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Humfluxx
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden47 Posts
February 22 2013 17:44 GMT
#181
Abs. SICK! #nerdchills
MMM
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
February 23 2013 00:41 GMT
#182
On February 18 2013 13:58 JunkkaGom wrote:
No mention of Fruitdealer?
Also GSL finals between Genius and DRG had about 5,000 live spectators.
GSL is Starcraft only tournament



Thanks for clarifying. A lot of people thought this might be true, but its nice to have an authority figure set us straight.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 01:13:32
February 23 2013 00:57 GMT
#183
I see so much bias and missing stuff in the OP :D
Fruitdealer, nestea's perfect run, IS2, stephano everywhere, mc as the first protoss to win a gsl, ...

But still a nice read !
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
February 23 2013 01:17 GMT
#184
Cool post.

SC2 is no way near being the best RTS of all time though
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
February 23 2013 01:39 GMT
#185
If we take MVP, and then compare the tournament structure of sc2 compared to sc:bw, then he was actually way more dominant than most of the bonjwas. There was way fewer tournaments in sc:bw than sc2 in comparrisson and the timespan is also way different, so if anything, Mvp is certainly more of a bonjwa than say iloveoov, who probably had the least dominating era out of the 5 in sc:bw. If we aslo take money into consideration we will see that SK.MC has earned more, but almost 100k came about 3 months before the rise of Mvp, in a seperate year, where the average winning prize of a GSL was at 87k for 1st place and not 43k as Mvp won whenever he emerged champion of a GSL.

MvP has won 10 vs the 7 major championships of MC, and has been over a shorter period of time, so while nothing is certain, as the term of being a bonjwa needs radical changes to fit into the tournament style of SC2, MvP is certainly a bonjwa and has overall dominated completely the scene in WOL. Everytime someone has beaten him in a bo5 or more, it has been seen has a miracle, I mean, who can compete with that?
Hell, it's about time
alan133
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia159 Posts
February 23 2013 02:24 GMT
#186
On February 17 2013 01:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 01:26 thezanursic wrote:
I don't think Eve deserves to be on the list...


Well it's not a list of "skilled players winning tournaments", but rather various interesting benchmarks and achievements. As stated in the OP (and as you should know if you've been around here for a while) she was the first actual female pro-gamer, you know, signed with a legit team (a huge team at the time, to boot). It doesn't matter that she was perhaps inferior to players like Aphrodite or Flo at the time, or even thousands of male pro-gamers, semi-pro-gamers and casual Master league players, she's there because she was the first female signing.

Should this matter? That's not up to your or I to decide, but rather the community as a whole.


What happened to ToSsGirL
Xunaka
Profile Joined April 2010
United States43 Posts
February 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#187
On February 23 2013 10:39 Cinim wrote:
If we take MVP, and then compare the tournament structure of sc2 compared to sc:bw, then he was actually way more dominant than most of the bonjwas. There was way fewer tournaments in sc:bw than sc2 in comparrisson and the timespan is also way different, so if anything, Mvp is certainly more of a bonjwa than say iloveoov, who probably had the least dominating era out of the 5 in sc:bw. If we aslo take money into consideration we will see that SK.MC has earned more, but almost 100k came about 3 months before the rise of Mvp, in a seperate year, where the average winning prize of a GSL was at 87k for 1st place and not 43k as Mvp won whenever he emerged champion of a GSL.

MvP has won 10 vs the 7 major championships of MC, and has been over a shorter period of time, so while nothing is certain, as the term of being a bonjwa needs radical changes to fit into the tournament style of SC2, MvP is certainly a bonjwa and has overall dominated completely the scene in WOL. Everytime someone has beaten him in a bo5 or more, it has been seen has a miracle, I mean, who can compete with that?



Tournament wins in SC2 do not = winning an OSL or MSL, and it doesn't even take into affect proleague stats. I don't think a lot of people understand what Bonjwa represents or means. IMO people were quick to jump the gun calling Flash one and he is arguably one of the greatest BW players to ever exist.
Alfalfa
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada26 Posts
February 25 2013 03:08 GMT
#188
Wow then end of the video is soooo good!
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
February 27 2013 05:58 GMT
#189
Who is the girl standing next to DRG in the picture where Life is hoisting his trophy?
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
February 27 2013 13:04 GMT
#190
I know you gotta blow the horn of your own former player and all but wasn't the first major foreign win over Korean competition Thorzain in TSL3?
Hadley88
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany267 Posts
February 27 2013 13:17 GMT
#191
On February 27 2013 14:58 Pasargadae wrote:
Who is the girl standing next to DRG in the picture where Life is hoisting his trophy?


The translator...
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
February 27 2013 13:36 GMT
#192
On February 23 2013 10:17 Elroi wrote:
Cool post.

SC2 is no way near being the best RTS of all time though


What is better than SC2 other than BW?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 27 2013 13:52 GMT
#193
On February 27 2013 22:04 Evangelist wrote:
I know you gotta blow the horn of your own former player and all but wasn't the first major foreign win over Korean competition Thorzain in TSL3?

Well, teeeeechnically, Naama beat oGsTOP at DreamHack Winter 2010 and won the whole thing.
Orzabal
Profile Joined December 2009
France287 Posts
February 27 2013 17:30 GMT
#194
On February 27 2013 22:36 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2013 10:17 Elroi wrote:
Cool post.

SC2 is no way near being the best RTS of all time though


What is better than SC2 other than BW?


Why do you ask, he is refering to BW.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 27 2013 17:35 GMT
#195
On February 23 2013 10:17 Elroi wrote:
Cool post.

SC2 is no way near being the best RTS of all time though

It is called hyperbole. do you people whine as much about commercials every time they say something like that?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 17:37:30
February 27 2013 17:37 GMT
#196
silly double post
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
February 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#197
On February 23 2013 10:39 Cinim wrote:
If we take MVP, and then compare the tournament structure of sc2 compared to sc:bw, then he was actually way more dominant than most of the bonjwas. There was way fewer tournaments in sc:bw than sc2 in comparrisson and the timespan is also way different, so if anything, Mvp is certainly more of a bonjwa than say iloveoov, who probably had the least dominating era out of the 5 in sc:bw. If we aslo take money into consideration we will see that SK.MC has earned more, but almost 100k came about 3 months before the rise of Mvp, in a seperate year, where the average winning prize of a GSL was at 87k for 1st place and not 43k as Mvp won whenever he emerged champion of a GSL.

MvP has won 10 vs the 7 major championships of MC, and has been over a shorter period of time, so while nothing is certain, as the term of being a bonjwa needs radical changes to fit into the tournament style of SC2, MvP is certainly a bonjwa and has overall dominated completely the scene in WOL. Everytime someone has beaten him in a bo5 or more, it has been seen has a miracle, I mean, who can compete with that?


Please don't talk shit about based oov who has NEVER lost in OSL/MSL finals. 5/5 appearances so have some respect.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
March 04 2013 05:27 GMT
#198
On February 27 2013 22:36 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2013 10:17 Elroi wrote:
Cool post.

SC2 is no way near being the best RTS of all time though


What is better than SC2 other than BW?


I'd also put war3 tft above it personally. Both BW and tft are more enjoyable to play and to watch imo.
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