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vult
United States9400 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:44 caradoc wrote: Well, MLG became the 6th most searched item on that Korean webcrawler, so I think talking about MLG stream numbers, especially SC2 vs. LoL is relevant. Comparing stream viewers between SC2 and LoL is never relevant, nor constructive. | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iGLGFKp.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sM569VM.jpg) Ultimately though I doubt that SC2 is ever going to be as popular as BW was here in Korea. The initial SC2 launch was rough due to various reasons and in that chaos other games stepped in and filled the gaps that were missing in terms of esports popularity. I'm not just talking LoL either. Other games like Sudden Attack, etc have their fan bases too. I do think though that people care too much about SC2's popularity in Korea. Think about how MLG did this last weekend in viewer numbers. We've had huge turnouts for EU events recently too. At the end of the day we need to realize that Korea's a pretty small part of the SC2 fan base overall and we don't necessarily need the game to be wildly popular here to have it be successful elsewhere. So don't worry about it too much. TLDR: SC2 isn't as huge in Korea as we'd like yet, but it actually doesn't matter as much as people think it does in the grand scheme of things. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:43 MCXD wrote: I'm pretty sure LoL is more popular because it's free and that's it. Reading into stuff like the KeSPA vs. GOM thing or Koreans apparently hating SC2's gameplay is silly, putting words into people's mouths, and overcomplicating it. Korea is one of the capitals of free to play. Why else do you think hundreds of those FTP anime MMOs come out of Korea each year, specifically? They just lap it up. LoL is good and free, therefore it's extremely successful. SC2 is good but not free, so it's not. It's also cheaper for the PC Bangs as well, so it's more widely available. Can you name any other non-FTP e-sports that are massive in korea? I can't. The cost is a much bigger issue than the gameplay, and it always will be to koreans. Idk man, diablo 3 is on that list. And it's not really free... | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On March 19 2013 08:23 Fionn wrote: It's out of the top 10 currently. But MLG was one of the most searched items on Naver yesterday. I think we'll see how big HotS is or the excitement for it is on the night the Gangnam GOM studios open. See how many people show up for that. god i can't wait til tastosis' first hots cast | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:46 vultdylan wrote: Comparing stream viewers between SC2 and LoL is never relevant, nor constructive. It doesn't have to be discussed in a non-constructive way. E.G. -We know that LoL is huge based on a lot of different evidence. -We know that MLG was huge in S.Korea because of web search rankings -We know that LoL and SC2 received comparable stream numbers in Korea we can be reasonably sure then that sc2 is at least right now, receiving at least a comparable amount of hype as LoL -- that's interesting. There are lots of reasons this line of reasoning may be flawed in specifics, but it paints a broad picture, and that's fine. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 19 2013 08:23 Fionn wrote: It's out of the top 10 currently. But MLG was one of the most searched items on Naver yesterday. I think we'll see how big HotS is or the excitement for it is on the night the Gangnam GOM studios open. See how many people show up for that. When is that? I might go and check. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
I'm kind of surprised. D3 in South Korea doesn't even have RMAH either (so there isn't much point to grind or farm once you completed Inferno IMO compared to versions with RMAH where you can make a few dollars while playing). | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote: The problem with the PC Bang demographic is that it's a group that's already paying fees just to use the machine, and the PC Bangs themselves don't want to pay more than they have to when installing games. Hence why the most popular games will always be F2P (like LoL) or require a single disc for install and no further payments. The exception being MMORPGs, namely the ones that have the "addictive" gameplay mechanics and require almost daily interaction from players. SC2 isn't on TV. Proleague/OSL is on OnGameNet, 2 times a week, cable television. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:42 WolfintheSheep wrote: The problem with the PC Bang demographic is that it's a group that's already paying fees just to use the machine, and the PC Bangs themselves don't want to pay more than they have to when installing games. Hence why the most popular games will always be F2P (like LoL) or require a single disc for install and no further payments. The exception being MMORPGs, namely the ones that have the "addictive" gameplay mechanics and require almost daily interaction from players. SC2 isn't on TV. Proleague is on TV. | ||
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kskusanagi
Korea (South)133 Posts
From multiple discussion with my Korean coworkers playing BW, i'd say that they are interested mildly in SC2, that Hots bringing new units makes it's cool but not as attractive (and they still want the lurker back! by the way). Maybe they are just not eager to learn the game again. Korean players of SC2 Hots/wol are a new generations apparently... | ||
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NHL Fever
Canada104 Posts
Everything Destiny said is still true. Some of the problems he talked about have been fixed, and consequently more people are interested. Hopefully they continue to improve. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote: I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs. SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. Can somebody explain why that is? Maybe not "social" enough? Like you don't go to play SC2 in a PC Bang to play with your buddy. Technical requirements? I don't really know how PC Bangs work :p | ||
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Geos13
437 Posts
On March 19 2013 11:04 Fionn wrote: If you're going to buy HotS, I see no advantages for people to go out to be PC Bangs and play. It's not like LoL where you and your friends can go to a PC Bangs, set up some team games and play right next to each other. My Canadian friends and I go out to the local internet cafe to play SC2 together fairly often. It is a little expensive but it turns it into a far more fun social experience. | ||
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rice_devOurer
United States773 Posts
On March 19 2013 11:08 ZenithM wrote: Can somebody explain why that is? Maybe not "social" enough? Like you don't go to play SC2 in a PC Bang to play with your buddy. Technical requirements? I don't really know how PC Bangs work :p Probably because BW was virtually free and sc2 isn't. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On March 19 2013 11:08 ZenithM wrote: Can somebody explain why that is? Maybe not "social" enough? Like you don't go to play SC2 in a PC Bang to play with your buddy. Technical requirements? I don't really know how PC Bangs work :p SC2 isn't free and the custom game system is still somehow inferior to a 10+ year old game. Custom games are where BW on a casual level really took off. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
SC2 doesn't really offer that because the main attraction of SC2 is the 1v1. Let's say you go as a group of 5 to a PC Bang or so, you would want to play a game where everyone can play with each other together at the same time. SC2 can't offer that while LoL, Sudden Attack, MMOs can. In wc3 and bw, this problem was alleviated because of the good custom games. But now these custom games have become a fully supported game with developers supports. Not sure if SC2 can still make a comeback even if the custom games are improved. The map editor, bnet and map creators really have to make something very engaging for SC2 to ever be popular in PC Bangs imo. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On March 19 2013 11:24 Scarecrow wrote: SC2 isn't free and the custom game system is still somehow inferior to a 10+ year old game. Custom games are where BW on a casual level really took off. People should really stop suggesting the cause of SC2's unpopularity is not good custom game system. And people need to stop suggesting BW's rise is because of its awesome custom game system 10 years ago, there were just not that many options for gaming while now you really don't need to play the SC2 custom games for causality. Even if the SC2's custom game system is more awesome than BW, it still will not generate its popularity from custom games. The gaming industry changed, deal with it. | ||
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