifier, great, which one is more "Premier" now?

On April 25 2013 10:41 Weirdkid wrote:
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On April 25 2013 07:41 Enders116 wrote:
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[image loading]


Comm is saying that he is considering whether or not he should enter the 64 man tournament that is going on in June as opposed to this one.

He has not officially decided whether or not he will be participating yet.

This makes me a bit worried for Comm. Even though the information in this chatlog isn't very complete, it seems like he might not really understand the WCS system properly. He seems to think that there's a preliminary tournament for the premier league next season (though it's not explicitly stated in the chatlog so I can't be sure), which there isn't. He also talks about a Ro64 in this season, which as far as I know doesn't exist.

I'll see if I can talk to him about the tournament system later.
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